My drivers license is good for 8 years, but I have no idea how long the ID card is good for. I would assume it is the same.

I just had to renew my license and had to get a copy of my birth certificate because I had somehow managed to lose it. It wasn't a big deal, I did it in an afternoon, but I did have to drive to the place, fill out a form and pay the fee. I also think you can do it online and they will send it to you. I actually felt sorry for the poor bastard in front of me in line. He was in line 40 minutes, gets up to the counter to renew is drivers license and finds out you need a copy of your birth certificate which he didn't have on him. Now he gets to come back and wait in line again.

They are all undercover in this state.

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Black/White relations certainly have an interesting history there.

Not surprised to see GFY's Republican/conservative apologist tools blame the victims and refuse to consider this a blatant power grab intended to deny citizens their right to vote. :1orglaugh

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ADG

see thread title :2 cents:

Eh...that's it. I'm tired of ADG's insults.

If you can't see the fact that anybody in the U.S. can get an ID without any more problem than I get my Drivers License renewed...then enjoy your idiocy.

I for one, am tired of you posting up retarded pictures by the dozens and never even understanding what you are talking about.

Later on ADG. You showed your true colors back a few years ago when you jumped in with a few other assholes on GFY and bullied that girl Claire (who was a genuinely nice girl).

Enjoy your life and "business" (whatever it is you do that actually makes you money). You're off to my ignore list with all others who are disrespectful and can't make me a thin dime in this business.

blah blah blah.... if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass...you can misquote, micro manage, imagine, reimagine all you want... reality get ID to vote

Robbie if they can't figure out how to get ride to the DMV, probably won't be able to figure out how to get down and vote anyway :2 cents:

this is the funniest post in the thread.... (thread about ID) :thumbsup

okay now I'm confused.. are we talking about 'minorities' or 'mentally challenged' over and over and over you have consistently pointed out that the issues can't be resolved by the affected parties... .

I have no idea what kind of a response that is?

That's how you reply to a multitude of points of debate?

Really?

A few people got what I was saying very early on in the thread.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20083262&postcount=58
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20083239&postcount=56
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20083922&postcount=89

Not sure why it's so hard for many of you even after much longer tutorials, which the above 3 didn't get.

thank you Robbie... I don't feel so alone now :thumbsup

there is no real debate other than the endless issues you seem to try and bring up... just to make this very clear to you: any one in American can get ID.. there is no race barrier so how in the holy hopping fuck can it be racist to ask for ID... :winkwink:

LOL ... you sound like Relentless ...

I never said the problems couldn't be resolved by the affected parties. I simply pointed out that I can see how for some it might be a headache and it could be expensive if you are very poor.

That post was simply to show that the price of an ID varies from state to state.

mopek1...I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve here.

Are you trying to convince yourself that you are smarter than everyone here? You're not.

Are you trying to change the thread topic to something else? No big deal, threads get derailed by people all the time.

I've said quite a few times in this thread that the whole thing is political for both sides. The Republicans are convinced that the Democrats are up to their old tricks of voter fraud that they famously did in Chicago for many, many decades.

They want to have people show an ID so that can't happen.

The Democrat Party, on the other hand...is worried that it won't be able to do that anymore if people have to show an ID to vote. So they are playing the race card as hard as they can.

For both of those party's it's pure politics.
If THAT is your big concept you keep harping about...then "thank you" Captain Obvious.

But the thread asks if it is "racist" to ask for ID or if it is a "hurdle" to people trying to vote.

Well...it's a "hurdle" to get out of bed I suppose. And a "hurdle" for ALL of us that the govt. requires to do so many things of. And it is also a "hurdle" to get electricity and running water IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ID.

So if you consider it to be some kind of "Voter Suppression" to require that the tiny, tiny percent of adult American's who aren't homeless or mentally incapacitated to get an ID...then I would say that society is just discriminating against those people by not allowing them to have electricity, get the water turned on, buy a beer, or even go to the DNC convention. Because you have to show ID for all those things.

You are really out to lunch in this thread.

Maybe you should start a "new" thread that will "tutor" all of us who are below you intellectually and use THAT thread to explain to us that political party's do political things.

