Question to content owners

[user-name]

Question to content owners

There is an idea to establish file-locker-like service with fully legit content filling. The main thing is to let to upload and share materials only for confirmed content owners. There are two main questions regarding this issue.

1. I have seen several tasty bulk proposals on Sell and Buy forum. Is it works for such kind of service? What kind of licence could content owners offer for this service? As I can understand, tube licenced content should be ok, but what about non-tube licences for premium-only downloads? This is the main question, because in the case I will decide to start this project, I'm going to buy content by my own.

2. Would anybody provide their content to get a percent from sales? Something like 40% for content owner - 30% for webmaster - 10% for site owner - 20% for the service. In addition - fully customizable download page with ability to promote content owner site. Let's say, it will costs 15 EUR monthly for consumer.

[AdultKing]

Originally Posted by user-name

Question to content owners

There is an idea to establish file-locker-like service with fully legit content filling. The main thing is to let to upload and share materials only for confirmed content owners. There are two main questions regarding this issue.

There is already a company doing this http://contentpusher.com

The correct idea is to offer file locker type membership to download preloaded content that has been specifically licensed for this purpose.

If you allow users to upload content then you are just leaving the whole system open to abuse and that will mean at some point I'll be closing down your payment processing arrangements.

[freecartoonporn]

wont work.

[user-name]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

The correct idea is to offer file locker type membership to download preloaded content that has been specifically licensed for this purpose.

This is exactly what I wrote above.

The question for content owners: will anybody sell their content for full-legit file-loker-like service in such conditions as these sellers do:

htt p://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1129697
htt p://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1129951
htt p://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1123933

(remove spaces)

and so on

There are two types of downloading on such services - free download for anyone and download for premium users only. Please explain what kind of licenses are available in both of the cases. Thanks in advance.

[user-name]

wont work.

Please take a minute to explain why. I believe this is exactly what consumer want nowdays. The biggest thing is to solve content-licencing issues.

[AHarper]

Reading lots of discussions here and on other sites, why torrent sites are so great for users, why they are willing to spend money on such sites but not on adult paysites...I had the same idea.

Why not giving it a try, like the idea and think it's worth giving it a try.

[JimmyStephans]

Simple Math....

The people that do pay for file lockers are those that expect MASSIVE amounts of content to be ready for download as soon as they pay.

If you take many, many, many content owners and they all provide a large amount of content you will have what the file locker customer wants. Good....

But, the cost of running file locker and and other expenses will not leave much money left for the content owners. Its very simple - content owners would get just a few pennies each month.

Simple math -

The reason the file lockers profit is because they have no content costs. As soon as they must pay for content (in massively large quantities that they have now) there is no incentive for them or content owners.

Would be a large pie.

But, the pie would have to be split among so many content owners that nobody really makes enough to cover costs - much less profit, run quality business.

[freecartoonporn]

Originally Posted by user-name

Please take a minute to explain why. I believe this is exactly what consumer want nowdays. The biggest thing is to solve content-licencing issues.

just think from the file sharing site's member's POV, then you will get it.

[arock10]

Because people aren't trying to pay $10 a month just to download some bullshit content (no offense but its no hq exclusive) bought from gfy

[Rumbledog]

Torrents and file lockers are super lazy fucks who want to make money from our hard earned work.

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book. I do all the work necessary to achieve good content.

If a file locker were to pay me the same as a paysite owner would pay then yes, we would aboard this idea. Until these files lockers can match that, no deal!

I charge program "paysite" owners $2500 for a full exclusive boy-girl video with matching stills.

File lockers are stealing from us and still finding ways to be a part of us here in GFY. Con artists.
This thread is proof.

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Torrents and file lockers are super lazy fucks who want to make money from our hard earned work.

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book. I do all the work necessary to achieve good content.

If a file locker were to pay me the same as a paysite owner would pay then yes, we would aboard this idea. Until these files lockers can match that, no deal!

I charge program "paysite" owners $2500 for a full exclusive boy-girl video with matching stills.

File lockers are stealing from us and still finding ways to be a part of us here in GFY. Con artists.
This thread is proof.

