LBPD are Killers!!!!

[NALEM]

Another unarmed individual.

Happened just south of LA in the coastal community of Long Beach. Regular folks where the entire incident played out, not only witness what happened but capture it on their phones. Video on Youtube, and in some of the news articles.

http://www.presstelegram.com/2014042...hooting-sunday

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1775431

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...430-story.html

[DBS.US]

Don't run from the police

[beerptrol]

Reminds me of FMJ get some

[beerptrol]

[NALEM]

[Best-In-BC]

Don't run from the police

Yeah, cause dumb fucking people allow cops to shoot you with there own retard justification .

[Matt 26z]

This shooting was clearly not justified. I count at least 15 cops on the scene. Even the initial rubber bullets were unnecessary with that much physical force available to take him down.

[brassmonkey]

killed by accident the other cops thought it was lethal force green light over and out. pigs!!

[NALEM]

In the wrong place at the right time - I was among at least 40+ people who saw everything. We were directly above the location it all happened. Some even had their phones rolling, one pulled out a GoPro on some type of telescope rod, and another was downstairs with a Pro camera. Never did I think the police would do something so stupid as to murder this guy (assuming he is not dangerous in his actions) in front of so many witnesses.

The guy in the white SUV, rolled into this culdesac/dead end, with Long Beach Police and Los Angeles County Sheriffs in tow. He didn't budge from his vehicle for at least half an hour or more. Even some SWAT showed up. Some of law enforcement took up their positions from the sides, behind, above, and even beach side. Others walked around very relaxed, never feeling threatened. This guy finally got out his SUV, with some light colored stick or walking cane in hand. Never waved it around, or anything. Ended up dropping the stick/cane, when the dog was about to pounce on him. He ran away down the stairs, like a drunk trying to run. Even I saw his hands were free, just trying to bounce off the left and right side railing going down. Shooting him from behind with something non-lethal was BS enough, but hey whatever. Shooting him from the front - was bloody murder. We all heard a dozen or more pops or bangs with 1-2-3 seconds.
Police on the beach were not surprised by his coming down. They were positioned there, just in case. They (Long Beach PD, LA County Sheriffs and SWAT) all knew the game plan. They knew that officers in the culdesac had special non lethal weapons pointed at him.

Not only do I wish this mans family to be set for life financially, I hope that the police, and their bosses, are jailed for this murder. One can hope and dream, right?

[DBS.US]

Yeah, cause dumb fucking people allow cops to shoot you with there own retard justification .

Said but true

[bronco67]

We have to stop cops from allowing "he was reaching for something" as a defense. You're paid to possibly die to make sure that something is a gun before you go blasting any perceived threat. Then you multiply the number of bullets flying by how many other cops are on the scene.

[L-Pink]

In the wrong place at the right time - I was among at least 40+ people who saw everything. We were directly above the location it all happened. Some even had their phones rolling, one pulled out a GoPro on some type of telescope rod, and another was downstairs with a Pro camera. Never did I think the police would do something so stupid as to murder this guy (assuming he is not dangerous in his actions) in front of so many witnesses.

The guy in the white SUV, rolled into this culdesac/dead end, with Long Beach Police and Los Angeles County Sheriffs in tow. He didn't budge from his vehicle for at least half an hour or more. Even some SWAT showed up. Some of law enforcement took up their positions from the sides, behind, above, and even beach side. Others walked around very relaxed, never feeling threatened. This guy finally got out his SUV, with some light colored stick or walking cane in hand. Never waved it around, or anything. Ended up dropping the stick/cane, when the dog was about to pounce on him. He ran away down the stairs, like a drunk trying to run. Even I saw his hands were free, just trying to bounce off the left and right side railing going down. Shooting him from behind with something non-lethal was BS enough, but hey whatever. Shooting him from the front - was bloody murder. We all heard a dozen or more pops or bangs with 1-2-3 seconds.
Police on the beach were not surprised by his coming down. They were positioned there, just in case. They (Long Beach PD, LA County Sheriffs and SWAT) all knew the game plan. They knew that officers in the culdesac had special non lethal weapons pointed at him.

Not only do I wish this mans family to be set for life financially, I hope that the police, and their bosses, are jailed for this murder. One can hope and dream, right?

So what's the back story to this? Why was he followed in by multiple cop cars from multiple counties? Why did he sit in the car for 30 minutes without anyone approaching, etc?

Seems like a perfect situation for a couple of dogs to be let loose not bullets.


