you guys should consider a lease to own option....I think alot of people would love that...thoughts?

Mike - That is something we do consider seriously. Maybe I should do a poll on that to see what the community thinks?

:question

:thumbsup

Okies, I have a question for you Oystein hon.

If a company were to "lease to own" How would that work.

Can you give us more details on it please?

Is it possible to "lease to own" Garry as well?

Pay 5 cents a day for a couple of years?

;)

I am against using multiple processors. I know it will push the bottom line some, but I think it is bad news for a few reasons.

The first is Affiliates. If I use a cascading system, then either some of the signups don't go to the affiliates, or I have to track it myself and let people wonder if I shave.

The second is that I don't think it makes sense to work around scrubbing. Scrubbing is good for me. Sure, signups go down a tiny bit, but I don't have to worry about chargebacks. Also, if we, as an industry, push that line, then Visa will just crack down on us even harder.

Hey Marsha!

If you "lease to own" we would basically give you the opportunity to pay an up front setup fee, then a monthly fee (set according to a payment plan) - a % (like a buying a car) and with incentives if you pay it down quicker than planned. At the end you would own the software yourself and not having to pay a "per signup" fee ever again...

:)

I would SELL you Garry in a heartbeat! Five dollars only!!!

:1orglaugh

gothweb - Regarding the tracking and your affiliates: It will always be important that your affiliates trust you and your program. And by showing them a better signup ratio, you basically show them that you are to be trusted all the way. That is the most important thing.

As for chargebacks; The processors are doing their scrubbing according to how they feel they can protect their merchant accounts with VISA and MC the best way, and for them to get any higher chargeback ratio due to a cascading of processors would be fatal to the industry. No doubt about that. However, this is not the case. All the processors that we work with believe that the cascading we do makes all the sense in the world and therefore they back us up. The MPA2 for instance has been used by our clients for about a year now and we have received no indication that the processors are getting any higher chargeback ratios because of it. Actually they are more and more eager to be IN the MPA2 because it brings in more business. Good business.

I know that this can be a little hard to see in the overall picture, but rest assured that this is something we work very close with the processors on and it is working to both the webmasters owning such a program as well as for the affiliates sending traffic through it.

So to capture it all into one senctences; Cascading makes everyone more money, period.



:2 cents: :thumbsup

Damn Troels, you must have WAY TO MUCH money. I know that you are only after my body, but 5 cents A DAY would be way to much! I would pay you to be your personal slave for a year, how about that ?

:glugglug :winkwink: :Graucho :1orglaugh

Nah you know my policy on Norwegians - 99% are trannies.
I'm planning live cams from KingK & Frank's bedroom. They share same bed but their pillows are in opposite ends.

Trannie69.com

:)

!!! Looks like someone owes me a check.

Hey Rick... Whats uuup!

Yeah, you guys were some of the earlier MPA2 clients we had - actually before the new VISA fees came and took the online adult community by storm. Good deal! ;)

Is it making you money these days? Whats the scoop?



I also have another comment to the post from gothweb - Remember that if you only used ONE of any of the processors in the cascading as your one and only processor, and they accepted a presented credit card. Then it is a good transaction, right? :winkwink:

The only problem I would have with that type of program offering a "lease to own" feature is this...

When an affiliate gets a sale through a third party like CCBill or IBill, their money is there at that company and will be sent on time, every time (usually!)

However, when an affiliate signs up for a sponsor that uses multiple billing through a cascade script or their own affiliate system, the affiliate then has to rely on the sponsor cutting the check rather than the 3rd party biller.

In other words, (unless I'm mistaken) using a cascading script like this drops the responsibility of check mailouts into the hands of the people running the system rather than on the 3rd party billers. Lowering the cost of a cascading script (even by offering a lease to own option) would put that script in the hands of more and more webmasters, many of whom could not otherwise afford the several thousand dollar price tag of that script. Think about why that may not be such a good thing.

I've been researching the MPA2 system for about a week and a half. Different scenarios, other solutions available and implementing what I already have established with the Oystein's solution.

Verdict - The MPA2 solution packs a punch! Oystein... you'll be hearing from me tomorrow ;)

Hey Jak,

Yes, we are making it possible for smaller webmasters to get into the space of owing their own true affiliate program that has features from A to Z, and that does represent certain "dangers", however, I have it as my own feel on this

OOOPS.... pressed a wrong button... here is the rest of my sentence:

...and that is to always contact the owners of an affiliate program and get to know them BEFORE sending them lots of traffic. Reputation is everything...

SiMpLe - - Thank you so much. I am happy to hear that!

Talk to you tomorrow ;)

Hey Oystein,

We have been keeping an eye on this thread....I must say your program is great! Please don't hesitate to contact us here at Epoch with any questions on it, (888) 627-3888 ext. 207 or you can always icq me.

[email protected]

Hey thanks Isabel...

OK, so anyone with questions regarding MPA2 can also contact Epoch directly with any questions they may have about MPA2 or Epoch.

Hey, guys... Isabel is really cute too, so be sure to contact her for deals with Epoch! :winkwink:

OY! WAS SUP!!!!!!!! Everyone ready for AZ???
Ok my question of the hour is this.....
How hard is it to implement into a current webmaster program?
Are there going to be alot of changes one would have to make to their program to get this up and running? And I had another one but I dont remember now.....

