Most dogs would never bite someone. My Lab can seem like a ferocious guard dog, but he'd probably lick the guy who breaks into my house. But, at least I'd know the guy is coming in so I can grab my bat. He's a brown, furry alarm system.

My kind of guard dog.

Same with my lab, they broke into my car and I am sure he heard it but was probably to lazy to bark and alarm us. Fucker!

You are missing the point, I said a major reason is for protection, I never said solely, you are trying so hard to prove a point against me, you miss the point

Bronco67 gets the point.

L-Pink gets the point.

Roald gets the point, but his dog didn't see it as a danger. I'm sure he would let you know if anyone came in the house. Labs are good dogs.





People get dogs for all sorts of reasons, but they depend on them to announce if someone is breaking in the house, even to let them know someone is at the front door. A toy poodle is better than most any alarm system.

Look in Holland where you say you live
http://www.k9trainers.com/holland.htm

They train protection dogs


I've had the following breeds
Weimaraner - couldn't swim
Vizla- too damn hyper
French Masthiff - Funny dog
German Shepard - Patrolled the property
Border Collie - Smartest dog ever, very protective of children, herded them together to keep an eye on them.
Bull Mastiff- ate more food than most could afford
Black Newfoundland- This one didn't bark, but killed anything that came in the back yard
Dog also smiled, which scared people
I don't have one right now, but thinking about getting something

I understand you are unusually irrational. I also get that in these discussions, you are really expressing affection for your animal and emotional attachments and not really trying to make a valid point. And though instant flashes of moral intuition and intuitive emotions/responses guide the bulk of our decisions through those initial flashes of emotions we feel and where everything said after the fact is often little more than a nonsense post hoc rationalization of the emotion.... there are those who such as yourself who are wholly incapable of later engaging rational reasoning to at least attempt to use reason to rationalize the emotion and the manner in which you irrationally expressed it.

Never the less... i am going to try to help you with some obvious, indisputable facts, knowing full well that it will certainly be in vain.

This is all very simple stuff.

It is all Basic Genetics 101.

You can take any group of animals, select the ones with the traits you desire (aggression) and breed it with animals with similar traits and in a few generations, you have a completely different animal with new behavioral traits.

This stuff has been done since the beginning of time.

Here is a very common scenario with certain breeds such as pitbulls.

Dogs have been bred to fight.
Dogs that like to fight attracts dickheads who think its cool to own such dogs.
Dickhead knows other dickheads with ill tempered pitbulls.
Dickheads are proud of their aggressive animals
Dickheads are likely to breed their aggressive/large animals to create more aggressive large animals.
... and on it goes

That doesn't mean every single pitbull is bad. It means the genes are out there. It means the genes for aggressive behavior in certain breeds are always out there and always spreading.

But its pretty fucking obvious that when cunts gravitate towards pitbulls, there is always going to be an increased likelihood of them having animals that are ill tempered, aggressive and they will be more likely to be bred to similar animals... creating more of the same and worse. Those animals are then out there breeding with other animals. Just because a particular animal does not visibly possess certain behavioral traits, does not mean those traits are not in his genes and are not being passed along to other similar and dissimilar breeds.

It's also quite insane to pretend this has not happened to a great extent in the past with certain breeds, such as pitbulls... particularly when these dogs are and have been specifically bred to fight.

Pretending animals don't have genetic behavioral traits requires an irretrievably deluded perspective (i.e. a sheepdog will instinctively try to herd anything around it that moves - in spite of having no prior exposure or training to herd anything).

A simple fact of genetics is that any individual here could create a crazy strong, violent and aggressive dog through breeding alone and it can be done in just a few generations of proper selective breeding.... and it will not matter in the slightest bit how good the owners are with the dog when their genes are wired for certain behavioral traits and dispositions. They can act out violently at any moment, regardless,... as they frequently do.

Additionally, just because someone can point out attacks from Lab happen - that doesn't mean those tendencies didn't originate from a pitbull or animals specifically bred to be agressive in its lineage.

There is a reason we all do not own tigers or rattlesnakes or grizzly bears and are not constantly say "its the owners, not the grizzly bears - so we need to stop all this grizzly bear specific legislation" - Animals are exactly what their genetics and environment made them to be. We, as with animals are all the product of genes+environment. It's not an "either / or" discussion. With certain breeds, there is undeniably bad owners and bad owners selecting (intentionally or not) for bad genes.

wrong. Also not a major reason. Maybe 1 in 100 people get a dog where the major reason is protection. 99 our of 100 get a dog because they think it's fun. You are thick and remind me of Sleazydream, he never understood anything either.

Well at least you are saying "major" again.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Every dog I have EVER seen will bark or do something if a noise happens in the middle of the night in a persons house.

A major reason people have dogs is to feel protected, that's the first line
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=2019

A valid point would be to say that if I owned a Pitt Bull, I wouldn't let it around children unless I was there. I would train the dog like every dog I have trained. I would never let any dog run around other people without a leash.