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[bean-aid]

In the wrong place at the right time - I was among at least 40+ people who saw everything. We were directly above the location it all happened. Some even had their phones rolling, one pulled out a GoPro on some type of telescope rod, and another was downstairs with a Pro camera. Never did I think the police would do something so stupid as to murder this guy (assuming he is not dangerous in his actions) in front of so many witnesses.

The guy in the white SUV, rolled into this culdesac/dead end, with Long Beach Police and Los Angeles County Sheriffs in tow. He didn't budge from his vehicle for at least half an hour or more. Even some SWAT showed up. Some of law enforcement took up their positions from the sides, behind, above, and even beach side. Others walked around very relaxed, never feeling threatened. This guy finally got out his SUV, with some light colored stick or walking cane in hand. Never waved it around, or anything. Ended up dropping the stick/cane, when the dog was about to pounce on him. He ran away down the stairs, like a drunk trying to run. Even I saw his hands were free, just trying to bounce off the left and right side railing going down. Shooting him from behind with something non-lethal was BS enough, but hey whatever. Shooting him from the front - was bloody murder. We all heard a dozen or more pops or bangs with 1-2-3 seconds.
Police on the beach were not surprised by his coming down. They were positioned there, just in case. They (Long Beach PD, LA County Sheriffs and SWAT) all knew the game plan. They knew that officers in the culdesac had special non lethal weapons pointed at him.

Not only do I wish this mans family to be set for life financially, I hope that the police, and their bosses, are jailed for this murder. One can hope and dream, right?

Sounds you like you just volunteered to be a plaintiff witness by that statement. Hope you follow through with it.

[dyna mo]

those cops were fully justified in shooting that guy.

He was clearly a violent criminal, committing a crime with scissors as weapon, taking the cops on high-speed pursuit, etc, then running like a fuckwad criminal right toward the out the loop cops that shot him, those cops hearing gun fire and seeing this fucking fruitcake running like a criminal, shot him.

absofuckinglutely.

good job.

[bean-aid]

^^Maybe not so justified...

I think the inherent question one must ask is why the mother fucker is there a Navy Boat, FBI, a slew of pigs... all chasing after one gay guy who seems eccentric?

Where the fuck in the chain of command gots fucked up? Because no fucking way a guy in tight jeans, with a half shirt... with no fucking gun, sitting in a car for 30 minutes while literally 200 police,navy,swat gathering... could he EVER do anything to harm anyone.

See... it's a witch hunt, get the masses and the retards fuel each other. It is basic human instinct to act like that, just visit the xbiz forum to see that very same human behavior.

[dyna mo]

this is los angeles, long beach, etc, police show up in force. they learned that the hard way.

Don't get me wrong, I am very anti-police and authority, nevertheless, this is la la and long beach is just as hard core. I am also very anti-criminal, and that guy running around like a criminal got shot dead like a fucking criminal.

This event changd everything in socal for police

[Matt 26z]

This event changd everything in socal for police

There have been only two cases of a full auto being discharged during a crime since the 1930s. The above video is one of them. So, no, it didn't change anything..... or shouldn't have anyway.

[dyna mo]

There have been only two cases of a full auto being discharged during a crime since the 1930s. The above video is one of them. So, no, it didn't change anything..... or shouldn't have anyway.

it's not my opinion that it changed things. it's not my opinion whether it should have or not.

I'm stating the fact that it did change things, cops are not fucking around here.

you don't get to run around like a fucking criminal while gun shots are going off and not expect those 2 cops to shoot the coocoo criminal running at them.

[crockett]

This shooting was clearly not justified. I count at least 15 cops on the scene. Even the initial rubber bullets were unnecessary with that much physical force available to take him down.

Don't worry it's apparently just cause to shoot to kill someone that runs away. The officers will get paid vacation and be back on the streets in a few days..

[crockett]

this is los angeles, long beach, etc, police show up in force. they learned that the hard way.

Don't get me wrong, I am very anti-police and authority, nevertheless, this is la la and long beach is just as hard core. I am also very anti-criminal, and that guy running around like a criminal got shot dead like a fucking criminal.

This event changd everything in socal for police

I remember watching that unfold on live TV, but even still a single event like that should not be reason to allow the current levels of police brutality. At this point I'm starting to side with criminals whom run as it's just far too often people end up getting beaten or even killed due to trigger happy cops that never have to answer for their wrong doings.