Agreed! 100%

[AHarper]

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Torrents and file lockers are super lazy fucks who want to make money from our hard earned work.

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book. I do all the work necessary to achieve good content.

If a file locker were to pay me the same as a paysite owner would pay then yes, we would aboard this idea. Until these files lockers can match that, no deal!

I charge program "paysite" owners $2500 for a full exclusive boy-girl video with matching stills.

File lockers are stealing from us and still finding ways to be a part of us here in GFY. Con artists.
This thread is proof.

Not saying you are wrong but aren't that the same arguments against tube sites years ago? Today you only read: Adapt or die. And many people have adapted.

[AHarper]

Originally Posted by JimmyStephans

Simple Math....

The people that do pay for file lockers are those that expect MASSIVE amounts of content to be ready for download as soon as they pay.

If you take many, many, many content owners and they all provide a large amount of content you will have what the file locker customer wants. Good....

But, the cost of running file locker and and other expenses will not leave much money left for the content owners. Its very simple - content owners would get just a few pennies each month.

Simple math -

The reason the file lockers profit is because they have no content costs. As soon as they must pay for content (in massively large quantities that they have now) there is no incentive for them or content owners.

Would be a large pie.

But, the pie would have to be split among so many content owners that nobody really makes enough to cover costs - much less profit, run quality business.

I understand what you mean. But even if users expect lots of content, I think they only consume a little part of it.

The idea isn't bad at all, we just need some innovative ideas and concepts. The tube model was more or less the same for years, now nearly every paysite owner works together with them. Smart guys don't get tired to tell that the adult biz needs to become open minded for new ideas and concepts and the content-locker/torrent biz seems to have some ways to make users willig to pay. No idea if it's only the amount of content.

[user-name]

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Torrents and file lockers are super lazy fucks who want to make money from our hard earned work.

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book. I do all the work necessary to achieve good content.

If a file locker were to pay me the same as a paysite owner would pay then yes, we would aboard this idea. Until these files lockers can match that, no deal!

I charge program "paysite" owners $2500 for a full exclusive boy-girl video with matching stills.

File lockers are stealing from us and still finding ways to be a part of us here in GFY. Con artists.
This thread is proof.

Thanks for your response. This is the content producer's point of view and it's the most important for me.

But I'm not looking for exclusive content or something. I need cheap bulk deals to fill the site with thousands videos to attract webmasters. My point is simple, if some of content providers are ready to sell hundreds of their sets for 1$ or even less each to tube sites, why not to try to add it to legit file locker and to take his profit constantly from sales. Or to sell this package to this locker?

In addition, I understand that new exclusive (and expensive) content can be monetized only with paysites at the moment, however as I mentioned above, this service should be considered as advertising platform for these paysites. You are adding your old content and adding your custom pre-download page to promote your paysite. You are getting your free traffic plus you are getting sales from content which don't sell for a long time already. The more you deliver to the service, the more traffic you get, the more sales from your paysites.

Anyway, I'm still requesting content owners opinion.

[user-name]

Originally Posted by fitzmulti

Agreed! 100%

Can I ask you personally? You are one of those content sellers who give some really good offers constantly. Would it be acceptable for such service?

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by user-name

Can I ask you personally? You are one of those content sellers who give some really good offers constantly. Would it be acceptable for such service?

The main thing that strikes me right away...is on a file locker type scenario, it just seems like "the wild west".
With an adult webmaster forum, or content licensing sites, the likely hood of someone NOT "really" in the industry getting the content (and 2257 forms) should (in theory anyway) be kept to a very small percentage.

In a file locker / sharing type scenario, a "fan" could have more access to the content, it seems anyway.
And get whatever amount of content for way less money, as well as the 2257 (which already is a bad thing to HAVE to give to other webmasters in my opinion from when that started back in 2005...)

Unless I am not reading your idea / proposal correctly...

My feelings on it have more to do w/ preventing people that are not "really" adult webmasters from getting the content, rather than access to adult webmasters for a great deal.

[user-name]

Nobody have access to 2257 forms excepting service administration. Noone is able to reupload files to their own hosts. All files are hosted on service servers, webmasters are able to operate only with links to files download pages (with contributor's promotion materials).

