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  • pornguy
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Mar 2003
    • 62910
    #1

    a great BIG THANKS goes out to CCBILL

    Just got this in my email.

    CCBill Announces $50K Free Processing Promotion - XBIZ.com

    Seems CCBill is offering 50K in processing for free to new companies/people.

    I have been processing with them since 1999/2000. Glad I could help pay for this.

    What should be more important?

    Customer Loyalty

    Or

    New Customers?
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    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
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      • Oct 2002
      • 4984
      #2
      Originally posted by pornguy
      Just got this in my email.

      CCBill Announces $50K Free Processing Promotion - XBIZ.com

      Seems CCBill is offering 50K in processing for free to new companies/people.

      I have been processing with them since 1999/2000. Glad I could help pay for this.

      What should be more important?

      Customer Loyalty

      Or

      New Customers?
      Oh that's a tough one. I feel both are very very important. If you can't bring in new customers though, then you're just kind of staying where you are and how can your company grow? Can't really be mad at them for wanting to grow their company.

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            • pornguy
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Mar 2003
              • 62910
              #4
              Originally posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl
              Oh that's a tough one. I feel both are very very important. If you can't bring in new customers though, then you're just kind of staying where you are and how can your company grow? Can't really be mad at them for wanting to grow their company.
              Not mad at them at all for wanting to grow the company.

              But. I never got a discount like that.

              I never got any sort of discount.

              I have not gotten the new tools we as well as MANY other webmasters have asked for.

              Have not gotten the more in depth sales tracking abilities people have asked about

              Have not gotten faster systems to handle the requests.
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                • SBJ
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                  • Apr 2003
                  • 11377
                  #5
                  sounds pretty shitty coming from a guy that's processed with them over 11 years and sent them affiliate traffic for 14. The only free thing I ever got was a hat!

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                    • MakeMeGrrrrowl
                      Grrrrrrrrr
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 4984
                      #6
                      Originally posted by pornguy
                      Not mad at them at all for wanting to grow the company.

                      But. I never got a discount like that.

                      I never got any sort of discount.

                      I have not gotten the new tools we as well as MANY other webmasters have asked for.

                      Have not gotten the more in depth sales tracking abilities people have asked about

                      Have not gotten faster systems to handle the requests.
                      Well....if they bring in more new customers then maybe their goal is to give you some things? Gotta get VIP status up in there and you'll get shit done. Maybe?

                      I don't use CCbill and I never have, so I don't even know the workings of it, what you do get or what you don't get. So I'm just speaking in general.

                      I am sorry that you're feeling slighted.

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                        • arock10
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 6217
                          #7
                          Originally posted by pornguy
                          Not mad at them at all for wanting to grow the company.

                          But. I never got a discount like that.

                          I never got any sort of discount.

                          I have not gotten the new tools we as well as MANY other webmasters have asked for.

                          Have not gotten the more in depth sales tracking abilities people have asked about

                          Have not gotten faster systems to handle the requests.
                          we got some prettier more useless interfaces though! Its like sweet, now I have to click more to get the info
                          Sup

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                            • LouiseLloyd
                              SO FUCKING SCAMMED
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 1445
                              #8
                              Wow that sounds like a great incentive.

                              Surely those who are already processing with them can set up a new company, create a new account and take advantage of the promo too?

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                                • pornguy
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                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 62910
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by arock10
                                  we got some prettier more useless interfaces though! Its like sweet, now I have to click more to get the info
                                  Yep. they do have good interface artists.



                                  Dont get me wrong. if I were a new site/program I would jump at that chance of 50k for free in processing. Helps get things started.

                                  But.
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                                    • pornguy
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                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 62910
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by LouiseLloyd
                                      Wow that sounds like a great incentive.

                                      Surely those who are already processing with them can set up a new company, create a new account and take advantage of the promo too?
                                      Lose all the affiliates on new sales etc? Not as worth it as it might sound when you really look at it.
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                                        • mdwofficial
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                                          • Oct 2014
                                          • 65
                                          #11
                                          Having CCBILL and Zombaio.... Do not complain too much about ccbill lol.

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                                            • Robbie
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 20960
                                              #12
                                              You guys didn't read the fine print.
                                              $50,000 in Free Processing with CCBill

                                              You would have to be a brand new customer. They wave their fees for the first 50 grand OR 90 days WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

                                              In this day and age of piracy...I'm gonna guess that a paysite that doesn't already have a merchant account and needs CC Bill (a small site) is NEVER gonna make $50,000 in the first 90 days. lol

                                              And there's more to the "deal"!
                                              "Requires 18 month commitment during which time CCBill must be the sole processor and payment option presented on any website(s) associated with the new account during a term of eighteen (18) months. If at any time, CCBill is not the sole processor displayed on the website(s), waived fees will be recovered from the client account"

                                              So don't feel bad if you can't get this "deal". You're not missing much.

