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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200
    #1

    Now I know why Obama is pushing a $10 min wage

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...142907469.html

    Yeah the left media and those on this forum like to point out how Obama has created jobs and as usual , they leave out what kind of jobs are being created. Shitty ones!

    The National Employment Law Project reports that that low wage industries employ 1.85 million MORE workers now than at the start of the recession while mid-and higher-wage industries employ 1.83 million LESS.

    Low wage industries account for 44% of employment growth over the past four years but only 22% of job losses during the recession. As a result of this imbalance, the take home pay for households has fallen, averaging $51,000 in 2012, or 8% less than the average $55,000 in 2007, adjusted for inflation, according to the NELP.

    And you guys still think that the joker in office is on the side of the folks?

    Still think the recession is over?
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
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    • MrTrollkien
      So Fucking Banned
      • Mar 2014
      • 2360
      #2
      Recession is when your neighbor loses his job depression is when you lose your job and recovery is when obama loses his.

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        • Vendzilla
          Biker Gnome
          • Mar 2004
          • 23200
          #3
          Originally posted by MrTrollkien
          Recession is when your neighbor loses his job depression is when you lose your job and recovery is when obama loses his.
          Scary we have to wait for recovery till he gets out of office. We have people in office that shouldn't be, he's just one.
          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
          think about that

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            • StinkyPink
              It's all goooood.
              • Aug 2009
              • 1591
              #4
              Originally posted by Vendzilla
              Scary we have to wait for recovery till he gets out of office. We have people in office that shouldn't be, he's just one.
              Actually, if we got the others out, he wouldn't be so bad.

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                • JA$ON
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 1329
                  #5
                  Why make it $10? Thats by any standard low....why not $20? Wait, why not $30? Because...

                  There shouldn't be ANY min wage!!!!

                  Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue. And guess what, people who are worth more...get paid more They demand it or they can take their skills elsewhere.

                  Eliminating it all together would get more entry level people in the workforce. Someone with NO skill adds very little value to an employer, so if the min wage is more than the employer can afford to pay that person to be around....guess what....THEY DONT HIRE THAT PERSON, lol. Eliminating the MW lets people with no skill get in the door. Maybe at $5 an hour, maybe $3. A VERY small % of those who started a job at min wage still made min wage 2 yrs later. The worker has the choice to not accept the job, but it opens the door to get skilled and work their way up, make more etc etc.
                  Forcing someone to adhere to a MW will just have employers evaluating their books and having to either let people go or not hire new ones , expand and so on. OR if its a business that uses a lot of unskilled grunt workers (Cashiers etc) and they can't let people go....they just raise prices.
                  And $1 or $2 per hour more does NOTHING to help lift people out of poverty. Its a way for politicians to throw their hands in the air scream "look at all Ive done".

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                    • Rochard
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                      • Dec 2001
                      • 75733
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                      http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...142907469.html

                      Yeah the left media and those on this forum like to point out how Obama has created jobs and as usual , they leave out what kind of jobs are being created. Shitty ones!

                      The National Employment Law Project reports that that low wage industries employ 1.85 million MORE workers now than at the start of the recession while mid-and higher-wage industries employ 1.83 million LESS.

                      Low wage industries account for 44% of employment growth over the past four years but only 22% of job losses during the recession. As a result of this imbalance, the take home pay for households has fallen, averaging $51,000 in 2012, or 8% less than the average $55,000 in 2007, adjusted for inflation, according to the NELP.

                      And you guys still think that the joker in office is on the side of the folks?

                      Still think the recession is over?
                      Sure. Obama can only make fast food jobs.
                      Herschel Savage
                      Brooklyn, NY

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                        • Vendzilla
                          Biker Gnome
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 23200
                          #7
                          Originally posted by StinkyPink
                          Actually, if we got the others out, he wouldn't be so bad.
                          Others as in Diane Feinstein who said "All vets are mentally ill in some way and government should prevent them from owning firearms."

                          Or Pelosi who said " we will find out what's in it after we vote on it" ???
                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                          think about that

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                            • Vendzilla
                              Biker Gnome
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 23200
                              #8
                              Originally posted by JA$ON
                              Why make it $10? Thats by any standard low....why not $20? Wait, why not $30? Because...