[bean-aid]

I remember watching that unfold on live TV, but even still a single event like that should not be reason to allow the current levels of police brutality. At this point I'm starting to side with criminals whom run as it's just far too often people end up getting beaten or even killed due to trigger happy cops that never have to answer for their wrong doings.

They can slurp on their 7-11's and kiss their kids good night. But the guy who just got gunned down is going to his early grave and will receive worms for friends.

[dyna mo]

Don't worry it's apparently just cause to shoot to kill someone that runs away. The officers will get paid vacation and be back on the streets in a few days..

no, it's not ok to commit a violent crime, lead police on a high speed pursuit, not obey the order of an overwhelming presence of police while holding out in the car, exit the vehicle agressively with a club of some sort and then continue to defy authority as you go on a crazy scramble run to get away. YOu don't get to do that shit here.

right or wrong, that person puts his own life at risk. that's not top secret knowledge here, again, the cops are real deal here.

[NALEM]

So what's the back story to this? Why was he followed in by multiple cop cars from multiple counties? Why did he sit in the car for 30 minutes without anyone approaching, etc?

Seems like a perfect situation for a couple of dogs to be let loose not bullets. .

The backstory according to the police - guy had an altercation with a security guard at some major retailer in Compton. When police get called, he drives off, with police following him. According to some people who posted comments on the news blogs, and according to people who claim to live along the route he drove, he never drove fast or recklessly. He obeyed stop lights, signs, etc.

I think Compton is considered part of LA County, as is Long Beach, so LA County Sheriffs started this in Compton, and entered into Long Beach Police Departments jurisdiction or territory.

Cant speak for the guy and explain what was going through his mind or why he sat in his car for so long - but I do know if I was stupid enough to do any of what he did (driving away from police being the big one) and it just got worse for me every mile I continued to drive - and finally I am boxed in - I would be having a major panic, an oh shit moment - and also not leave that car too quickly. He has got to feel the safest in that car, its like a womb for him. He is surrounded with guys speaking on their horns, guns pointed at him from several directions, and a police dog stationed at the curb, near the car.

[NALEM]

those cops were fully justified in shooting that guy.

He was clearly a violent criminal, committing a crime with scissors as weapon, taking the cops on high-speed pursuit, etc, then running like a fuckwad criminal right toward the out the loop cops that shot him, those cops hearing gun fire and seeing this fucking fruitcake running like a criminal, shot him.

absofuckinglutely.
good job.

Nothing is clear. You and I both were not at the original place where it all started. We only know what supposedly happened. We don't know what or who provoked the man. One thing we seem to know, is that he made a serious of decisions that made it get worse and worse for him.

According to witnesses along the route, he respected the rules of the road, so no high speed chase happened, and he appeared to run only when the police decided to let the dog loose on him. Those "cops" positioned on the sand - that heard gun fire, should know as fact, and not just guess, where or from whom the gun shots where being fired from.

[NALEM]

^^Maybe not so justified...

I think the inherent question one must ask is why the mother fucker is there a Navy Boat, FBI, a slew of pigs... all chasing after one gay guy who seems eccentric?

Where the fuck in the chain of command gots fucked up? Because no fucking way a guy in tight jeans, with a half shirt... with no fucking gun, sitting in a car for 30 minutes while literally 200 police,navy,swat gathering... could he EVER do anything to harm anyone.

See... it's a witch hunt, get the masses and the retards fuel each other. It is basic human instinct to act like that, just visit the xbiz forum to see that very same human behavior.

IMHO it was a human hunt. You should of seen them. Some got their weapons fixed on the guy, while others are relaxed and not taking cover, fiddling with their radio or mobile phone, their back turned to the man's car.

After the kills, some officers on the culdesac high fived each other, and others expressed it in their voices.

The police locked down not only actual location to where this eventually played out, but went several blocks south, north and east. They did the best they can, to keep the media far away from the scene.

[NALEM]

Sounds you like you just volunteered to be a plaintiff witness by that statement. Hope you follow through with it.

Absolutely! I only hope that the others will do the same.
Ironically two detectives showed up two days later. Ran into them in the elevator As I exited the elevator, I told them that I saw LBPD murder the man. Do you think they stopped me for more details, or at least to get my contact details?

[L-Pink]

The backstory according to the police - guy had an altercation with a security guard at some major retailer in Compton. When police get called, he drives off, with police following him. According to some people who posted comments on the news blogs, and according to people who claim to live along the route he drove, he never drove fast or recklessly. He obeyed stop lights, signs, etc.

