U.S.: Russian planes flew near California, Guam, in upped activity

[brassmonkey]

get ready people

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of U.S. air forces in the Pacific said on Monday that Russia's intervention in Ukraine had been accompanied by a significant increase in Russian air activity in the Asia-Pacific region in a show of strength and to gather intelligence.

General Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle said the activity had included Russian flights to the coast of California, and around the U.S. Pacific island of Guam.

Carlisle said the number of long-range Russian patrols around the Japanese islands and Korea had increased "drastically." He said there had also been "a lot more ship activity as well."

Speaking at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, Carlisle showed a slide of a U.S. F-15 fighter jet intercepting a Russian "Bear" aircraft over Guam. He used the Cold War NATO name for Russia's Tupolov Tu-95 strategic bomber.

"Certainly what's going on in Ukraine and Crimea is a challenge for us and it's a challenge for us in Asia Pacific as well as Europe," Carlisle said.

He said there had been "a significant" increase in Russian activity in the Asia Pacific "and we relate a lot of that to what's going on in the Ukraine."

"They've come with their long-range aviation out to the coast of California, they've circumnavigated Guam," he said.

"That's to demonstrate their capability to do it, it's to gather intel," Carlisle said, adding that the surveillance had included observation of military exercises involving U.S. forces in South Korea and Japan.

"There are things that are concerning with respect to how they operate and how transparent they are with other nations in the vicinity," he said.

Carlisle did not give details of the incidents and the Defense Department and the U.S. Air Force and Navy in the Pacific did not immediately respond to a request for more information.

Mike Green, senior vice president for Asia at CSIS, said the frequency of incidents was up and described them as being "evocative of the Cold War".

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in 2007 that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace that were suspended in 1992 after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Putin, who made the announcement during a joint military exercise with China, said the move was necessary to guarantee Russia's safety and that other nations had not followed Moscow's example in suspending such flights.

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[crockett]

This is something the Russians always did and we returned the favor by meeting them with fighter jets. It's typical cold war jargon..

Russia's old allies are slowly moving toward the west and Putin is acting out like a short North Korean dictator.

Even Iran came forward today, to say they would willingly sell gas to European nations if Russia tried to raise the prices.. Iran of all countries it seems a long political friend of Russia is even moving further toward the west.

[dyna mo]

The world is holding back
The time has come to
The world is holding back
The time has come to

The world is holding back




The time has come to galvanize

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by crockett

This is something the Russians always did and we returned the favor by meeting them with fighter jets. It's typical cold war jargon..

Russia's old allies are slowly moving toward the west and Putin is acting out like a short North Korean dictator.

Even Iran came forward today, to say they would willingly sell gas to European nations if Russia tried to raise the prices.. Iran of all countries it seems a long political friend of Russia is even moving further toward the west.

bomber gets shot down no going home

[evy97]

Originally Posted by crockett

This is something the Russians always did and we returned the favor by meeting them with fighter jets. It's typical cold war jargon..

Russia's old allies are slowly moving toward the west and Putin is acting out like a short North Korean dictator.

Even Iran came forward today, to say they would willingly sell gas to European nations if Russia tried to raise the prices.. Iran of all countries it seems a long political friend of Russia is even moving further toward the west.

Are you really naturally stupid or someone pays you to be stupid? Too many nonsense posts

[seeandsee]

just nuke the planet!

[Rochard]

Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Meaning... If the US wanted to invade Russia they could do so quickly by sending US and NATO troops across Europe. Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy and would have a difficult time sending troops across the Pacific in enough numbers to do any damage, and we would see them coming a mile away... It's not like it's the 1940s and entire fleets can go off the grid for months at a time.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

just nuke the planet!

yeah*

[MK Ultra]

Putin had better be careful, if he pushes Obama too far he'll find himself on the receiving end of a very strongly-worded tweet!

[PornDiscounts-V]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Meaning... If the US wanted to invade Russia they could do so quickly by sending US and NATO troops across Europe. Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy and would have a difficult time sending troops across the Pacific in enough numbers to do any damage, and we would see them coming a mile away... It's not like it's the 1940s and entire fleets can go off the grid for months at a time.

I miss those days.

[evy97]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Meaning... If the US wanted to invade Russia they could do so quickly by sending US and NATO troops across Europe. Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy and would have a difficult time sending troops across the Pacific in enough numbers to do any damage, and we would see them coming a mile away... It's not like it's the 1940s and entire fleets can go off the grid for months at a time.

There will never be war between NATO and Russia Topol-M guarantees it

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by evy97

There will never be war between NATO and Russia Topol-M guarantees it

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

[Vendzilla]

Strong leader, Reagan, cold war ends

Weak leader, Obama, cold war starts back up

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

Yeah, but can we shoot down all the nukes they can throw at us? Let's say 20% get thru, you want to be on the receiving end?