Hey Wiseman..... Of course I am going to Phoenix. Love the town, food, the drinks, the hosts, the golf, and of course hanging out with you, Hooper and the gang...

As for your question - The webmasters that implement MPA2 and already have another program simply choose to move over to it because of all the features and better signup ratio it has. The typical qualm some webmasters have then is the change of linking codes and to make existing webasters re-sign up for their program, and what we say and see is that this is just another opportunity to go out to existing affiliates and promote the fact that you and them will make MUCH MORE MONEY together once they do it. It has worked like a charm so far.

We do a clean install, and we do have plenty of capabilities to import substantial amounts of information from your old databases too. It is full day or two of pure installation on your server + if any customizations are ordered this will of course come on top of that. All prepared and scheduled a couple of weeks prior to installation.

Did this answer your question?

Anyone else with any questions?

Don't be shy now!

See you in the bar in Phoenix man!

See ya in Arizona...

Oh yeah almost forgot

MPA2 ROCKS!!!

Rick, now we can split the check - hhehehe

l8

CYA there! ;))

What if a company is EU based where the VISA regs don´t apply
do we get $2250 discount on the setup fee?

DynaMite

Any plans to support Globill?

Oystein, just wanted to let you know, things are moving ahead as planned. I will be in touch in a day or 2

MPA2 does rokk :glugglug

OK. Let me take this one by one:

DynaSpain - Initially when we came out and said that we would cover these VISA fees we were thinking about doing it for a short period of time to relief the individual webmaster a little for all the fees, rules and regulations that at the time were just thrown at us from all directions. It was our way of showing that we understood the webmasters frustrations, and of course also an excellent way for us to further promote MPA2 with a big bang. I mean, over 2K in savings is pretty good...

However, the price was the same before the VISA fees came in place as it still is today, and due to the amount of work it is for us to set the program up for each individual client, we still have to charge the setup fee.

But don't worry - if you do 20 signups a day today, you will easily do 24 - 30 signups the day MPA2 is implemented, so you will make it back in no time. :winkwink:

Ok, no to:

AmeliaG - We have no immediate plans to implement GloBill unless we are being asked specifically by a new client to do so. (Customization work) That is actually a great question for GloBill - - - we have several processors that are very very interested in being implemented as we speak.

We are very happy with Epoch, CCBill and PSW so far and Electracash and NoCreditCard is working very good for checks and dialer.

Time will tell... :thumbsup

dantheman -

Sounds very good man! Thanks a bunch for the props! I looove props! :)

And just for you : :GFYBand

Lowering the cost of a cascading script (even by offering a lease to own option) would put that script in the hands of more and more webmasters, many of whom could not otherwise afford the several thousand dollar price tag of that script. Think about why that may not be such a good thing.

I understand the amount of work, etc, etc but I somehow feel
"discriminated" because of this. You promote that the $2500
includes VISA regs and these do not apply for me.

I need at least some sort of incentive to make me feel good about this....so come up with a little sumfing-sumfing for us
poor Europeans so we can clap hands and make a deal.

The ball is in your court again :winkwink:

DynaMite :thumbsup

DynaMite - I do have a weakness for "poor" Europeans, being one myself... Thus living in the US...

So I just sent you a proposal ;-)

LMK what you think...

:winkwink:

I just got a message back from the EU commity and they have
told me the EU is proud of you for making such a nice offer.

*Clap* done deal

DynaMite :thumbsup

Great thread Oystein.

I just wanted folks to know that Electracash sets up our side of MPA2 merchants same day. Everything from the contract to the product codes is done within the same work day, so you can get to your MPA2 implementation without waiting on us.

Contact us via,
www.ELECTRACASH.COM/APPLY.aspx

[email protected]

or call me directly at 901-866-2185

Our work over the last year with Mansion has been wonderful, and there are few instances I can use that word.

Fitzit

i had the same wonderance....

(is wonderance even a word?)

DaDee amd KmanRox - I don't think that will be a problem. It is still not free, and I think the entry level is set to a decent level. BUT, make sure to always check up on ANY program you send traffic to no matter what. That has always been my motto...


Fitzit - Thanks Fitz... Looks like webmasters need more information about this, so the thread is working as a tool for everyone. As well as giving us some good exposure. Getting several new clients that clearly sees the huge value in a full end to end affiliate program with true cascading solution. :)

Hey, as long as this is a spam thread, check out WayPay.com. They handle multiple processors for you and you don't have to install anything on your servers.

Cogitator - Looks good man...

Anyone else with working solutions that has a question?



:)

Oystein i use cascading program ICQ me

Hey Darren - - Check your ICQ


If there are other webmasters that are attending the Phoenix Forum that would like to talk more about this, email me and we can sit down. I will buy the beer...

:)

Any program doing any volume at all and wanting to use more than one processor should be using MPA2.

I know these guys and I know who uses the prgram and I've heard nothing but good stuff.

You WILL make more money.

If you're going to be in Phoenix, be sure to get with Oystein for the details.

See you in Phoenix.



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