                              There shouldn't be ANY min wage!!!!

                              Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue. And guess what, people who are worth more...get paid more They demand it or they can take their skills elsewhere.

                              Eliminating it all together would get more entry level people in the workforce. Someone with NO skill adds very little value to an employer, so if the min wage is more than the employer can afford to pay that person to be around....guess what....THEY DONT HIRE THAT PERSON, lol. Eliminating the MW lets people with no skill get in the door. Maybe at $5 an hour, maybe $3. A VERY small % of those who started a job at min wage still made min wage 2 yrs later. The worker has the choice to not accept the job, but it opens the door to get skilled and work their way up, make more etc etc.
                              Forcing someone to adhere to a MW will just have employers evaluating their books and having to either let people go or not hire new ones , expand and so on. OR if its a business that uses a lot of unskilled grunt workers (Cashiers etc) and they can't let people go....they just raise prices.
                              And $1 or $2 per hour more does NOTHING to help lift people out of poverty. Its a way for politicians to throw their hands in the air scream "look at all Ive done".
                              According to the OP, more people are getting MW jobs, that's the point I'm trying to make
                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                              think about that

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                                • 2MuchMark
                                  Mark of 2Much.net
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 50991
                                  #9
                                  Once again, Vendzilla sees the big picture.

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                                    • Vendzilla
                                      Biker Gnome
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 23200
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                      Once again, Vendzilla sees the big picture.
                                      What, that Obama wants to eliminate the middle class, or are you just being an asshole?
                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                      think about that

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                                        • dyna mo
                                          just a fucking jerk
                                          • Dec 2008
                                          • 68184
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                          Once again, Vendzilla sees the big picture.
                                          don't be coy, **********, fill us all in on what the big picture is here.

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                                            • MaDalton
                                              I am Amazing Content!
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 39861
                                              #12
                                              i thought he learned that from Texas...

                                              (do I remember that there it has been defended on this board?)
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                                                • Socks
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                                                  • May 2002
                                                  • 8475
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by JA$ON
                                                  Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue.
                                                  That's a terribly misleading statistic. *anything* even a few cents above minimum wage would make you part of the 95%. You're still broke as shit with a shitty job...

                                                  I wonder how this stat pans out on a graph and how the weighting looks like

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                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                      • 23200
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                      i thought he learned that from Texas...

                                                      (do I remember that there it has been defended on this board?)
                                                      Not getting what you're saying?

                                                      Learned what, defended what? Minimum wage or that the middle class is getting smaller

                                                      Obama and his supporters like Mark Prince always points out all the jobs he has created, well, guess what, now he is trying to get a pay raise for all those jobs he created. All those minimum wages jobs he created.
                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                      think about that

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                                                        • MaDalton
                                                          I am Amazing Content!
                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 39861
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                          Not getting what you're saying?

                                                          Learned what, defended what? Minimum wage or that the middle class is getting smaller

                                                          Obama and his supporters like Mark Prince always points out all the jobs he has created, well, guess what, now he is trying to get a pay raise for all those jobs he created. All those minimum wages jobs he created.
                                                          i am saying that when Perry created minimum wage jobs, he was celebrated as job creator by the right wingers and when Obama does the same (as per your stats), he gets trashed by the same people

                                                          not that i care, i just find it amusing
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                                                            • Vendzilla
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                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 23200
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                              i am saying that when Perry created minimum wage jobs, he was celebrated as job creator by the right wingers and when Obama does the same (as per your stats), he gets trashed by the same people

                                                              not that i care, i just find it amusing
                                                              My stats show that the jobs he says he is creating is for low wage, but at the same time we are losing the same amount from the middle class, which is bringing down the US median wage by 8%

                                                              Perry can claim he created jobs all he wants, the facts are that most of the new jobs are for people moving down the latter.
                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                              think about that

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                                                                • blackmonsters
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                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                  • 20984
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                  My stats show that the jobs he says he is creating is for low wage, but at the same time we are losing the same amount from the middle class, which is bringing down the US median wage by 8%

                                                                  Perry can claim he created jobs all he wants, the facts are that most of the new jobs are for people moving down the latter.
                                                                  If Obama gets into creating private sector jobs then isn't that socialism and "big government".