I think Compton is considered part of LA County, as is Long Beach, so LA County Sheriffs started this in Compton, and entered into Long Beach Police Departments jurisdiction or territory.

Cant speak for the guy and explain what was going through his mind or why he sat in his car for so long - but I do know if I was stupid enough to do any of what he did (driving away from police being the big one) and it just got worse for me every mile I continued to drive - and finally I am boxed in - I would be having a major panic, an oh shit moment - and also not leave that car too quickly. He has got to feel the safest in that car, its like a womb for him. He is surrounded with guys speaking on their horns, guns pointed at him from several directions, and a police dog stationed at the curb, near the car.

Thanks.

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[just a punk]

Don't run from the police

Get on your knees and suck?

[L-Pink]

Get on your knees and suck?

Or go to Mother Russia where KGB serves milk and cookies.

[dyna mo]

Nothing is clear. You and I both were not at the original place where it all started. We only know what supposedly happened. We don't know what or who provoked the man. One thing we seem to know, is that he made a serious of decisions that made it get worse and worse for him.

According to witnesses along the route, he respected the rules of the road, so no high speed chase happened, and he appeared to run only when the police decided to let the dog loose on him. Those "cops" positioned on the sand - that heard gun fire, should know as fact, and not just guess, where or from whom the gun shots where being fired from.

Something is very clear and you state it and I've been harping on it. OUt of control criminals who defy authority do not get to escalate situations here. It doesn't matter if the pursuit was high speed or not. Nothing else matters, if a violent criminal commits a violent crime, fights with authorities, takes them on a pursuit, defies them more, and then runs like a crazed lunatic towards a public beach full of people that guy will get shot.

it's not rocket science.

And not to mention this could very well be suicide by cop.

Why did you wait 6+ days after experiencing this event to post about it?

[bronco67]

right or wrong, that person puts his own life at risk. that's not top secret knowledge here, again, the cops are real deal here.

Shooting someone who isn't shooting at you isn't real deal. That's just fear based behavior.

[bean-aid]

^^by that line of thinking everyone should get shot and killed by pigs.

It is a very sad story for the state, makee the entire country look like we are run by incompetent, trigger happy repressed losers who watch too much fucking tv.... likely reruns of john wayne.

Fuck the police, fuck the swat, fuck the feds... ass fucking loser holes with heads stuck up eachothers ass fucking holes.

[dyna mo]

Shooting someone who isn't shooting at you isn't real deal. That's just fear based behavior.

this is a fear-based world. cops can't be held to a higher standard.

again, this isn't my opinion, it's an observation on reality.

[bean-aid]

It is not fear... it is called power complex syndrome combined with no competent chain of command. If i was a kid of any one of those cops i would run the fuck away from home and never return. It is disgusting behavior.

[dyna mo]

Shooting someone who isn't shooting at you isn't real deal. That's just fear based behavior.

and i disagree. Ask a cop who got in a altercation with a violent criminal brandishing a crazy weapon of some sort that's not a gun but very much lethal.



let's say I was a parent with my children on that beach over a week ago and the cops let this spiral out of control and this guy takes my child hostage with the scissors he's using as a weapon. no.

[MaDalton]

when you say it's justified then why doesn't it happen all over the (civilized) world but only in the US?

when your police only knows one solution which is shoot first and kill, your police sucks

[dyna mo]

when you say it's justified then why doesn't it happen all over the (civilized) world but only in the US?

when your police only knows one solution which is shoot first and kill, your police sucks

I'm surprised you're going with such a generalized, sweeping, over-arching, stereotyping label.

Not to mention, they did not shoot first and kill in this scenario. this sitatuation dragged out and escalated. They had plenty of time to shoot and kill him before it got completely out of hand, yet they didn;t.

And show me any country with civilian guns where the police policy is to wait to be shot at.

[dyna mo]

I'm also real curious how those of you siding with the violent criminal here think this should have been handled, just have a foot chase with that guy running into the crowd of families and people on that beach?

[pornguy]

From most of the videos it looks really bad.

Sad thing is. We were NOT there. Not even the people that were above in appartments or what ever. simply put they saw a small portion. Only the cops and the dead guy know the story 100%. So now its down to finding out as best as can be what happened.

As for shooting with the non lethal rounds thats 100% justified. I believe in Cali anything more than passive resistance justifies non lethal. the minute the guy ran it became more than passive.

Dog was the next step and I bet you that the handler of the Dog is calling for every cop that shot to be suspended. They could have killed his dog when the dog would have easily caught the guy.

