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blackmonsters 05-02-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20071991)
Everywhere is risks, however real estate would still be valuable and even if you do not do smart investment you would have solid/stable income stream for living expenses. That is why I advocate investing at least 10% into something that won't go away. And then you are welcome to blow the rest 90%. Just have SOMETHING left, that would make you living money :)
Or another simple idea in real estate - you build some condo building, take penthouse for yourself (that you would own after your money stops) and rent rest of the apartments. And you have it. It is very simple to create some stable income for the worst case scenario (if you blow or miss-invest the rest).
If I was accountant/lawyer of some athlete I would MAKE them do that.

Maybe he invested all his money in residential real estate in Detroit.


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L-Pink 05-02-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20071960)
You have experience in real estate investing and have been successful apparently but i was talking about someone who has zero experience doing the same thing in my example. I'm not saying that would happen, i was using that as an example as what could happen to someone if they didn't know what they were doing.

The worst thing you can do investment wise is invest in something you know nothing about.

Note: A former NBA player owns more than 250 Wendy's and Chili's restaurants. He bought one, worked there during the off season cooking fries and mopping floors to learn the business.


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ShowMe69 05-02-2014 10:26 AM

broke is a relative term, I highly doubt Eric is broke in the sense of $0, he is homeless probably because he sold his house and hasn't purchased another one.

dyna mo 05-02-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20071996)
Maybe he invested all his money in residential real estate in Detroit.


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didn't one of these sorts do something similar to that? I seem to recall one who tried to reinvigorate his home town and banrupted himself in so doing.

L-Pink 05-02-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20072002)
didn't one of these sorts do something similar to that? I seem to recall one who tried to reinvigorate his home town and banrupted himself in so doing.

Derrick Coleman:
Estimated Career Earnings: $91,000,000
How He Lost It All: When you make close to $100 million in your career go ahead and buy some jewelry, fur coats, and Bentley GT's?you deserve it. But, for the love of Isiah, don't take it upon yourself to stimulate Detroit's struggling economy. Coleman, who ended his career with the Pistons, lost a fortune attempting to create jobs and revitalize business opportunities in Motown during 2009 and 2010. Before labeling the Michigan native a martyr, it's important to note that Coleman's assets included two chinchilla coats (because it's cold in Detroit), 40 Rolex watches (bosses got to be on time), and a 1970 Chevy Nova (uh, what?).

dyna mo 05-02-2014 10:33 AM

also, the #s are always offon these things, athletes never see anywhere close to that big #. That $40m? Figure the athelete ended up with <1/2 that after financial planners, accountants, managers, agents, etc. all take their cuts first.

Just like building a web site, my programmer and designer get their cut before I see a fucking dime. That site goes belly up and I'm out money after spending all my dough on fancy designers. Ok, not exactly identical situation, but you get the gist. a lot of entities get their cut before the dude who makes that money.

dyna mo 05-02-2014 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20072011)
Derrick Coleman:
Estimated Career Earnings: $91,000,000
How He Lost It All: When you make close to $100 million in your career go ahead and buy some jewelry, fur coats, and Bentley GT's?you deserve it. But, for the love of Isiah, don't take it upon yourself to stimulate Detroit's struggling economy. Coleman, who ended his career with the Pistons, lost a fortune attempting to create jobs and revitalize business opportunities in Motown during 2009 and 2010. Before labeling the Michigan native a martyr, it's important to note that Coleman's assets included two chinchilla coats (because it's cold in Detroit), 40 Rolex watches (bosses got to be on time), and a 1970 Chevy Nova (uh, what?).

that guy!

to the topic:

Also, I think the other thing that's VERY difficult to consider here is the extreme other universe that level of wealth lives in. Getting paid $500k every 2 weeks being surrounded by yes men and all that hubbub is hard for peeps like us to comprehend.