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                                                                    • MaDalton
                                                                      I am Amazing Content!
                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                      • 39861
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                      My stats show that the jobs he says he is creating is for low wage, but at the same time we are losing the same amount from the middle class, which is bringing down the US median wage by 8%

                                                                      Perry can claim he created jobs all he wants, the facts are that most of the new jobs are for people moving down the latter.
                                                                      no doubt about that - just that in one case it's fine and in the other case it's not. and vice versa - depends on who reports

                                                                      funny
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                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 23200
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                          If Obama gets into creating private sector jobs then isn't that socialism and "big government".

                                                                          Have you ever heard him give a speech and hear how under his administration last month 25,000 jobs were created? I'm calling him on it! They are all low wage earning jobs to replace all the good paying jobs that have been lost.

                                                                          The Federal Government doesn't create jobs, but the things they do influence them. The left is saying the recession is over, I call bullshit. Not until the lost jobs are replaced. People are living on less. This doesn't effect poor people, it effects those that weren't poor people and now are, that's why the US is spending so much money on food stamps.

                                                                          Socialism and big government have nothing to do with it
                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                          think about that

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                                                                            • tony286
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                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                              • 57021
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                              What, that Obama wants to eliminate the middle class, or are you just being an asshole?
                                                                              sorry that was your buddy reagan. Those cards were dealt a long time ago. Wages have been flat for 30 yrs.

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                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                  no doubt about that - just that in one case it's fine and in the other case it's not. and vice versa - depends on who reports

                                                                                  funny
                                                                                  This on the President for what he has been saying about jobs

                                                                                  Not about GOP VS Democrats

                                                                                  I could care less

                                                                                  I think come mid terms we're going to have a GOP house and senate and Hillary will be our new president and if she works with the other side like Bill did, I think we will all be happy with the outcome..........
                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                    • blackmonsters
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                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                      • 20984
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                      Have you ever heard him give a speech and hear how under his administration last month 25,000 jobs were created? I'm calling him on it! They are all low wage earning jobs to replace all the good paying jobs that have been lost.

                                                                                      The Federal Government doesn't create jobs, but the things they do influence them. The left is saying the recession is over, I call bullshit. Not until the lost jobs are replaced. People are living on less. This doesn't effect poor people, it effects those that weren't poor people and now are, that's why the US is spending so much money on food stamps.

                                                                                      Socialism and big government have nothing to do with it
                                                                                      At what point in the future from today will the US total of food stamps paid out equal that spent on the Iraq war?

                                                                                      Just curious how the number stack up.
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                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by tony286
                                                                                          sorry that was your buddy reagan. Those cards were dealt a long time ago. Wages have been flat for 30 yrs.
                                                                                          Did you read the OP, over since the recession, 1.85 million jobs have left the middle and headed lower, where did that happen under Reagan?

                                                                                          I should point out that wages have not been flat, they have gone down 8% over the last 5 years. (Median Annual Income) I made great money during the Reagan years in construction building elevators at $25 an hour in the 80's
                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                            • kane
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 20684
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              What do you think could be done to help grow the number of mid-range and higher paying jobs?

                                                                                              It seems like the recession killed a lot of them and those companies that have come back or have been created since the recession are taking those jobs off shores.

                                                                                              There actually are a decent number of mid-range jobs out there that can't be filled. The last I read there were roughly 3 million jobs that companies can't fill because people are no longer going to trade schools to become plumbers, mechanics, welders etc.

                                                                                              So not only have we seen a shift in the type of jobs created, we have seen a shift in how people choose to educate themselves for the job market. Instead of encouraging kids to learn a trade they are encouraged to go to college then they graduate with a useless liberal arts degree and a ton of debt.

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                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                                  At what point in the future from today will the US total of food stamps paid out equal that spent on the Iraq war?

                                                                                                  Just curious how the number stack up.
                                                                                                  I'll let you know when we stop spending money on Iraq and sending drones to Pakistan

                                                                                                  How the fuck can you compare the two? Are you going to call me a racist next?

                                                                                                  Seriously, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other?
                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                    • Sly
                                                                                                      Let's do some business!
                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                      • 31377
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      A reminder as to what happens when business costs are continuously jacked up: http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1139375

                                                                                                      I would not be surprised if the minimum wage is a large contributor to innovation. As the costs of running a business rise, business owners find cheaper ways to do things = innovation/automation.

