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Johny Traffic 10-23-2014 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20263494)
I get those stats for our affiliate banner placements daily ... As a sponsor we haven't used banner placements in some time -- we saw the results and heard all of the stories about what we should do, spend more money on redundancy, bla bla bla -- ask anyone offering ads to prove redundancy to you by risking their ad revenue if they are wrong -- ROFLMAO -- they run like hell and try to find a new "customer."

You should be able to track your own banners used (all advertising for that matter) by the way you use your link codes as an affiliate or as a sponsor/seller. You can only know for sure the results of that particular test instance -- there are a lot of factors that might influence the results -- you have to consider them also.
Do you have any tips on tying shoe laces?

TeenCat 10-23-2014 07:24 AM
depends what sponsors are offering, but you can always check the high traffic tubes to see how the banners are looking like there, i bet those companies spending mucho dinero on the advertising knows what scheme have now the best ctr :winkwink:

Captain Kawaii 10-23-2014 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic (Post 20263457)
If only there was a way of knowing for sure, for testing it. Can you imagine if we lived in a world where we could run banners and test which ones are better?


We can only dream I guess
Gandalf is running a special on crystal balls. Buy 2 get a free hobbit.

Barry-xlovecam 10-23-2014 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20263495)
Either you aren't getting what the OP is saying, or those of us who make our own graphic images that create immediate leads aren't. I think you are being way too narrow in your definition of what a 'banner' is.
A banner is a visual graphic served on a website;
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a heading or advertisement appearing on a web page in the form of a bar, column, or box.
"to get a new banner now, click Step 1"
^ Are Affiliate Banners More Effective Than Your Own Custom banner?
i'd like to hear from those who have already tried it. tnx
I have gone as far as to have ''banners'' made for affiliates who insisted they had a great idea ... That naiveté is gone ...

I don't waste my money on banner advertising anymore because the results from experience suck. People have trained themselves to ignore banner advertising. The CTR rates are awful. The ROMI is poor.

What happened to the popup ad on GFY :) More important -- why was it there?
Banners from most networks are blocked by advertising blockers that 15% (or more?) of the Internet is using today.

So, what are real people interested in seeing? And not some advertising salesman's pitch to you?


But I won't waste any more of my time on this subject ...

Barry-xlovecam 10-23-2014 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic (Post 20263511)
Do you have any tips on tying shoe laces?
Yes, try having your mother do it ... Sorry, your sarcasm escaped me.

Maybe, I have heard too much whining around here about failed advertising, Google fucked my White Label again and sponsors shaving the sales that affiliates never had in the first place.

Jel 10-23-2014 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20263523)
A banner is a visual graphic served on a website;


^ Are Affiliate Banners More Effective Than Your Own Custom banner?
i'd like to hear from those who have already tried it. tnx
I have gone as far as to have ''banners'' made for affiliates who insisted they had a great idea ... That naiveté is gone ...

I don't waste my money on banner advertising anymore because the results from experience suck. People have trained themselves to ignore banner advertising. The CTR rates are awful. The ROMI is poor.

What happened to the popup ad on GFY :) More important -- why was it there?
Banners from most networks are blocked by advertising blockers that 15% (or more?) of the Internet is using today.

So, what are real people interested in seeing? And not some advertising salesman's pitch to you?


But I won't waste any more my time on this subject ...
#1 chillax
#2 be teachable. Always.

what most affiliate managers/program owners/affiliates seem to think they need in a banner, is far from what can get outstanding ctr & ultimately sales.

DamageX 10-23-2014 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20263523)
A banner is a visual graphic served on a website;


^ Are Affiliate Banners More Effective Than Your Own Custom banner?
i'd like to hear from those who have already tried it. tnx
I have gone as far as to have ''banners'' made for affiliates who insisted they had a great idea ... That naiveté is gone ...

I don't waste my money on banner advertising anymore because the results from experience suck. People have trained themselves to ignore banner advertising. The CTR rates are awful. The ROMI is poor.

What happened to the popup ad on GFY :) More important -- why was it there?
Banners from most networks are blocked by advertising blockers that 15% (or more?) of the Internet is using today.

So, what are real people interested in seeing? And not some advertising salesman's pitch to you?


But I won't waste any more of my time on this subject ...
Must... resist... the... temptation...

Captain Kawaii 10-23-2014 07:59 AM
For CAMS, I can see Barry's point. CAM banners never get it for me.

For incredibly hot Japanese girls? Banners kill it because the model on the banner pulls the sale! :2 cents:

DamageX 10-23-2014 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 20263553)
For CAMS, I can see Barry's point. CAM banners never get it for me.
Do they not convert, or do they simply not pull any clicks? Both issues can be addressed, regardless of what you push.

adultmobile 10-23-2014 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 20263553)
For CAMS, I can see Barry's point. CAM banners never get it for me.
I see most of our affiliates use something else than banners, may it be chat posts, submitted videos with overlay domain name and even text links. However except banners, some screenshots of fake screencap blogs works well.