Wow! That would be something! I never would have guessed that anything a political party does is...political.

Even republicans think republicans are going overboard now...

From http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ppression.html

Meanwhile ….. you need ID to ride a bike in New York but not to vote? :1orglaugh

"A source tells Yahoo that Baldwin was indeed riding his bike alone on the wrong side of Fifth Avenue when he was stopped by police. Additionally, he did not have his ID on him, which is why he had to be handcuffed and taken into the local station."

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...154445357.html


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I feel safer without dangerous biker Alec Baldwin riding down the street on the wrong side, no less without the patriotic American fucking decency to be carrying his Drivers License (aka Voter ID Card) at the time.

I hope they lock him up in solitary confinement until he learns the errors of his immoral and criminal ways. Oh yeah, and I believe that Baldwin is a Democrat, so they should take away his voting rights while they're at it! :mad:

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ADG

those cops saved that dumbass's life and should all receive a bonus and accolades.

What a dumbass, riding a bicycle the wrong way down 5th ave on a Tuesday morning? Fuck him. The best thing that could have happened would have had him run over, a benefit being we would all be with 1 less baldwin brother, but that would have cost the taxpayers, at least this way, a traffic scofflaw was removed from the streets and he has to pay for it.

that tubbie is getting the 2 cuff treatment too, lucky!

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I think you know very well what I am saying and so do the others I am arguing against.

The difference is that to all of you it is about 'winning' the thread which is an attitude that never allows for a good back and forth exchange of ideas.

let me point this out.... right now I'm working 43.7% of the year for the government, I spend hours dealing with government regulations (that's a fucking headache for sure), with more on the way.... so if it's too much trouble for the people I'm supporting to go get ID.. ... fuck them

Heh so the next thing you guys are going to say is gerrymandering is because the politicians like creatively shaped districts because it's pretty, not because it skews the vote?

The GOP has said voter ID laws will help win elections if they can pass the laws and now even libertianish rand Paul has come out against them simply to improve his image with actual minority voters.

But yea keep thinking the issue is simply oh you don't have $10 and a few hours of time, so you don't get to vote.

why would anyone handcuff a well known actor for riding a bike in the wrong direction?

he probably can be happy he didnt get tazered or shot

he's a loud mouth and low quality cops

I'll repeat this for you: any 'minority can get ID in America, even illegal aliens can get ID in America' asking for ID is NOT racism. :2 cents:

I hear you and agree.

But the ones that don't, won't respond to your point. They will simply repeat and repeat and repeat that one point as if they were broken records.

You could show logic, analyses, heck even get God out here himself to wake them up but they will remain automatons ...

they didn't handcuff him for riding a bike in the wrong direction, they handcuffed him because he was flipping out on them.

he should be happy he didn't cause and accident and get run over more than some silly notion that all cops are trigger happy.

Clearly you've never ridden a bicycle

Clearly? There's nothing clear about your comment. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

mopek1 what are you talking about. :1orglaugh

Is this some cool form of trolling you are doing? YOU are the broken record.

The thread is asking the question "why is asking for ID racism?"

That is a talking point that the DNC has put out there.

We are in here having a discussion about that topic and it's variants.

The only thing you have added to the discussion is something that is totally OBVIOUS and was already discussed in the beginning.

Both political parties are looking for any kind of gain in voters that they can get.
The Republicans THINK that by having people show ID it will keep Democrat voters from voting.
Democrats THINK the same thing.

Both sides are assuming that voters who vote Democrat are too "poor" or too "lazy" or too "stupid' to be able to get an ID.

I am saying that is not true.

Now why don't you post AGAIN about how I can't understand the incredibly complex idea that you have proposed:
Republicans look to gain advantage by having people show ID to vote.

Wow! What an epiphany! Hello "Captain Obvious!"

And my point...which goes beyond your obvious (and apparently ONLY) thought on the matter is: The Republicans are wrong. The Dems are wrong.

It is NOT racist to ask for ID. If it were...then everything in life that asks for ID would be illegal because it would be discriminating on the basis of race.

And furthermore, ID is NOT hard to get.