                                                                                                      Perhaps the business world should be thanking minimum wage, or perhaps the low income job world should be blaming minimum wage. Maybe both. Funny to think about.
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                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                          What do you think could be done to help grow the number of mid-range and higher paying jobs?

                                                                                                          It seems like the recession killed a lot of them and those companies that have come back or have been created since the recession are taking those jobs off shores.

                                                                                                          There actually are a decent number of mid-range jobs out there that can't be filled. The last I read there were roughly 3 million jobs that companies can't fill because people are no longer going to trade schools to become plumbers, mechanics, welders etc.

                                                                                                          So not only have we seen a shift in the type of jobs created, we have seen a shift in how people choose to educate themselves for the job market. Instead of encouraging kids to learn a trade they are encouraged to go to college then they graduate with a useless liberal arts degree and a ton of debt.
                                                                                                          That is part of the problem, I'm sure. I can do anything with electrical, I can run 110, 220 and 440 3 phase. I can weld with gas, stick, mig and I did get a little practice in with tig. I can build a store front and install an automatic door, I have installed elevators, I have run black iron 4 inch pipe for a hydraulic elevator and made all the welds. I have worked on drill rigs. I can run a lathe and a mill. Hell, last weekend, I helped to lay some tile for a friend. When the people that are doing it now retire, we will be fucked because the big push is for higher education when getting a trade is always good to fall back on.

                                                                                                          Hard to push for a trade when all the big companies are looking to relocate or you can be out bid by a company using illegal aliens as a work force
                                                                                                          Last edited by Vendzilla; 04-28-2014, 02:55 PM.
                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                            • blackmonsters
                                                                                                              Making PHP work
                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                              • 20984
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                              I'll let you know when we stop spending money on Iraq and sending drones to Pakistan

                                                                                                              How the fuck can you compare the two? Are you going to call me a racist next?

                                                                                                              Seriously, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other?
                                                                                                              Nah, I'll just wait for you to call me racist after blowing your top like a brat psycho.

                                                                                                              Last edited by blackmonsters; 04-28-2014, 02:55 PM.
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                                                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                  • 76818
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                  http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...142907469.html

                                                                                                                  Yeah the left media and those on this forum like to point out how Obama has created jobs and as usual , they leave out what kind of jobs are being created. Shitty ones!

                                                                                                                  The National Employment Law Project reports that that low wage industries employ 1.85 million MORE workers now than at the start of the recession while mid-and higher-wage industries employ 1.83 million LESS.

                                                                                                                  Low wage industries account for 44% of employment growth over the past four years but only 22% of job losses during the recession. As a result of this imbalance, the take home pay for households has fallen, averaging $51,000 in 2012, or 8% less than the average $55,000 in 2007, adjusted for inflation, according to the NELP.

                                                                                                                  And you guys still think that the joker in office is on the side of the folks?

                                                                                                                  Still think the recession is over?
                                                                                                                  Bush created the same shitty jobs, take off your one way blinders. The good jobs have left the country, say thanks Reagan & Clinton for starting the ball rolling and shipping good paying jobs to China so big business could pay peanuts.

                                                                                                                  There are no new high paying jobs, it's all shitty $10/hr jobs that are created. Of course it's all Obama's fault..
                                                                                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                    • Rochard
                                                                                                                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                      • 75733
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                                                      At what point in the future from today will the US total of food stamps paid out equal that spent on the Iraq war?

                                                                                                                      Just curious how the number stack up.
                                                                                                                      That's a slanted question being as the amount of people on food stamps are on food stamps because of the last Republican president.
                                                                                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                        • blackmonsters
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                          That's a slanted question being as the amount of people on food stamps are on food stamps because of the last Republican president.
                                                                                                                          It's not so slanted when you figure in that we are never going to ever get out of Iraq.
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                                                                                                                            • trevesty
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Wait, so his goal is to help out those at the very bottom, which is where a lot of the growth in employment numbers is being seen, and you somehow extrapolate from that that he's NOT acting in their interests?

                                                                                                                              What?
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                                                                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 76818
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by trevesty
                                                                                                                                  Wait, so his goal is to help out those at the very bottom, which is where a lot of the growth in employment numbers is being seen, and you somehow extrapolate from that that he's NOT acting in their interests?