                                              If you are a small site and only want to use CC Bill for the next year and a half...it's not a bad deal. Other than that...not so good.
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                                                • pornguy
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                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 62910
                                                  #13
                                                  While they had set plenty of limitations, more than enough sales will go through it, that the rest of us get to pay for.

                                                  Lets say they only lose a TOATAL of 50k to all the new accounts. That 50 k could have paid a year salary to someone that fights charge backs for the programs.
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                                                    • ITraffic
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                                                      • Jul 2013
                                                      • 2725
                                                      #14
                                                      great opportunity for file lockers and user submitted gf sites to get things going.

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                                                        • pornguy
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                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 62910
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by ITraffic
                                                          great opportunity for file lockers and user submitted gf sites to get things going.
                                                          That is one thing I dont think CCBill would allow to happen. They stand to lose tooo much.
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                                                            • SmutHammer
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                                                              • Mar 2008
                                                              • 4301
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by pornguy
                                                              What should be more important?

                                                              Customer Loyalty

                                                              Or

                                                              New Customers?
                                                              I feel the same way, especially with the cell phone companies.

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                                                                • Far-L
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                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                  • 6065
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Anyone processing the kind of numbers that would make that a great offer is not using CCbill as a primary and is not going to start using them as a primary either imho.


                                                                  wait for it....


                                                                  wait...


                                                                  here it comes!!!


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                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                      • 19806
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                      Anyone processing the kind of numbers that would make that a great offer is not using CCbill as a primary and is not going to start using them as a primary either imho.


                                                                      wait for it....


                                                                      wait...


                                                                      here it comes!!!


                                                                      PIRIOD!!!
                                                                      I disagree. Most you BROS on here are ballin' yer way to the bank too much to see how a new site, just starting out, would benefit from this offer. And is it really robbing Peter to pay Paul? How is what CCBill is offering to new customers affecting ME in any way? How am I and MY company getting screwed in this?

                                                                      Sorry, don't see it.
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                                                                        • arock10
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                                                                          • Jan 2006
                                                                          • 6217
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                          I disagree. Most you BROS on here are ballin' yer way to the bank too much to see how a new site, just starting out, would benefit from this offer. And is it really robbing Peter to pay Paul? How is what CCBill is offering to new customers affecting ME in any way? How am I and MY company getting screwed in this?

                                                                          Sorry, don't see it.
                                                                          your billing fees are subsidizing new customers instead of getting reduced fees or other perks like a useful working interface
                                                                          Sup

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                                                                            • pornguy
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 62910
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                              I disagree. Most you BROS on here are ballin' yer way to the bank too much to see how a new site, just starting out, would benefit from this offer. And is it really robbing Peter to pay Paul? How is what CCBill is offering to new customers affecting ME in any way? How am I and MY company getting screwed in this?

                                                                              Sorry, don't see it.
                                                                              Are you getting screwed? Maybe maybe not. When was the last time you got a lower % for processing from them for the past HOW MANY years?. Even a temp one like offered here for new accounts?

                                                                              The answer to your question of how it is effecting you in any way is simple.

                                                                              CCBIll must pay employees to get those people set up.
                                                                              CCBill pays fees for the transactions.
                                                                              CCBill pays Server fees and BW fees etc and admin fees.

                                                                              How does that get paid? If a new client is NOT paying in on the first 50K someone is paying it and I highly doubt Ron wrote a personal check to cover it.

                                                                              To me it would make more sense to offer incentive to older accounts to up sales than the new people that dont have a proven track record with them already. Or hell even a Here is 1/2 a % off for 3 to 6 months for sticking with us all these years.
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                                                                                • MiamiBoyz
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                                                                                  • Oct 2012
                                                                                  • 6688
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by SBJ
                                                                                  sounds pretty shitty coming from a guy that's processed with them over 11 years and sent them affiliate traffic for 14. The only free thing I ever got was a hat!
                                                                                  Totally agree with that! This sucks and I think it will finally motivate me to get off my ass and look for a new processor IF THIS IS THE THANKS WE GET for supporting their business for years!!

                                                                                  How about a loyalty reward/discount for those of us who you have made money off of for over a decade?

                                                                                  I wish you would help those of us who have helped you and are just trying to keep things going rather than giving away free processing to companies just starting out who (lets face it) if they are starting today have no clue OR don't need that free processing!