One sub carries 24 ICBM missle's and they have a bunch of new subs that carry 16 each.

I've been in the middle of the cold war, no thanks

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Putin had better be careful, if he pushes Obama too far he'll find himself on the receiving end of a very strongly-worded tweet!

omg how rude !

[evy97]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

This guy sounds like a retard ˄˄

Topol-M is the world's fastest nuclear missile.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Submarines, they have a new class

Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy.

You need to read more

The Cold War era Soviet Navy maintained naval forces able to rival those of the United States Navy, however, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the fleet experienced a severe decline due to lack of funding. In 2012, President Vladimir Putin announced an increase in spending to the Russian Navy as part of a long-term intention to recreate a blue-water navy. One analyst has mentioned that as opposed to the Cold War era and the dominance of Atlantic and North Sea operations, Russia's strategic emphasis has shifted towards the Pacific regions where a rising China and a US shift in policy from the Atlantic to the Pacific are potential threats. In January 2013 the Russian Defense ministry announced it would stage the largest naval war exercises for the Russian Navy since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were held in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea. Ships from as far away as the Russian Pacific Fleet also took part.


It's well into 2014, you still think they don't have a blue water navy?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by evy97

This guy sounds like a retard ˄˄

Topol-M is the world's fastest nuclear missile.

a retard thinks a topol-m would be fired on a russian neighbor NATO country. regardless of how fast it is.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Strong leader, Reagan, cold war ends

Weak leader, Obama, cold war starts back up

You can't even make a post on this forum with out somehow telling everyone how much you hate Obama. It's cool dude we all get it. You hate the guy, and you are obsessed with him, go see a shrink because this much obsession leads to no good. You are like a crack addict where you can't get by with out your fix.


You will with a heart attack by the time you hit 50 with this much hate built up in you.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah, but can we shoot down all the nukes they can throw at us? Let's say 20% get thru, you want to be on the receiving end?

One sub carries 24 ICBM missle's and they have a bunch of new subs that carry 16 each.

I've been in the middle of the cold war, no thanks

we were all in n the middle of the cold war. I'm not talking mutually assured destruction/nuclear war. I'm talking about a more realistic conventional war.

the post i referenced was re: the topol-m being used against nato as some sort of deterrent, which is laughable.

[pornmasta]

why can't we just make a global war just for the fun of it ?

[dyna mo]

ahqahahah, was just reading a bit about the topol-m, it's 1980s technology. ahahahahahah. it's already past the end of it's lifecycle.

who gives a shit how fast it is if it's going to fizzle out on the pad.

Topol-M development began in the 1980s, when Soviet military planners anticipated U.S. deployment of missile defenses under the auspices of President Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative.

[pornmasta]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-24_Yars

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

ahqahahah, was just reading a bit about the topol-m, it's 1980s technology. ahahahahahah. it's already past the end of it's lifecycle.

who gives a shit how fast it is if it's going to fizzle out on the pad.

Most of their Navy is 1980's & 90's technology and a large portion of it is sitting dry docked. Much of it is "scheduled" to be upgraded & modernized, but of course that takes money and time.

Russia has money but not the kind of money to finance large Naval fleets like it used to do. They currently have only 1 aircraft carrier, that should give an idea of what their navy is capable of and most of their subs are sitting in the docks.

Their Navy consists of just over 100k men and that includes their marines.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

Sure. Russia still uses the US space rockets to reach the orbit ;) What do you smoke, dude?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Most of their Navy is 1980's & 90's technology and a large portion of it is sitting dry docked. Much of it is "scheduled" to be upgraded & modernized, but of course that takes money and time.

Russia has money but not the kind of money to finance large Naval fleets like it used to do. They currently have only 1 aircraft carrier, that should give an idea of what their navy is capable of and most of their subs are sitting in the docks.

Their Navy consists of just over 100k men and that includes their marines.

that's where I was coming from earlier with my post about russian military tech being way behind.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Sure. Russia still uses the US space rockets to reach the orbit ;) What do you smoke, dude?

whatever i smoke i need more of it to decipher this post.

[evy97]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

ahqahahah, was just reading a bit about the topol-m, it's 1980s technology. ahahahahahah. it's already past the end of it's lifecycle.

who gives a shit how fast it is if it's going to fizzle out on the pad.

Man, you are really an idiot or clueless.

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997–present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Submarines, they have a new class



You need to read more

The Cold War era Soviet Navy maintained naval forces able to rival those of the United States Navy, however, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the fleet experienced a severe decline due to lack of funding. In 2012, President Vladimir Putin announced an increase in spending to the Russian Navy as part of a long-term intention to recreate a blue-water navy. One analyst has mentioned that as opposed to the Cold War era and the dominance of Atlantic and North Sea operations, Russia's strategic emphasis has shifted towards the Pacific regions where a rising China and a US shift in policy from the Atlantic to the Pacific are potential threats. In January 2013 the Russian Defense ministry announced it would stage the largest naval war exercises for the Russian Navy since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were held in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea. Ships from as far away as the Russian Pacific Fleet also took part.