                                                                                                                                  What?
                                                                                                                                  Vendzilla doesn't care if anything makes sense or what he posts.. He only cares if he can bitch and moan about Obama..
                                                                                                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                    • blackmonsters
                                                                                                                                      Making PHP work
                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 20984
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                                      Vendzilla doesn't care if anything makes sense or what he posts.. He only cares if he can bitch and moan about Obama..
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                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                                                                          Nah, I'll just wait for you to call me racist after blowing your top like a brat psycho.


                                                                                                                                          While I have blown my top before, I have called anyone here a racist, or anywhere for that matter.

                                                                                                                                          You'll have to let me know how I fit in the name Brat Psycho
                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                                            • sicone
                                                                                                                                              Retired
                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 18453
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              At least there are those jobs. Romney and friends would have found a way to outsource most of those jobs too. The person asking you if you want to super size your meal will be asking you from the Philippines as machines box up your meal.

                                                                                                                                              Where did all the mid level paying jobs go? Call tech support and ask them.

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                                                                                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by trevesty
                                                                                                                                                  Wait, so his goal is to help out those at the very bottom, which is where a lot of the growth in employment numbers is being seen, and you somehow extrapolate from that that he's NOT acting in their interests?

                                                                                                                                                  What?
                                                                                                                                                  You really can't read can you?

                                                                                                                                                  Peoples wages are going down and he is saying it's a good thing! Now he wants to correct it by giving those people he put in lower paying jobs a little pay raise.
                                                                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by sicone
                                                                                                                                                      At least there are those jobs. Romney and friends would have found a way to outsource most of those jobs too. The person asking you if you want to super size your meal will be asking you from the Philippines as machines box up your meal.

                                                                                                                                                      Where did all the mid level paying jobs go? Call tech support and ask them.
                                                                                                                                                      Be careful, the people in this thread that are supporting Obama are happy with their jobs at burger king. Because this doesn't effect them, I should have known!
                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                                                        • arock10
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                          • 6217
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Let's just bring back slavery
                                                                                                                                                          Sup

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                                                                                                                                                            • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                                                              Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 50991
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                              don't be coy, **********, fill us all in on what the big picture is here.
                                                                                                                                                              No need. Vendy can use the Google machine for that.

                                                                                                                                                              By the way, I'm glad you have adopted my cat Shadow as your Avatar. Lucky for you, she just had her claws clipped.

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                                                                                                                                                                • blackmonsters
                                                                                                                                                                  Making PHP work
                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 20984
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by arock10
                                                                                                                                                                  Let's just bring back slavery
                                                                                                                                                                  Get real, Cliven Bundy's ranch ain't that big.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                                                                      Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 50991
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                      Have you ever heard him give a speech and hear how under his administration last month 25,000 jobs were created?
                                                                                                                                                                      I don't think you've ever listen to one of his speeches.

                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                      I'm calling him on it! They are all low wage earning jobs to replace all the good paying jobs that have been lost.
                                                                                                                                                                      "Dey terk er Jerbbs!"

                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                      I call bullshit.
                                                                                                                                                                      We get it! Republicans hate black people.

                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                      Socialism and big government have nothing to do with it
                                                                                                                                                                      Back to Kenya!

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                                                                                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                          Be careful, the people in this thread that are supporting Obama are happy with their jobs at burger king. Because this doesn't effect them, I should have known!
                                                                                                                                                                          At least they are working and earning their $7 dollars a hour, unlike you whom collects unemployment while bitching about free loaders.
                                                                                                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Tofu
                                                                                                                                                                              The Video Specialist
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 5615
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              I miss Clinton...



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                                                                                                                                                                                • signupdamnit
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 6697
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  I didn't know the president owned the fast food joints and all the other companies?

                                                                                                                                                                                  People are silly. The president isn't responsible for jobs. Employers decide that and indirectly so do consumers ultimately. The president has some sway in directing policy but it's maybe 10% in comparison to congress and the results are usually delayed years.

                                                                                                                                                                                  I mean you may as well blame the pope....

                                                                                                                                                                                  You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • blackmonsters
                                                                                                                                                                                      Making PHP work
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 20984
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by JA$ON
                                                                                                                                                                                      Why make it $10? Thats by any standard low....why not $20? Wait, why not $30? Because...