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                                                                                    • SplatterMaster
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                                                                                      • Jan 2012
                                                                                      • 790
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                      That is one thing I dont think CCBill would allow to happen. They stand to lose tooo much.
                                                                                      You mean like the last time CCBill processed for file lockers

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                                                                                        • pornguy
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 62910
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
                                                                                          Totally agree with that! This sucks and I think it will finally motivate me to get off my ass and look for a new processor IF THIS IS THE THANKS WE GET for supporting their business for years!!

                                                                                          How about a loyalty reward/discount for those of us who you have made money off of for over a decade?

                                                                                          I wish you would help those of us who have helped you and are just trying to keep things going rather than giving away free processing to companies just starting out who (lets face it) if they are starting today have no clue OR don't need that free processing!
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                                                                                            • SplatterMaster
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                                                                                              • Jan 2012
                                                                                              • 790
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                              You guys didn't read the fine print.
                                                                                              $50,000 in Free Processing with CCBill

                                                                                              You would have to be a brand new customer. They wave their fees for the first 50 grand OR 90 days WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.

                                                                                              In this day and age of piracy...I'm gonna guess that a paysite that doesn't already have a merchant account and needs CC Bill (a small site) is NEVER gonna make $50,000 in the first 90 days. lol

                                                                                              And there's more to the "deal"!
                                                                                              "Requires 18 month commitment during which time CCBill must be the sole processor and payment option presented on any website(s) associated with the new account during a term of eighteen (18) months. If at any time, CCBill is not the sole processor displayed on the website(s), waived fees will be recovered from the client account"

                                                                                              So don't feel bad if you can't get this "deal". You're not missing much.

                                                                                              If you are a small site and only want to use CC Bill for the next year and a half...it's not a bad deal. Other than that...not so good.
                                                                                              Sounds like CCBill is afraid of some other company that can now offer PayPal.

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                                                                                                • arock10
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                                                                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                                                                  • 6217
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                  Are you getting screwed? Maybe maybe not. When was the last time you got a lower % for processing from them for the past HOW MANY years?. Even a temp one like offered here for new accounts?

                                                                                                  The answer to your question of how it is effecting you in any way is simple.

                                                                                                  CCBIll must pay employees to get those people set up.
                                                                                                  CCBill pays fees for the transactions.
                                                                                                  CCBill pays Server fees and BW fees etc and admin fees.

                                                                                                  How does that get paid? If a new client is NOT paying in on the first 50K someone is paying it and I highly doubt Ron wrote a personal check to cover it.

                                                                                                  To me it would make more sense to offer incentive to older accounts to up sales than the new people that dont have a proven track record with them already. Or hell even a Here is 1/2 a % off for 3 to 6 months for sticking with us all these years.
                                                                                                  They should offer a volume increase bonus like some affiliate programs do. Send x% over your current volume and get some sort of discount that you wouldn't normally get. So new programs could get a deal and current programs could get a deal if they send more volume

                                                                                                  Though I guess people who run ccbill as primary wouldn't get much of a bonus sooo maybe not the best idea still
                                                                                                  Sup

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                                                                                                    • pornguy
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 62910
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by arock10
                                                                                                      They should offer a volume increase bonus like some affiliate programs do. Send x% over your current volume and get some sort of discount that you wouldn't normally get. So new programs could get a deal and current programs could get a deal if they send more volume

                                                                                                      Though I guess people who run ccbill as primary wouldn't get much of a bonus sooo maybe not the best idea still
                                                                                                      I nice rotating % discount would do it and keep most webmasters happy.

                                                                                                      I so get it ever 1.7 years who cares when its my turn its my turn to save a little and make a little more pocket cash. Would help keep people loyal.
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                                                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                          • 19806
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                          Are you getting screwed? Maybe maybe not. When was the last time you got a lower % for processing from them for the past HOW MANY years?. Even a temp one like offered here for new accounts?

                                                                                                          The answer to your question of how it is effecting you in any way is simple.

                                                                                                          CCBIll must pay employees to get those people set up.
                                                                                                          CCBill pays fees for the transactions.
                                                                                                          CCBill pays Server fees and BW fees etc and admin fees.

                                                                                                          How does that get paid? If a new client is NOT paying in on the first 50K someone is paying it and I highly doubt Ron wrote a personal check to cover it.

                                                                                                          To me it would make more sense to offer incentive to older accounts to up sales than the new people that dont have a proven track record with them already. Or hell even a Here is 1/2 a % off for 3 to 6 months for sticking with us all these years.
                                                                                                          I see what you are saying but how about going to your CCBill rep and negotiating a better deal regardless of this new offer? Just sayin'.