It's well into 2014, you still think they don't have a blue water navy?

Very good Vendzilla... You can quote Wikipedia, which says that Russia has a "potential" blue water navy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy.

You know exactly what a blue water navy is, and that Russia does not have it. The United States has ships on deployment around the world on a continued basis, yet when Russia sends a single ship to Cuba it's front page news in the US.

They don't even have a single aircraft carrier.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's where I was coming from earlier with my post about russian military tech being way behind.

Yea, they have the potential to slowly gear back up, but even if every ship they still have commissioned was ready to go, they would still be only maybe 1/4 the size of the US and with older ships/tech. Not to mention crews lacking training experience.


Russia just doesn't have the money it needs to play on the world stage with it's military. They are a regional power that happens to have lots of nukes. Their only real threat is all out nuclear war but in that case everyone is fucked anyway..

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by evy97

Man, you are really an idiot.

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997?present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

we know the real answer for russia because of the nsa, for usa, it is still secret...

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by evy97

Man, you are really an idiot.

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997?present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

He's just high IMHO

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by evy97

Man, you are really an idiot or clueless.

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997?present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

umm, brainiac, we've spent close to $10 billion dollars completely updating/upgrading/redoing exisiting mmIII missiles.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...025-afns01.htm

you dipshits haven't done jackshit to update, those m-topols are past the end of their lifecycle, regardless of the propaganda you suck up like a sponge.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Yea, they have the potential to slowly gear back up, but even if every ship they still have commissioned was ready to go, they would still be only maybe 1/4 the size of the US and with older ships/tech. Not to mention crews lacking training experience.


Russia just doesn't have the money it needs to play on the world stage with it's military. They are a regional power that happens to have lots of nukes. Their only real threat is all out nuclear war but in that case everyone is fucked anyway..

exactly. russia is moer than ready to try and kick it's neighbor's asses. other than that. it's got ~1800 ICBMs with cobwebs on em pointed at the USA.

[pornmasta]

stop this shit, you bunch of faggots, press on teh red button now and let's talk about the result at the end of the week.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He's just high IMHO

not high enough to actually believe the topol-m is a NATO defense weapon.

y'all must have some good shit over there to buy into that sort of thinking

[evy97]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

we know the real answer for russia because of the nsa, for usa, it is still secret...

It must be a very big secret bc US lost without russian rocket technology.

How Russia could strangle the US space program

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted this-> http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...ng-leap-n92616

"After analyzing the sanctions against our space industry, I suggest to the USA to bring their astronauts to the International Space Station using a trampoline,"

[crockett]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Sure. Russia still uses the US space rockets to reach the orbit ;) What do you smoke, dude?

NASA has nothing to do with the US military outside of NASA rockets are usually used to launch military satellites into orbit. The fact that the US doesn't have a current manned space flight has nothing to do with military and everything to do with gearing up for the future.

NASA is currently working on our next manned system, hell my Aunt works on it. However the US govt & NASA has also been helping fund commercial space flight with-in the private sector.

While yes it's true we retired the Shuttle before it's replacement was ready, our space program will however come out very far ahead in the near future, as manned missions to other planets will be the next forefront and that's what NASA is gearing up for.

You can only learn and gain so much by orbiting the planet in a space station. You have to go to other planets or other orbiting bodies to make further progress at this point. We can still send satellites into space on a routine schedule and hell even the air force has it's little projects like unmanned drones in space. Our space program is very much alive and doing well, we just have a different focus and are working on it's expansion to other planets.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not high enough to actually believe the topol-m is a NATO defense weapon.

What are you talking about? Did you read my post?

Hint: try to focus your eyes at the screen when reading.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by evy97

It must be a very big secret bc US lost without russian rocket technology.

How Russia could strangle the US space program

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted this-> http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...ng-leap-n92616

sounds like a butthurt russian bureaucrat mad because sanctions are going to come right out of the money he's siphoning for himself out of the program.

and it's funny to think russians think keeping USA astronauts from the international space station is some sort of deterrent to sanctions.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

What are you talking about? Did you read my post?

Hint: try to focus your eyes at the screen when reading.

of course, here I'll walk you through it since you are getting confused trying to follow along 2 posts:

you stated:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

He's just high IMHO

I read it and replied:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

not high enough to actually believe the topol-m is a NATO defense weapon.

y'all must have some good shit over there to buy into that sort of thinking

[Tom_PM]

Seems to me that Russia grew balls after Ed Snowden started hanging out there.