This isn't emotional, it's educated. I've been around large dogs most of my life, the most aggressive are chihuahua's and toy poodles. The most dangerous are any large dog that wants to protect their owner. Pit bulls do not have the most powerful bite, rottweilers have a much more powerful bite. They can be just as aggressive.

I grew up with a father who was a major hunter. We always had dogs (Labrador Retrievers) that led two lives, house pets and hunting companions for my father. My father always took great pains finding dogs with hunting backgrounds in their lineage. It was obvious from 10 weeks on the dogs just "got/understood" what game my father was training them for.

Training and environment is important but training a dog with the right DNA traits is much easier and natural. To say Pit-Bulls aren't pre disposed to be aggressive is to ignore basic dog breeding facts.


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I agree with you. The dog in the little rascals was a pit. it was called the nurse maid breed because it was so good with kids. its not the dog, its these pieces of shit that misbreed them and think its cool to have an aggressive dog.

Boston Terriers were originally breed to be fighting dogs. Things can be breed in and breed out as Squealer stated its the breeding.

dogs are delicious :)

The same people look down the barrel of a gun to see if it's loaded

You actually made me laugh out loud. Thanks brother.:thumbsup

You're very welcome

Dogs are a serious matter to me. I have trained dogs for a good chunk of my life, not professionally, just the dogs I had. My Border collie would get you a tissue if you sneezed. My french mastiff would walk without a leash next to my side as we went on walks. Even other barking dogs didn't effect that dog.
Living in a condo now, no yard really. I figure I will retire to the mountains and get a good dog then. To me a dog has to weigh over 50 lbs to be a fit for me. Border collie is as small as I would ever want

My spouse and i wouldn't place down the dog.

I have a boxer pitt mix and she hasn't been on a leash in years. The only word I need to say is heel and boom she's right by my knee. I did spent $1500 on a dog trainer who then became my friend. Thank goodness I called her. I worked very hard as did my dogs with there training as I didn't want an unruly dog.


I don't have either of my dogs around kids.

My Uncle helped me train my first dog, it takes a lot of your time, but you end up with a great companion. I never used common words for commands. Funny is most of my commands I used were from being around horses as a kid. Instead of heel, I would say Ho. My dogs wouldn't listen to others. And if a kid came up that the dog didn't know, I would tell the kids to keep their distance unless I could introduce them to my dog.

It does take alot of time but if you take the time any breed of dog can be a great one.


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Do we have a new page?

I bet he's gonna have to wear a pink collar...

I believe a breed has to fit the owner.

I could never train a few breeds out there. Vizla are too high strung. I like hunting or working dogs most

Take it easy and have a bran muffin or something. Geezuz.

As an animal lover, I have a problem with both, but I agree that putting him down is probably better for everyone, dog included, than keeping him in a cage for the rest of his life.

I don't like Pit Bulls at all, but I'll bet that this dog does not understand why he is in jail, or even that he did anything wrong. Pit Bulls can be vicious dogs. Maybe its in their nature.

What I will say though is that owning a pt bull should come with extra responsibilities. If your dog attacks another person or animal, YOU are responsible for the damage it caused. This means paying any fines, paying damages, and going to jail.

On a side note, if you are one of those idiots who casturates their dog then buys artificial balls for it because you somehow think that a ball-less dog is in some way a reflection of your own personal manhood, then you should go to jail for twice the time just on principal.

Not all dogs are created equal. My 2-pound chihuahua spends the whole day with my son (8 years old), and I see no danger in it. BUT one of my models has a pit bull and she is forbidden to bring it to my house. Her dog is really cool and very friendly, but I don't trust him around my son.
If people actually took care of their kids, this kind of things wouldn't happen.

http://tchicks.com/stuff/deedee.jpg

You guys always regurgitate the same nonsense. Comparing a pit bull from 1920 to the backyard inbred pit bull of today is laughable. Those dogs have been destroyed, the genes are garbage and they should not be bred.

Isn't it just the opposite? I thought Pit Bulls were inbred, with breeders breeding the toughest, strongest dogs, no?

You made his point. He was referring to the comparisons of the gentle pit on "Little Rascals" with current pits.

As opposed to if it was another breed/dog?

I can just imagine a prison full of dogs... a bunch of them clueless as to why they are doing time, and half of them understanding and realising they did a bad thing. Those are the ones more likely to get parole, obviously.

Back to the ones with zero remorse or acceptance that what they did was wrong... I can even picture the documentary (dogumentary?) focusing on 3 or 4 of them, each telling the camera over and over: what these humans don't realise is that's nothing wrong with my behaviour... it's perfectly natural...they need to get with the program and understand that.

Camera pans out, forlorn dog is looking through a barred window, unblinking...sad but powerful music leads into fade, into credits...