                                                                                                          But as Robbie pointed out, the offer has limitations and I think the overall effect on existing clients would be minimal. Those fees and employee costs are being paid regardless now anyway so if you calculate the effect on existing clients (however many thousands CCBill has) the % you would be contributing to these new customers should be tiny.
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                                                                                                            • Far-L
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                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                              • 6065
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                              I disagree. Most you BROS on here are ballin' yer way to the bank too much to see how a new site, just starting out, would benefit from this offer. And is it really robbing Peter to pay Paul? How is what CCBill is offering to new customers affecting ME in any way? How am I and MY company getting screwed in this?

                                                                                                              Sorry, don't see it.
                                                                                                              I don't think anyone is getting screwed at all. Not old webmasters, or anyone else. I actually think it is a good deal for newbies that don't have much cash to start with too. I just think it not going to be the sort of deal that pulls in whales and whales have been migrating for a while.
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                                                                                                                • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                  • 19806
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                                                  I don't think anyone is getting screwed at all. Not old webmasters, or anyone else. I actually think it is a good deal for newbies that don't have much cash to start with too. I just think it not going to be the sort of deal that pulls in whales and whales have been migrating for a while.
                                                                                                                  It is true that once you hit a certain level of volume other processing choices become attractive options. But CCBill and other 3rd party processers often offer many more card choices than your merch bank does and I think that makes a big difference.
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                                                                                                                    • pornguy
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                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                      • 62910
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                      I see what you are saying but how about going to your CCBill rep and negotiating a better deal regardless of this new offer? Just sayin'.

                                                                                                                      But as Robbie pointed out, the offer has limitations and I think the overall effect on existing clients would be minimal. Those fees and employee costs are being paid regardless now anyway so if you calculate the effect on existing clients (however many thousands CCBill has) the % you would be contributing to these new customers should be tiny.
                                                                                                                      We have actually tried that many times and we just were not in the right numbers to get a better %. Thats what they kept telling me.
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SBJ
                                                                                                                          sounds pretty shitty coming from a guy that's processed with them over 11 years and sent them affiliate traffic for 14. The only free thing I ever got was a hat!
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                                                                                                                            • fetishwealth
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                                                                                                                              • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                              • 1424
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              I was telling a noob about ccbill And its legacy as the noob webmasters processor. Myself included.

                                                                                                                              And got to wondering how many transactions they do daily And are taking %15 which imo is highway robbery high risk or not


                                                                                                                              Anyone care to guess?

                                                                                                                              10k 20k ?

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                                                                                                                                • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                  • 19806
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by fetishwealth
                                                                                                                                  I was telling a noob about ccbill And its legacy as the noob webmasters processor. Myself included.

                                                                                                                                  And got to wondering how many transactions they do daily And are taking %15 which imo is highway robbery high risk or not


                                                                                                                                  Anyone care to guess?

                                                                                                                                  10k 20k ?
                                                                                                                                  I tried to figure that out once too, but like with most things it's really hard to tell data like that from the outside. How many accounts does CCBill have? Or Epoch? Or any of them? Who knows?

                                                                                                                                  Amazing thing is, the Net is so vast that I see sites that have not been touched in ten years with CCBill join forms on there. These "dead" sites must account for a lot of scattered sales.

                                                                                                                                  Who knows but I would guess, from my most recent account number, close to a million accounts if they started with 000000. So do the math. LOL
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                                                                                                                                    • sojproductions
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SplatterMaster
                                                                                                                                      Sounds like CCBill is afraid of some other company that can now offer PayPal.
                                                                                                                                      My thoughts too, hence the exclusivity only clause.
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                                                                                                                                        • NatalieK
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                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2010
                                                                                                                                          • 19916
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                                                                          Just got this in my email.

                                                                                                                                          CCBill Announces $50K Free Processing Promotion - XBIZ.com

                                                                                                                                          Seems CCBill is offering 50K in processing for free to new companies/people.

                                                                                                                                          I have been processing with them since 1999/2000. Glad I could help pay for this.

                                                                                                                                          What should be more important?

                                                                                                                                          Customer Loyalty

                                                                                                                                          Or

                                                                                                                                          New Customers?
                                                                                                                                          Oh shoosh!

                                                                                                                                          We asked about loyalty also, they said they was not doing anything regards to loyal customers atm.... we're already with a successful reasonable fee company.

                                                                                                                                          Yes, It would be nice, but for them to give free fees for those just beginning, isn't that a good thing, especially for those start up companies.

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                                                                                                                                              As a marketing person I can tell you that it's hard to make a new customer offer without at least somewhat offending current customers.

                                                                                                                                              But look at it from the standpoint of the company as if you owned it for a second. Are you going to give money away to your current customers?

                                                                                                                                              Now I agree that it's a great idea to give customer loyalty presents to good, existing customers in any industry and to take care of existing customers. Every company should so this. I suggest it to all of our clients.

                                                                                                                                              But to stay in business it's almost impossible to give away money.
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