Another thing, have you ever lost everything you've earned like one of these guys? If so, there's someone less than you who can't understand how you can have all you have and lose it like you did.

blackmonsters 05-02-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20072011)
Derrick Coleman:
Estimated Career Earnings: $91,000,000
How He Lost It All: When you make close to $100 million in your career go ahead and buy some jewelry, fur coats, and Bentley GT's?you deserve it. But, for the love of Isiah, don't take it upon yourself to stimulate Detroit's struggling economy. Coleman, who ended his career with the Pistons, lost a fortune attempting to create jobs and revitalize business opportunities in Motown during 2009 and 2010. Before labeling the Michigan native a martyr, it's important to note that Coleman's assets included two chinchilla coats (because it's cold in Detroit), 40 Rolex watches (bosses got to be on time), and a 1970 Chevy Nova (uh, what?).

I can't knock the guy for trying.
Seems like he was trying to solve a multi-Billion dollar problem though.

Spending $1 mil on jewelry and clothes seems normal when you have $100 Mil though.
1% of income on luxury would give me a 1/2 pack of smokes per day.

:1orglaugh

PR_Glen 05-02-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20071991)
Everywhere is risk, however real estate would still be valuable and even if you do not do smart investment you would have solid/stable income stream for living expenses. That is why I advocate investing at least 10% into something that won't go away. And then you are welcome to blow the rest 90%. Just have SOMETHING left, that would make you living money :)
Or another simple idea in real estate - you build some condo building, take penthouse for yourself (that you would own after your money stops) and rent rest of the apartments. And you have it. It is very simple to create some stable income for the worst case scenario (if you blow or miss-invest the rest).
If I was accountant/lawyer of some athlete I would MAKE them do that for their own good. And later on they would thank me and would recommend my services to other athletes etc. I think that there are some shady lawyers who take advantage of those people... As this is not that difficult to manage correctly, without losing 100%.

Nobody is disagreeing with you here, I have plans on doing something very similar myself, but I wouldn't do it without experienced successful advisor's guiding me along the way. Someone less cautious would not bother, or get their cousin to do it for them. if high intelligence was all that was needed for investing mathematicians and engineers would be the richest most powerful people on the planet. That isn't exactly the case is it?

Anyone here know any doctors or lawyers with debt issues? Or financial advisor's? I've known a few. I wouldn't call any of them fools--although i probably wouldn't hit them up for financial advise either ;)

beerptrol 05-02-2014 12:17 PM

Nothing new! Happens all the time. Maybe the NBAPA should focus on teaching players wealth management instead of worrying about what some rich white guy says to his gold digger gf

sandman! 05-02-2014 12:21 PM

its called being a dumbass :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

pornguy 05-02-2014 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20071410)
It's easy. You take a poor kid with shitty parents (or a single parent) who grew up with nothing and you suddenly give him a check for 8 figures... wrongly expecting them to behave as a rational, well parented, well educated and well taught adult.

Interestingly it happens to people that had good upbringings as well.

They dont think ahead. that 2 million dollar home costs a LOT more than 2 million. taxes, electricity, home care, lawn care etc.

then the toys the bragging and showing off etc.

Jman 05-02-2014 01:38 PM

He can always fall back with Vivid ;)

BareBacked 05-02-2014 03:09 PM

http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=broke

JA$ON 05-02-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20071404)
Between state, federal, local taxes and agent commissions he probably netted only about half of that. But still.


BTW, 60% of all NBA players are broke within 5 years of retirement. Those figures are worse for the NFL.


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Especially since the avg NFL career is 3 yrs and the avg salary is well under 1mm a yr. The avg guy might (after taxes / agents etc etc) make about 1-1.5 mm in his career.

not much at all :(

blackmonsters 05-02-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20072491)
Especially since the avg NFL career is 3 yrs and the avg salary is well under 1mm a yr. The avg guy might (after taxes / agents etc etc) make about 1-1.5 mm in his career.

not much at all :(

I don't know of anyone who made a large pay check for 2-3 years that didn't go broke if
they didn't find something else after those 2-3 years.