Cluster fuck all the way around.

[bean-aid]

Dyna mo.... he was running like a total fag and super tight clothes... how in the fuck was he even considered to be a threat?

I remember when situations like this were taken care of with a punch or a girl with reason. Now... it literally takes an army and lots of bulllets.

You are going to lose this argument and have egg on face if you continue with your stance.

[MaDalton]

I'm surprised you're going with such a generalized, sweeping, over-arching, stereotyping label.

Not to mention, they did not shoot first and kill in this scenario. this sitatuation dragged out and escalated. They had plenty of time to shoot and kill him before it got completely out of hand, yet they didn;t.

And show me any country with civilian guns where the police policy is to wait to be shot at.

so guns are a problem?

if someone obviously does not have a gun and is shooting at the police, i dont think there is any justification for shooting him to death without a warning shot first.

in the worst case shoot him in the leg when he really does not want to cooperate and you think he's a threat - but shooting him 10 or 20 times? please...

[dyna mo]

Dyna mo.... he was running like a total fag and super tight clothes... how in the fuck was he even considered to be a threat?

I remember when situations like this were taken care of with a punch or a girl with reason. Now... it literally takes an army and lots of bulllets.

You are going to lose this argument and have egg on face if you continue with your stance.

I'm going to have gfy egg on my face because I don't side with the criminal in this situation?

OK.


and you rememember situations where a guy fights with authorities, takes them on a chase, defies an overwhelming force and runs like a crazed criminal towards a beach packed with families being handled via a punch or a sweet talking girl?

[Rochard]

when you say it's justified then why doesn't it happen all over the (civilized) world but only in the US?

when your police only knows one solution which is shoot first and kill, your police sucks

But they didn't shoot first.

The man was detained by security at a local store for shoplifting, he resisted and assaulted the security staff there, police were called and they were assault. A car chase took place, the man armed himself with a bat or a stick, and police tried to take him down (somewhat) peacefully by using a taser which had no effect. The man was heading to a populated area, was armed with a bat or stick or something, and had already assaulted multiple people. Police thought they saw him reach for another weapon and took him out - he was a threat to society at that point.

This wasn't the police rolling up and shooting him. This was a half hour or longer of trying to get this man restrained so he didn't hurt someone.

Don't tell me it doesn't happen anywhere else - A quick scan of google tells me it's happened recently in Iceland, UK, Ireland, Romaina....

[dyna mo]

so guns are a problem?

if someone obviously does not have a gun and is shooting at the police, i dont think there is any justification for shooting him to death without a warning shot first.

in the worst case shoot him in the leg when he really does not want to cooperate and you think he's a threat - but shooting him 10 or 20 times? please...

they shot this guy 10-20 times? you're expecting a human being to shoot this guy in the leg here? like split-second thinking, timing and shooting? really? that's not realistic.

[L-Pink]

If he reaches the beach and stabs someone then the real shit-storm would have hit with lawsuits flying.

[bean-aid]

Only in +2010 does in take an army and massive artillary to detain a shop lifter. Im sure he was an asshole and resisted arrest, doesnt change the fact that the cops in cali are pussies.

I am out of this convo...

[dyna mo]

there was no army and there was no massive artillery.

[crockett]

no, it's not ok to commit a violent crime, lead police on a high speed pursuit, not obey the order of an overwhelming presence of police while holding out in the car, exit the vehicle agressively with a club of some sort and then continue to defy authority as you go on a crazy scramble run to get away. YOu don't get to do that shit here.

right or wrong, that person puts his own life at risk. that's not top secret knowledge here, again, the cops are real deal here.

You don't get to do it, but it doesn't equate to a death sentence carried out by the LAPD as judge, jury and executioner.. He had nothing in his hands when he was shot dead.

[crockett]

so guns are a problem?

if someone obviously does not have a gun and is shooting at the police, i dont think there is any justification for shooting him to death without a warning shot first.

in the worst case shoot him in the leg when he really does not want to cooperate and you think he's a threat - but shooting him 10 or 20 times? please...

They shoot them 20 times, so there is no apposing argument to what they claim happened.

[dyna mo]

You don't get to do it, but it doesn't equate to a death sentence carried out by the LAPD as judge, jury and executioner.. He had nothing in his hands when he was shot dead.

He was a violent criminal escalating a violent situation and expanding it both across time and distance, defying an overwhelming contingent of law enforcement and running like a crazed violent criminal towards a beach full of families.

He's dead now and that's a good thing.