Am I getting my point through to you?
YES, everybody knows that political party's do EVERYTHING for political gain.

NO, I don't agree with either side's motivations. But the point is moot because getting an ID is not "racist" and it not going to "suppress" black people or other "minorities" from voting. They have ID and are perfectly capable of getting ID. They are not weak or stupid.

This thread was set up (framed) to bash Democrats.

There are 2 guilty parties here and by calling out only one (Dems: racist thing) and agreeing with the other (Rep: voter id is a good idea) the you are indirectly taking sides.

The OP and others with similar interests do this because it helps one side while 'seeming' to be neutral. Doesn't matter if people have small disclaimers in their threads saying "yeah both parties are in it for gain" because they then go right to bashing again. Ex:

"FUCKING DEMS!! CALLING IT RACIST ... IMAGINE THE IDIOCY !!!" (followed by lots of high fives from others)

"JUST GET SOME FUCKING ID!!! WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?!!" (followed by more high fives)

Political parties love to frame ideas because that's how they win discussions. You can't lose if you do. He who frames the argument wins it.

Another stupid comment .... but no surprise .

It is much safer to ride against traffic if there are no bike path, as you can see the upcoming cars/trucks ....

Use your brain cell for once.

mopek1, I don't think the DNC needs you to "save" them in this discussion.

I understand that you want to "right this wrong" of the thread being "set up" to bash Democrats (in your view).

But it's kind of hard to defend them on this one. Just like it's hard to defend Republicans on social issues.

Both sides are catering to their most extreme base...because the extremists on both sides are the ones who WILL vote, come hell or high water.

I spent most of my life thinking my vote didn't count.

Now I realize that played right into the 2 party system plan. As long as far left and far right extremists are the most consistent voting block, our country will continue to flounder.

People like you and me are the ones who need to get out there and vote. And vote for what is right. Not "party line" voting. But voting on issues and the individual people who are running.

For me...that means taking a long look at third party candidates.
It sure seems to me that anyone who even makes it to the primary races as a Republican or Democrat is already damaged beyond repair.

But that's just my viewpoint.

Funny that people love to argue there is no voter fraud but the discussion itself is predicated on the fact that no one even knows or can prove who is voting to begin with.

umm, retard. it's against the fucking law to ride against traffic.

There's a reason for that.

for the dipshit dolt.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ridi...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

okay that's it... you're a fucking dumb ass for sure... I have no similar interest get it?
I only point this out because I thought it was ABSURD that asking for ID was racist...


but since it has been brought to the table in this thread I will say this: If you are stupid and lazy, vote democrat ...

It's not about saving the Dems. It's about calling things fairly - (for sure they are using the race card.)

Like you I also played into the 2 party system. I wasn't taught much about politics and had to learn by getting mixed up in it, taking sides and fighting hard, and then finally emerging out of it and seeing the manipulating that goes on.

And like you, I also look at 3rd party candidates and see so much potential in some of them that it drives me nuts knowing they don't stand a chance. But if they never get votes, then their chances are zero. So I started believing my vote counts too and vote in every election at every level and look hard at what's being said and what actions they take.

It seems we are more similar than we thought. I also appreciate the de-escalation initiative you've taken in regards to our argument. Toning it down is another way of taking the high road.

Since we're on a positive and agreeable note I'll bow out of this thread and look forward to more discussions with you in others.

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Math says it's better to be hit from the back while riding a bike. If a car hits you from the back, the force will be far less because you're both traveling in the same direction. If the collision is head on, the force will be multiplied by both of your speeds. So, you may see it coming, but who cares if you're going to die anyway.

I do 25 mile rides on some scary roads will small shoulders, and it would seem pretty fucking foolish to be going toward traffic. It would be scary for the drivers coming toward me also. You obviously are not a biker.

I have said multiple times in this thread that if these laws were only about voters having to show an ID I wouldn't have a problem with it. The reality is that most, if not all, of these voter ID laws also include things like shortening the number of early voting days, reducing times you can get an absentee or provisional ballot and reducing the time before voting that you can register. These are all things that are meant to reduce the number of votes cast and these are also things that studies have shown are more likely to be used by democrats.

they can do all that without ID's and just MAYBE there is another reason for these changes... like budgets? not everything is about black people, poor people of a weird illuminate plot :2 cents:

You are right, they could do these things without a voter ID, but it would likely be harder to do it out in the open instead of burying it in a 100 page bill.