This is monetization scheme:

40% for content owner - 30% for webmaster - 10% for site owner - 20% for the service

20% to cover hosting bills, to pay staff, buy some new content and get few bucks as profit - not that much.

If content owner don't want to sell his content to let it be downloaded for free, it is possible to make it downloadable only for premium users, no problem. However I don't see why not to sell your content to such service if you sell it to tubes.

You can call it file-locker, or content-locker or whatever you want. The idea is to make this thing work fully legit. However it's impossible without content owners support.

In my opinion it's a better monetisation in comparison with tubes for example.

[AHarper]

In the end it's nothing different than a mix of tube and paysite. Watch some content for free and premium videos or premium features only for paid users. And all that with a different kind of "style" that looks like an illegal filelocker site which makes users more willing to spend money.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Torrents and file lockers are super lazy fucks who want to make money from our hard earned work.

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book. I do all the work necessary to achieve good content.

If a file locker were to pay me the same as a paysite owner would pay then yes, we would aboard this idea. Until these files lockers can match that, no deal!

I charge program "paysite" owners $2500 for a full exclusive boy-girl video with matching stills.

File lockers are stealing from us and still finding ways to be a part of us here in GFY. Con artists.
This thread is proof.

Agreed as well.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by user-name

Nobody have access to 2257 forms excepting service administration. Noone is able to reupload files to their own hosts. All files are hosted on service servers, webmasters are able to operate only with links to files download pages (with contributor's promotion materials).

This is monetization scheme:

40% for content owner - 30% for webmaster - 10% for site owner - 20% for the service

20% to cover hosting bills, to pay staff, buy some new content and get few bucks as profit - not that much.

If content owner don't want to sell his content to let it be downloaded for free, it is possible to make it downloadable only for premium users, no problem. However I don't see why not to sell your content to such service if you sell it to tubes.

You can call it file-locker, or content-locker or whatever you want. The idea is to make this thing work fully legit. However it's impossible without content owners support.

In my opinion it's a better monetisation in comparison with tubes for example.

Nobody outside the program or the shooter should have access to the 2257 data. I'll tell you why.

We were approached 2 years ago by Japanese company to supply amateur asian content.
They listed three sites as to where the content would be shown. After some research I found tons and tons, more than 20-30 sites where I was seeing the same content over and over. Not included in the three site list. I asked the company to detail in the schedule exactly what sites the content would appear on as they too wanted 2257 docs.

Never heard back.

You have the potential for a good idea but right now content shooters and the models/actors are the ones likely to benefit the least.

[user-name]

So, I can assume, noone is interested to sell/provide their content to such kind of service.

[bonybeautiful]

Originally Posted by AHarper

Not saying you are wrong but aren't that the same arguments against tube sites years ago? Today you only read: Adapt or die. And many people have adapted.

-1 Maybe you're not a content producer. This model rewards the file lockers the most and the content producers the least. Yet the file locker is nothing without the content. Perhaps your phrase should read "adapt and die a slow death".

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

Torrents and file lockers are super lazy fucks who want to make money from our hard earned work.

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book. I do all the work necessary to achieve good content.

If a file locker were to pay me the same as a paysite owner would pay then yes, we would aboard this idea. Until these files lockers can match that, no deal!

I charge program "paysite" owners $2500 for a full exclusive boy-girl video with matching stills.

File lockers are stealing from us and still finding ways to be a part of us here in GFY. Con artists.
This thread is proof.

Agreed

[iSpyCams]

There is nothing efficient or desireable about file lockers that makes it a better content delivery system than the ones currently used by paysites.

For downloading large amounts of content usenet and bittorent are much better, more efficient and reliable than http downloads.

From a consumer standpoint piracy is literally the only appeal. Every content owner already has his own "file locker" in the form of a technologically superior paysite that he sells access to. The file locker brings nothing to the table for the webmaster or the paying customer. It's useful for Piracy and sending large files, and that's it.

[The Porn Nerd]

File lockers are bad....mmkay?

[user-name]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

There is nothing efficient or desireable about file lockers that makes it a better content delivery system than the ones currently used by paysites.

