More proof that Obama and Biden are our shapeshifting Lizard Overlords (from State of the Union)

[Harmon]

[wehateporn]

[Rochard]

Why didn't we notice this when they were running?

Originally Posted by wehateporn

This is true really.

I was taught in school that the US rode in and saved the day in WW2 when the truth was more like "too little, too late" and we were more of a distraction than anything else.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why didn't we notice this when they were running?



This is true really.

I was taught in school that the US rode in and saved the day in WW2 when the truth was more like "too little, too late" and we were more of a distraction than anything else.

Despite what Russians love to claim about how they defeated the Nazis by themselves and the current bash America trend from much of Europe, the US did in fact play vital rolls in winning WW2.

First of all we sent the Russians countless tanks, aircraft & trucks as well as weapons to support their war effort.

Second Russia was finished, it wasn't some great heroism that saved the day. The only reason Russia didn't fall in the end, was because both US & Brits pressuring the Germans in Africa.

When both US & British troops started turning the tide in Africa, Hitler sent much of the Luftwaffe there that was being used in Russia. Up until that point the Germans controlled the skies over Russia and were bombing the Russians into submission. When Hitler pulled most of the Luftwaffe out of Russia to go fight in Africa, it gave the Russians breathing room that let them fight back.

Hitler needed the oil from Africa and that's why British & US forces pressured him there which directly affected the fight in Europe including and greatly helping Russia.

The US played a major role in winning WWII and everyone knew it then, but seems many in their love to hate the USA of today, seem to love to forget the support we gave them then..

I wont even mention the US involvement in the Pacific.. can anyone even come up with a half ass argument that it wasn't the US whom was the key factor in winning that theater as well?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by crockett

Despite what Russians love to claim about how they defeated the Nazis by themselves and the current bash America trend from much of Europe, the US did in fact play vital rolls in winning WW2.

First of all we sent the Russians countless tanks, aircraft & trucks as well as weapons to support their war effort.

Second Russia was finished, it wasn't some great heroism that saved the day. The only reason Russia didn't fall in the end, was because both US & Brits pressuring the Germans in Africa.

When both US & British troops started turning the tide in Africa, Hitler sent much of the Luftwaffe there that was being used in Russia. Up until that point the Germans controlled the skies over Russia and were bombing the Russians into submission. When Hitler pulled most of the Luftwaffe out of Russia to go fight in Africa, it gave the Russians breathing room that let them fight back.

Hitler needed the oil from Africa and that's why British & US forces pressured him there which directly affected the fight in Europe including and greatly helping Russia.

The US played a major role in winning WWII and everyone knew it then, but seems many in their love to hate the USA of today, seem to love to forget the support we gave them then..

I wont even mention the US involvement in the Pacific.. can anyone even come up with a half ass argument that it wasn't the US whom was the key factor in winning that theater as well?

Not only is all of the above true, but an important other fact to note, is that ALL of the ground / countries that the Russians took back from the Germans was then KEPT by the Russians and held behind the iron curtain. They used the invasion of Russia as an excuse to expand their empire over people who weren't even attacking them.... whereas the US left Europe to govern itself after the war, AND paid to help rebuild it.

I hold the US government to blame for a hell of a lot of terrible things, but it isn't ALL bad, and all of the above is the truth.



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[deltav]

Okay, I'm a WWII buff and probably have read more than is healthy on the subject, just this month I've been refreshing my Eastern Front knowledge. I'll refrain from unleashing holy hell in this thread because I got work to do.

USA's Lend-Lease to the Russians was very very helpful. However, despite Germany's early successes in Barbarossa - mostly due to Russkies not being fully mobilized & equipped, and their leadership still suffering a hangover from the Great Purge - the Wehrmacht simply wasn't prepared for a drawn-out war of attrition against Russia. They didn't have the resources or the manpower, not even close. Once they failed to knock out Moscow quickly (had little to nothing to do with the West) it was probably game over sooner or later. It's even debatable whether Russia would have fallen if Moscow *was* taken.

By the time Operation Torch landed in Africa (to say nothing of D-Day the next year) the Germans were already fully on the defensive against the Russian juggernaut. And the scale of fighting in the East totally dwarfed the European theater.

The one big What If is that the USA gave Japan its hands full. If they'd looked westward to Russia instead of attacking Pearl Harbor, that would have been a totally different story. Russian intelligence knew ahead of time Japan had no interest in attacking them, that's why they were able to transfer the Siberian forces for a last minute defense of Moscow, which probably turned the tide there.

USA did help the Western Allies mightily however.

[stopitbrrruce]

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[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

US left Europe to govern itself after the war, AND paid to help rebuild it.
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The US gave out loan shark "aid" and made serious bank...it waited until its allies were hurting badly and made them sell assets well below market value and gave cash out with huge interest...the UK re-payed the debt in 2006

saying the US help pay rebuild anything is not exactly true...

[arock10]

Please post one of Boenher crying while morphing into a lizard person too k thanks

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Thanks Obama...



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[JFK]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Thanks Obama...



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[deltav]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

The US gave out loan shark "aid" and made serious bank...it waited until its allies were hurting badly and made them sell assets well below market value and gave cash out with huge interest...the UK re-payed the debt in 2006

saying the US help pay rebuild anything is not exactly true...

You obviously have an agenda in making that claim, but it doesn't really reflect the realities of the Marshall Plan. While it probably wasn't the sole driver of European recovery that some folks claimed it was, it was a massive help in rebuilding infrastructure and leading towards economic/political stability in a time of huge transition.

Much of the funds were full-on grant subsidies, not to be repaid. The other actual loans were low-interest. Quality of life & stability in Western Europe increased dramatically. The USA obviously had some of their own selfish interests at stake in providing this aid, but any real student of postwar period history knows that it was a huge help and that the European landscape might have looked quite a bit different without it.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by deltav

You obviously have an agenda in making that claim, but it doesn't really reflect the realities of the Marshall Plan. While it probably wasn't the sole driver of European recovery that some folks claimed it was, it was a massive help in rebuilding infrastructure and leading towards economic/political stability in a time of huge transition.

Much of the funds were full-on grant subsidies, not to be repaid. The other actual loans were low-interest. Quality of life & stability in Western Europe increased dramatically. The USA obviously had some of their own selfish interests at stake in providing this aid, but any real student of postwar period history knows that it was a huge help and that the European landscape might have looked quite a bit different without it.

the USA does nothing without an agenda that is in its economic favor and not in the favor of the other side, period...the loans were not critical to the recovery of europe at all but were nothing more than the good ole us "foreign aid corruption" that where primarily used self-servingly by select government officials...its how the US works...it does not let other countries develop freely , but either corrupts them or bombs them, as proof I offer the fact that the USA has dropped more bombs than hitler since WW2, fact is: the USA does not let others run their own governments and tires to have as much influence as possible...but you will hear US politicians using the democracy word with a str8 face every time LOL

my accusations are not only post war but during the war as well, the marshal plan is just a tiny bit of it, during the war the US "assisted" its allies with "aid" in a very exploitative way that had more to do with plain business interests than fighting evil...during WW2 and after the USA made bank like in no other time in its histrory and also gained global power as a result...