There are ZERO reasons why they should cut the number of early vote days and the amount of time you have to get and file an absentee ballot. Budget? Bullshit! We are the richest country in the world. We are supposed to be the shining light of democracy for the world and we can't afford to pay people to work the polls for a few extra days every two years? Every year I hear people complain about the low voter turn out and we are going to do things that could limit voter turnout? We should be doing everything in our power to increase it.

Personally I think every state should do it like mine does. Vote by mail. We have a decently high voter turnout because it is easy. There are no lines to wait in and you don't have to worry about going to the correct polling location. The ballot comes to you, you fill it out, and mail it back or you can drop it in a ballot collection box located in many different places. Simple.

Tactics used to reduce voting days and the ways people vote are nothing more than tricks intended to suppress methods that studies have shown are more popular among democrats. I'm not saying democrats don't do shady things. They do. But there is no connection between voter ID and limited the time and available ways people vote.

the best tactic politicians have for reducing voter turnout is one they've fully embraced- doing a shitty job.

kane...we are badly in debt. Federal debt is $17 trillion, $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Most city, county, and states are struggling with debt and budgets.

I'm not saying that an absentee ballot should be affected one way or another because I don't know.

But I am saying that we are NOT the richest country on Earth. We are actually number "7" on the list (Qatar is the richest).
We are however number "1" for debt. (yay! USA! USA! We're number ONE!) lol

As far as "early voting"...I kind of wondered about that. I could have sworn that I had NEVER heard of such a thing until recently. And I was right!

I googled it. And it appears to be a local govt. choice? It appears to not have existed until 1994 and was never really used strategically by any campaign until the Obama Campaign figured out how to use it to their advantage in 2009.

Pretty interesting stuff. And now people think it's some kind of rights that they've always had! lol

Early voting is apparently not very well regulated yet and subject to...you guessed it: fraud.

Just thought it was interesting after I just googled it.
I KNEW I had never heard of that until recent years.

Can you just imagine our parents and grandparent's whining about "early voting" being cut down to "only" a few days? Lol!
Voting ALWAYS happened on one day...the Tuesday after the first Monday in November (except absentee balloting...which is really for American's living overseas and/or military overseas).

I guess these "poor" "minorities" need us to hold their hands, not ask for an ID, and give them a few weeks to vote. :)

My mom was born in 1940. When she was old enough to vote in 1958 the US had about 170 million people in it. Today we have around 320 million. The population has almost doubled. It makes sense that we need to make some kind of arrangements to allow for all these people to vote. In many cities it is 3-5 hour wait in line to vote.

Vote by mail makes the most sense. Montana recently considered it and even though it was shown that it would save the state 2 million dollars per election, they decided to not to do it because they had "concerns." You can determine for yourself what those concerns are. I think it is because the state is slowly threatening to turn blue and vote by mail might help move that along some.

Do we have a ton of debt? Without question. Can we afford to keep the polls open a few extra days every 2 years? Without question. Let's just do this. During election years lets curb the amount of money we give other countries by enough to cover to cost of keeping the polls open a few extra days. Problem solved.

We should be doing everything in our power to make sure everyone who wants to vote can get to polls.

The interesting thing is that for many of them it doesn't matter how shitty of a job they do. Congress has a 10% approval rating. Cockroaches have a high approval rating than congress. Yet I bet 75%-80% of them get reelected in the next election. People have the idea that congress sucks, but their particular congressional rep doesn't.

Still, you make a point. My brother never votes because he doesn't think it matters. Whoever wins, he feels, will have no affect on his life one way or the other.

You'll do whatever you can to bolster a Republican argument. It's a fact. I mean, you go to some GREAT motherfucking lengths for the cause. You do know this about yourself, right? Can you be real for a moment and just admit it? It's ok to have your opinions...but drop the whole "politics neutral" thing.