For downloading large amounts of content usenet and bittorent are much better, more efficient and reliable than http downloads.

From a consumer standpoint piracy is literally the only appeal. Every content owner already has his own "file locker" in the form of a technologically superior paysite that he sells access to. The file locker brings nothing to the table for the webmaster or the paying customer. It's useful for Piracy and sending large files, and that's it.

The idea was not to use only content owner-uploaded content. I was asking for buying content for this service. I don't see any problem to sell tube-licensed content to filelocker. I don't see any problems to sell paysite-licensed content to file locker, if it can be dowloaded only by locker's premium users. It's just another form of selling content. It's symbiosis of tube and classic paysite in filelocker skin. However the better way to solve this is to contact sellers personally as I understand.

[user-name]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

File lockers are bad....mmkay?

Yeap, this is the only thing people see in this thread

[Jane-Busty.pl]

Originally Posted by user-name

Yeap, this is the only thing people see in this thread

user-name, we're in. 3wa at 3wasonnet dot com
Please email Your name, skype, FB profile. We'll continue with details via skype.

[Rumbledog]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

There is already a company doing this http://contentpusher.com

The correct idea is to offer file locker type membership to download preloaded content that has been specifically licensed for this purpose.

If you allow users to upload content then you are just leaving the whole system open to abuse and that will mean at some point I'll be closing down your payment processing arrangements.

I love this guy! Great work adult king!

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by user-name

The idea was not to use only content owner-uploaded content. I was asking for buying content for this service. I don't see any problem to sell tube-licensed content to filelocker. I don't see any problems to sell paysite-licensed content to file locker, if it can be dowloaded only by locker's premium users. It's just another form of selling content. It's symbiosis of tube and classic paysite in filelocker skin. However the better way to solve this is to contact sellers personally as I understand.

You need to understand this situation from a content producers point of view:


1st off; people that sell to the tubes are people and companies that are closing up shop, leaving the content producing business or need quick money to feed their kids because the content producig business has dried up. Thats because people like yourself think that pennies on the dollar is a good deal. And for you it is, but not so much for the content producer. That may be his last content sell ever.


Now you have the "Content Stores": Their business model is shooting scenes and selling them to pay sites on a limited un-exclusive or massively un-exclusive deal (price varies depending on how many times it was sold) to small websites that may not have the capitol to shoot exclusive or want to supplement their sites with more content to keep their members happy.


These store are really good and profitable for various reasons. But for content stores to sell to a tube site, a file locker type site, will surly piss off their pay site customer base. Why would the content store costumers like what they payed for to be everywhere for free?


Everything has changed. Business models, production, distribution, etc. Its truly adapt or die on every level of the porn biz. There is still money to be made if you are willing to work hard and adapt to the current situation.


How we all adapt and move from here is the key to business survival. Even the tube site model has changed. The majority of the tubes sites have moved into the affiliate style model and has been working hand in hand with pay sites and web masters to pay sites I know a lot of companies loading legal clips onto tube sites and receiving traffic+sign ups.

Another issue thats going on right now is: All of the tube sites have all the same resold un-exclusive content, are having problems getting new content, no fresh content. Why? Because 99% of the content producers are all out of business. Very few new scenes are being shot compared to 6+ years ago.


Very few people are shooting new and exclusive content. And as a result there is way less to resale-able un-exclusive content, way less to steal, etc.




I also think that the next change in business will be; Everyone in the tube biz have the same low quality un-exclussive content, same minded traffic, etc. I can see one of them start thinking outside the box to make changes to increase their market share. Tube-sites shooting exclusive scenes for their sites in order to keep their members and their traffic base happy. Why? All of these Tubes are battling to keep, maintain and gain, their market share. (Could be wrong/But seems logical)





Mr. user-name;

I think you should go find who sold the content you see on the tubes, and see what deal you can get for those scenes. I don't really see "Still in Business" Shooters ever selling you scenes and still be in business much longer.


Two reason:


What ever "Content Stores" sell you, no other pay site will want becuase it will be everywhere really fast and will dramaticly reduce the value of what the "pay site" owner just bought.