                                                                                                                                                                                      There shouldn't be ANY min wage!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                      Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue. And guess what, people who are worth more...get paid more They demand it or they can take their skills elsewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Eliminating it all together would get more entry level people in the workforce. Someone with NO skill adds very little value to an employer, so if the min wage is more than the employer can afford to pay that person to be around....guess what....THEY DONT HIRE THAT PERSON, lol. Eliminating the MW lets people with no skill get in the door. Maybe at $5 an hour, maybe $3. A VERY small % of those who started a job at min wage still made min wage 2 yrs later. The worker has the choice to not accept the job, but it opens the door to get skilled and work their way up, make more etc etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Forcing someone to adhere to a MW will just have employers evaluating their books and having to either let people go or not hire new ones , expand and so on. OR if its a business that uses a lot of unskilled grunt workers (Cashiers etc) and they can't let people go....they just raise prices.
                                                                                                                                                                                      And $1 or $2 per hour more does NOTHING to help lift people out of poverty. Its a way for politicians to throw their hands in the air scream "look at all Ive done".

                                                                                                                                                                                      Guess what,

                                                                                                                                                                                      people going into business now already have to figure out if they can afford to pay employees before they ever start.

                                                                                                                                                                                      If they can't afford it then they can get the fuck out.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Great if McDonalds closes because then the former employees will just open hot dog stands and make $40 per hour themselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                      You know what, fuck it, raise them minimum wage to $40 per hour and let the cheap mother fuckers die out of business so "mom and pop" can open back up and give me the service I'm used to.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Low minimum wage is exactly why we have the franchise industry, fuck the franchise.
                                                                                                                                                                                      They don't pay shit, they serve shit and it's too much of that shit.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Disclaimer : Fake anger added for dramatic affect.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • trevesty
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 3810
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                          You really can't read can you?

                                                                                                                                                                                          Peoples wages are going down and he is saying it's a good thing! Now he wants to correct it by giving those people he put in lower paying jobs a little pay raise.
                                                                                                                                                                                          No, that's you not understanding at all what he said. Employment numbers increasing is overall a great thing, regardless of the market. Him wanting to increase the minimum wage to a respectable dollar amount is indicative of him understanding the economy(well, his advisors anyways).

                                                                                                                                                                                          He didn't put anyone in any jobs other than those he personally appointed to be his advisors(SecDef, etc). Nice try, though. Wanna show everyone again how much you don't understand public policy? It's pretty funny to read.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Sly
                                                                                                                                                                                              Let's do some business!
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 31377
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by trevesty
                                                                                                                                                                                              No, that's you not understanding at all what he said. Employment numbers increasing is overall a great thing, regardless of the market. Him wanting to increase the minimum wage to a respectable dollar amount is indicative of him understanding the economy(well, his advisors anyways).

                                                                                                                                                                                              He didn't put anyone in any jobs other than those he personally appointed to be his advisors(SecDef, etc). Nice try, though. Wanna show everyone again how much you don't understand public policy? It's pretty funny to read.
                                                                                                                                                                                              1.83 million mid-level/high-level jobs were lost, 1.85 million low-level jobs were gained

                                                                                                                                                                                              That's a victory?

                                                                                                                                                                                              If his understanding of public policy credits him for the 1.85 million low-level jobs gained, surely his understanding of public policy also credits him for the 1.83 million mid-level/high level jobs lost.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Go Obama!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 30137
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                                                                  no doubt about that - just that in one case it's fine and in the other case it's not. and vice versa - depends on who reports

                                                                                                                                                                                                  funny
                                                                                                                                                                                                  stop using logic !!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  ( same applies to Ukraine or '' The '' Ukraine : protesters are freedom fighters while burning buildings in Kiev , but in Ea stern Ukraine , far less damaging behavior by '' separatists '' are deemed terrorism .. go figure ... ? )
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 30137
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'll let you know when we stop spending money on Iraq and sending drones to Pakistan

                                                                                                                                                                                                      How the fuck can you compare the two? Are you going to call me a racist next?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Seriously, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      ... and 5 billion in '' the '' Ukraine ...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Note: our gov is no better on that topic ..
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                                                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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