Conspiracy theorists, where are you?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Seems to me that Russia grew balls after Ed Snowden started hanging out there.

I was thinking the same thing

Perhaps in all that data Snowden stole from us, and gave to Russia, there were some serious deficiencies in our defenses that we ( the public ) don't know about yet. Maybe enough that, after being embarrassed in front of the world during the last Olympics Putin is saying "fuck it, I'm getting old, I know their weaknesses, let's do this!" ?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

They don't even have a single aircraft carrier.

Wrong again
They do have one aircraft carrier



http://russian-ships.info/eng/today/

14 SSBN's, that's enough to take out the eastern sea board and that's if only a small % of them get thru.

3 heavy guided missile cruisers, those are damn big

They have a new class of SSBN, that's what we call a BOOMER, has 16 ICBM's on it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

we were all in n the middle of the cold war. I'm not talking mutually assured destruction/nuclear war. I'm talking about a more realistic conventional war.

the post i referenced was re: the topol-m being used against nato as some sort of deterrent, which is laughable.

I was saying that because I was part of the front line.

I never learned much about land based weapons, but at the time of the cold war, I knew more than you can dig up about the soviet fleet.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Wrong again
They do have one aircraft carrier



http://russian-ships.info/eng/today/

14 SSBN's, that's enough to take out the eastern sea board and that's if only a small % of them get thru.

3 heavy guided missile cruisers, those are damn big

They have a new class of SSBN, that's what we call a BOOMER, has 16 ICBM's on it.

get your gear dogg you need to train gfy. my guns are still warm no issues with me shooting. im ready

[pimpmaster9000]

LOL@ the "russia cant touch the USA they are too far behind, the USA holds a monopoly on intelligence" crew

reality: a few arabs flew some planes in to WTC and the USA is basically like israel now

so the US army spent trillions developing your i-defense system brought to you by the same government that made your i-healthcare and your i-education...I mean its bound to be great isnt it?

the russians do not even have to deliver 1% of their nukes on your soil you will still end up like "the walking dead" because americans have thin skin, the end...

not to mention bacterial weapons that the russians have 1000%...you are a stupid mother fucker if you think for one single second that such a plan is not already in place, just in case the nukes dont make it...an amp of bacteria is not hard to smuggle across...

reality: the whole US army is worthless against russia...be nice to putin and bully the little countries only, stay away from the big boys and you will be fine

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

LOL@ the "russia cant touch the USA they are too far behind, the USA holds a monopoly on intelligence" crew

reality: a few arabs flew some planes in to WTC and the USA is basically like israel now

so the US army spent trillions developing your i-defense system brought to you by the same government that made your i-healthcare and your i-education...I mean its bound to be great isnt it?

the russians do not even have to deliver 1% of their nukes on your soil you will still end up like "the walking dead" because americans have thin skin, the end...

not to mention bacterial weapons that the russians have 1000%...you are a stupid mother fucker if you think for one single second that such a plan is not already in place, just in case the nukes dont make it...an amp of bacteria is not hard to smuggle across...

reality: the whole US army is worthless against russia...be nice to putin and bully the little countries only, stay away from the big boys and you will be fine

Because "big boys" you refer to are afraid of Gay people and don't allow cursing in music & TV right?

It's all propaganda. All of our governments do this. As common people we should not be so easily manipulated and be sure to keep our own minds

[dyna mo]

of course there are mutually assured destruction plans.


we have plenty too,, whoopie.

and you think Americans would have thin skin over a 1% nuke attack? what blast crater have you been living in?





Don't get me wrong, I like Russians and am dissapointed in having to cancel a forthcoming trip there. And I am certainly against war and violence.

But my initial point still stands, since perestroika, Russia has fallen even farther behind with its military tech and might than before it while all we;ve done is grow ours exponentially. For example, the 500+ military bases we have surrounding Russia.

etc,. et al, on & on. I could go on & on, this is 2014, you can't get away with the bullshit kruschev and the other knuckleheads bullshitted US and the world with re: your military ability during the pre-perstroika cold war.

[just a punk]

Do you really think that aircraft carriers are so important nowadays? Especially for a deeply continental country like Russia which is not surrounded by oceans. Yeah they were extremely powerful thing in the middle of 20th century. They also very useful in conflicts with small banana countries. In case of military conflicts with nuclear countries they just useless.

Vendzilla, as a former sailor, you must know that both former Soviet Union and modern Russia have the same military doctrine on aircraft carriers: tactical nukes and nothing else. The real war against superpowers will be all about nuclear missiles. Russia and the States have almost the same amount of strategic nukes. However Russia has a way more tactical ones, because it's a continental country and must be ready to fight against any potential enemy right near its border on even inside (e.g. "Базальт", "Вулкан", "Яхонт/Оникс" for sea launch and "Точка-У", "Искандер" etc for land launch).