Matt 26z 05-02-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20071404)
BTW, 60% of all NBA players are broke within 5 years of retirement.

They are usually drained by their family.

Robbie 05-02-2014 05:15 PM

I know it sounds crazy...but 40 million isn't "really" all that much over the years. Now if it was 40 million PER year, yes.

When I was a kid in the 1960's it was said that if you had a million dollars you could never spend it all in your lifetime.

Money is so worthless now that it's not true anymore. Hell... a nice house is a million bucks.
A few nice cars and you've spent another million.

Then taxes will take over half your money (federal tax, state tax, county tax, property tax, and tax on everything you purchase).

The guy lived a nice lifestyle and now has nothing. He played in the NBA for 12 years. So he averaged less than 4 million a year gross.

Yeah...a few fucked up investments, a divorce or two...and you could easily lose all that money. Especially since a dollar of 2014 is only worth 13 cents in the year I was born.
Our money no longer has value, and the guy made some poor choices.

EDIT: He's still a young man by the way. No reason he doesn't go out and get a fucking job. :)

Lichen 05-07-2014 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20071398)
How do you earn 40 million and few years later have nothing?

Be a Negro.

L-Pink 05-07-2014 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20072491)
Especially since the avg NFL career is 3 yrs and the avg salary is well under 1mm a yr. The avg guy might (after taxes / agents etc etc) make about 1-1.5 mm in his career.

not much at all :(

Plus he might have knee/head/back injuries ??...

arock10 05-07-2014 07:38 AM

I bet there has never been anyone in adult who made a bunch off money and then tried offline businesses and went broke...

mOrrI 05-07-2014 07:45 AM

The more you have.....
The more you spend....

Or

Shit happens :|

blackmonsters 05-07-2014 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20078699)
I bet there has never been anyone in adult who made a bunch off money and then tried offline businesses and went broke...

No one ever actually loses all their money in adult because the money is always in motion.

:1orglaugh

lazycash 05-07-2014 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20071626)
I follow basketball so I know that 15 applies to majority. 12 years to absolute majority. However you should keep in mind that athletes who drop out of NBA can earn big money in Europe and now even in China.
Even in NBA it is 10 years for majority. I mean you can be starter for 5-7 years and then bench player for few more.

Again it does not matter, my point is that even if you have zero management skills you naturally improve in that department after few years. It is not one time money influx like in lotteries etc.

You're way off, the average career of an NBA player is 4.5 years. You're so focused on following the stars and their long careers that you don't realize that the majority are role players and are out of the league in 5 years. The problem is that many of the those players spent money as if they were going to play for 10-15 years. Playing overseas pays less than 1/30 of NBA salaries. The NFL and NBA both provide rookies with financial management seminars and financial mentoring, but ultimately its their decision with what to do with their check.

Watch this ESPN 30 for 30 about this very subject.


brentbacardi 05-07-2014 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20071519)
From the OP's link ...

Shawn Kemp
Estimated Career Earnings: $92,000,000
How He Lost It All: Before you complain about the price of condoms, read the story of Shawn Kemp. It could potentially save you $100,000,000. The Sonics forward fathered (at least) seven children by six women and lost most of his career earnings to child support. Now that $12 box of Trojan Fire and Ice jimmys doesn't seem like such a burden, does it?


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So I have every girl I ever fuck sign a contract that says they decline child support over $100 a month. And if it was ever awarded, they owe me the difference back every month. I would realistically probably try and be helpful above and beyond for important things but I am just protecting myself. If she wins the lotto or marries some rich dude, yeah I am not paying more than that. Fo realz.

Not sure why more famous dudes aren't doing this. It is legal. Also says they consented and shit too. Would save lots of famous dudes especially all the girl problems.

fuzebox 05-07-2014 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20072032)
Another thing, have you ever lost everything you've earned like one of these guys? If so, there's someone less than you who can't understand how you can have all you have and lose it like you did.

:thumbsup perspective is a good thing to have.

