Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20094750)

Because a lot of times when a couple doesn't have kids after a long time being married, it's not by choice. I went through it myself, and know personally a few others who needed IVF help, and one couple who had no choice but to adopt.

A question like that is more than casual. Do you want to be lied to ... or hear about someone's medical issues that they probably don't want to share -- and possibly ruin their day because of a dumb curiosity that could have been kept to yourself? I can't think of any other "casual" conversation subject that could be more sensitive and loaded ...other than asking someone how their childhood rape went.

Originally Posted by xpimp (Post 20093461)

29 here, married once but gladly no kids were involved and nothing else to share after, so this time i was lucky enough to get away pretty damn cheap.
I don't think i will do it again, a kid in the future(let's say 35) yes as an idea to pass your belongings, but marriage? i don't think so.
I don't want to generalize here, i know that happy marriages do exist, but, in many cases, like was mine, the women changed dramatically after the "deal" was signed.
A "symbolic" marriage i would accept if i see that she wants only to see herself with that wedding dress and have that feeling that she was a once bride in her lifetime, it could be a costly "fairy tale", i don't mind that, but it must not imply to sign anything.

I'm not in any way against the idea of marriage, but i'm against the idea to offer any power of control to a women over me or my belongings and, unfortunately, the marriage can offer that degree of power.
Once a woman knows that she can take half of your belongings and strangle you with child support for many, many years, you may not believe how she may start to behave and abuse from that power.
One more thing, i'm sure that many know but i will say it just to make sure for other ones: if you still plan to get married, make sure at least that you have your own property and don't ever fuckin' go on her playground.

Originally Posted by xato (Post 20134199)

:thumbsup

as for kids:
http://i.imgur.com/B8cyH4B.png :winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

I am a person who loves his freedom above all. I just came back from a half year trip around the world and fortunately I am financially free enough to do that.
I love travelling and doing what I want, when I want (with certain limits of course).
I would have to give up a huge portion of that freedom for having kids. Doesn't sound appealing to me. Also I have 7 nephews and nieces and dont have a really personal relationship to any of them. I know they say that would change if it was your own, but I'm not eager to find out.
One thing I do know however is that the only constant in life is change. Maybe I will think differently in a few years, who knows. As for now I dont think I will have kids ever.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20093418)

You have no idea.

Having a kid changes your life. Your life right now is empty; You think you love your wife but you have no idea what love is really about until you hold your own child in your hands for the first time. For the first time ever you will truly love someone no matter what, and they will love you back. It's not like your spouse that can leave you at any moment.