DamageX 10-23-2014 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20263573)
I see most of our affiliates use something else than banners, may it be chat posts, submitted videos with overlay domain name and even text links. However except banners, some screenshots of fake screencap blogs works well.
There are ways you can craft banners for cam sites in such a way that they drive both clicks and sales. I know you cam sponsor guys think you're special and that you can't really use banners to promote cams well, since your business model is different. But that doesn't say that it doesn't work, it only proves that whoever you've seen sending you traffic using banners doesn't know how to make good ones.

Barry-xlovecam 10-23-2014 10:20 AM
Here is an open invitation to anyone that thinks your banners are hot shit:
  • Become an affiliate and put your money where your mouth is.
  • These mythical, wonderful converting banners will make you rich!
  • All of us program operators would be more than glad to pay you for the business that you can create for us.
  • But risk your own money and prove us wrong -- I challenge you!

DamageX 10-23-2014 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20263791)
Here is an open invitation to anyone that thinks your banners are hot shit:
  • Become an affiliate and put your money where your mouth is.
  • These mythical, wonderful converting banners will make you rich!
  • All of us program operators would be more than glad to pay you for the business that you can create for us.
  • But risk your own money and prove us wrong -- I challenge you!
Waste of time. Why would I risk my money pushing you and *maybe* make $100/member revshare over the next year, when I could do the same with a solid PPS sponsor and make $150+/member and get paid in two weeks?

Sorry buddy, that's not how business works. We're in this for the money, not to tickle our egos by proving wrong a glorified affiliate manager. :)

Roald 10-23-2014 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20263797)
Waste of time. Why would I risk my money pushing you and *maybe* make $100/member revshare over the next year, when I could do the same with a solid PPS sponsor and make $150+/member and get paid in two weeks?

Sorry buddy, that's not how business works. We're in this for the money, not to tickle our egos by proving wrong a glorified affiliate manager. :)
$150/member is a joke for most cam sites.

If you're not in a hurry go revshare :2 cents:

Barry-xlovecam 10-23-2014 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20263797)
Waste of time. Why would I risk my money pushing you and *maybe* make $100/member revshare over the next year, when I could do the same with a solid PPS sponsor and make $150+/member and get paid in two weeks?

Sorry buddy, that's not how business works. We're in this for the money, not to tickle our egos by proving wrong a glorified affiliate manager. :)

Just what I thought -0- Run Like Hell!

DamageX 10-23-2014 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 20263810)
$150/member is a joke for most cam sites.

If you're not in a hurry go revshare :2 cents:
Of course. The problem is, if you send traffic using media buys, you cannot go about sinking money into buying traffic for six months, before you even get to break even. That's why Barry has no clue how banners can be used for immediate conversions, as his program only offers revshare.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20263815)
Just what I thought -0- Run Like Hell!
:1orglaugh

Did you seriously think you could bait me (or anyone else knowing what they do, for that matter) to use MY MONEY, to TEACH your ignorant ass how banners can be used to make money?

JA$ON 10-23-2014 10:43 AM
Every whale I know that does media buying not only makes their own banners, they make their own landing pages.

Im thinking about the 5 biggest guys I know off the top of my head (all do over 100 sales a day each) and they ALL make their own stuff.

there is your answer.

WHY ????? The programs have designers, they are capable of making the same stuff....

Answer: Programs on PPS or PPL are more focused on dealing with the user once that first submit button is hit. Media buyers spending 6 figures a month spend a LOT of time testing one creative / landing page vs another and fine tuning to bring back a positive ROI.

Roald 10-23-2014 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20263820)
Of course. The problem is, if you send traffic using media buys, you cannot go about sinking money into buying traffic for six months, before you even get to break even. That's why Barry has no clue how banners can be used for immediate conversions, as his program only offers revshare.
True.

Carry on!!!

Barry-xlovecam 10-23-2014 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20263821)
[A]nswer: Programs on PPS or PPL are more focused on dealing with the user once that first submit button is hit.
.. 100 sales a day is nice, but just like a bank, over concentration in large depositors is very risky.

We are interested in diversified growth and trust me, we do buy our own media, with our own money, at our own risk, and do just fine with our long term income. "Banners" are not even in the equation in these pursuits.

adultmobile 10-24-2014 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 20263810)
$150/member is a joke for most cam sites.

If you're not in a hurry go revshare :2 cents:
We give $80 PPS, it is "ok" for today's times I think, today whales are more rare and most the other guys care a lot how much they spend. A few years ago I would have paid out $150+ PPS gladly, but really I was giving just $75-$100 depending on affiliate's signups per period.
About banners and cams, note that most cam banners are iframe banners of the live girls, something you can't do with prerecorded content sites. Really we don't provide iframe banners, used to consume too much bandwidth if put on tubes or cj sites for so low conversion, it costed us more of hosting than of paying affiliate. Now bandwidth is more cheap but we're fine without iframe banners still, our affiliates mostly use chatty methods.

30SalesPlus 10-24-2014 09:09 AM
Custom banners is almost always the way to go.

The Porn Nerd 10-24-2014 09:13 AM
Depends on your traffic and Members Areas. Sometimes banners work, sometimes text links, sometimes iframes.

Test, test, test.


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