John-ACWM 05-08-2014 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eroticfem (Post 20071885)
He should write a book "How i wasted 40 million dollars" , he might earn another 40 mill to waste.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

kane 05-08-2014 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20071416)
With the high percentage of broke players you would think the players associations would push for contracts with long term payments.


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The players unions all have rookie financial camps where they have people come in and tell the players how to responsibly handle their money. These people are always on call for the players and can recommend others who will help them.

The problem is that they want the players to invest in tried and true boring things, like buying some real estate, investing in blue chip stocks, etc. The players want cool stuff like clothing lines, record labels and restaurants. Plus the end up trusting the wrong people with their money.

Add in agents fees, taxes, divorce, kids and other things and the money goes quickly.

There is no way the owners would ever go for long term contracts that pay out for many many years. They would never want to pay players who are no longer on the team. Sometimes it happens when a player restructures a contract for a long term deal that is guaranteed then gets hurt and has to leave the game or gets cut, but mostly the second the player can no longer play for that team the team is doing everything it can to separate itself from them financially.

kane 05-08-2014 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 20072270)
Interestingly it happens to people that had good upbringings as well.

They dont think ahead. that 2 million dollar home costs a LOT more than 2 million. taxes, electricity, home care, lawn care etc.

then the toys the bragging and showing off etc.

It is like winning the lottery. Many of the people who win the lottery are broke again in a few years.

I always think of the Bill Gates quote when it comes to stuff like this. He said, "Success is a terrible teacher because it makes smart people think they can't fail."

It is so true. A person is good at a sport so they also suddenly think they are a great businessman or smart investor. Someone wins the lottery and suddenly they think they can invent something and make millions more. In the end they fail badly.

HellOfaCock 05-08-2014 03:48 AM

These idiots have enough money to take a finance coach or something......Don't leave them alone with the money!

money biz 05-08-2014 04:23 AM

All the ex nba players got gambing problems. A few 50k month losses adds up quick. Even Jordan open about his gambling problems.

CarlosTheGaucho 05-08-2014 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20071517)
So don't players get recommendations for good lawyers? I would think at least the league should advice them in that matter.
Or if you say that Oscar has great lawyer - that means other sports people know that as well and they should hire the same guy. I mean he could be busy or exclusive with Oscar, but I mean - recommendations works..

According to De la Hoya's biography it was him who had to put a lot of effort into persuading his guy to even get into the sports / entertainment in the first place. He was also very particular about who was managing or promoting him throughout his career and wasn't afraid to make tough calls when required. Usually it's the other way around.

So it's not really up to the recommendation but keeping a sense of reality and being able to follow your gut, being able to make the right decision. That is of course majorly influenced by the people you're surrounded with - and in most cases keeping a sense of reality is exactly the last thing leeches want.

On one hand you have Evander Hollyfield who probably has to make $ XX.XXX a month just to pay his child support bills, on the other hand you have George Foreman who's reportedly turning in over $ 50 mil. a year in revenue just out of his fat reducing grill line alone - go figure.

Personality goes a long way.

money biz 05-08-2014 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 20079832)
According to De la Hoya's biography it was him who had to put a lot of effort into persuading his guy to even get into the sports / entertainment in the first place. He was also very particular about who was managing or promoting him throughout his career and wasn't afraid to make tough calls when required. Usually it's the other way around.

So it's not really up to the recommendation but keeping a sense of reality and being able to follow your gut, being able to make the right decision. That is of course majorly influenced by the people you're surrounded with - and in most cases keeping a sense of reality is exactly the last thing leeches want.

On one hand you have Evander Hollyfield who probably has to make $ XX.XXX a month just to pay his child support bills, on the other hand you have George Foreman who's reportedly turning in over $ 50 mil. a year in revenue just out of his fat reducing grill line alone - go figure.

Personality goes a long way.


hulk hogan was offered that grill first and turned it down.

Legendary Samir - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-08-2014 09:46 AM

Negros do not know how to manage money. But they can twerk the best. Well known fact.


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