You can tell me what ever you want; Praters are way more plentiful on a file sharing site than paying to be on pay sites.



And more importantly "Shooters" do not trust web masters! Not even a little bit!


A bit long winded, but those are the facts from someone who feeds his two kids with what I make shooting Exclusive scenes.

Hope that helps,

Just Dave

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by user-name

The idea was not to use only content owner-uploaded content. I was asking for buying content for this service. I don't see any problem to sell tube-licensed content to filelocker. I don't see any problems to sell paysite-licensed content to file locker, if it can be dowloaded only by locker's premium users. It's just another form of selling content. It's symbiosis of tube and classic paysite in filelocker skin. However the better way to solve this is to contact sellers personally as I understand.

if you want to buy content for this - no problem at all

www.amazingcontent.com

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if you want to buy content for this - no problem at all

www.amazingcontent.com

And I would like to add, that this guy has one of the best content store. Good guy and class act.


Just Dave

[bean-aid]

I believe the concept is legit... I just think it needs to be cautious of size and not look so much like a locker site.

... And definitely not a tube site look either.

sounds painfully similar to something I developed which has been on the back burner for months now.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

And I would like to add, that this guy has one of the best content store. Good guy and class act.


Just Dave

thanks!

i chuckled a little cause we posted at the same time and it's quite contradicting.

i do agree to most of what you said but one thing: content that is sold to tubes is also still being sold to paysites.

Just a little problem: there are hardly any small paysites left that update non-exclusive content. At least not general hardcore content.

And why? Because you cannot compete with paysite monsters like Bangbros, Brazzers or similar

Many of the small guys had limited resources - means not enough content, slow delivery, outdated formats etc. And yes, in that case you lose against tube sites.

but i dont think the big sites i mentioned above struggle.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

thanks!

i chuckled a little cause we posted at the same time and it's quite contradicting.

i do agree to most of what you said but one thing: content that is sold to tubes is also still being sold to paysites.

Just a little problem: there are hardly any small paysites left that update non-exclusive content. At least not general hardcore content.

And why? Because you cannot compete with paysite monsters like Bangbros, Brazzers or similar

Many of the small guys had limited resources - means not enough content, slow delivery, outdated formats etc. And yes, in that case you lose against tube sites.

but i dont think the big sites i mentioned above struggle.

I agree.


When it come to resale, you are more of the expert. But I was informed that some of the smaller content stores, do limited to some pay paysites for bit at a higher price before it would go to the masses and tubes. But then again this is what American resellers probably tell me, because the want to sell me at the higher rate. lol



But I do know you are way more qualified on resale than I am.

Im the exclusive guy. Exclusive is my thing. lol




You going to internet New Orleans?


Got a few things I'm working on will link up with you soon to see what we can do.


Just Dave

[Useless Warrior]

Originally Posted by Rumbledog

I shoot content, I pay all the talent from my pocket book.

You carry a pocketbook?

[2MuchMark]

I don't think this will work. File Locker style sites are hated by every content producer and every model who has ever had their content stolen.

Plus, there is no reason to use a file locker style website. Smart content producers and models want to OWN their customers and build their brand; neither of which can be done with file lockers.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by **********

I don't think this will work. File Locker style sites are hated by every content producer and every model who has ever had their content stolen.

Plus, there is no reason to use a file locker style website. Smart content producers and models want to OWN their customers and build their brand; neither of which can be done with file lockers.

I think you are correct about the look. Anything will work, just depends on how well it works.

[AFSC]

We can supply content for this venture. HD, SD or DVD's. Contact us.

[SmutHammer]

Here is an opinion from a smallish program owner who still shoots exclusive high quality hardcore material...

First off, I don't like tubes and do not upload my content to them.

One of the big problems I see with anyone doing this is like feeding the enemy when they are starving.. File lockers are known for pirating our content just like tubes. It would take something major for me to make a deal with someone who stole my car last week...

Another problem I see is putting that much content on one site at such a low price is going to devalue our own websites forcing many to lower their membership prices.

It seems the same as the tubes. Desperate programs upload their content in return for shit traffic

[Freax]

Looks like you want to open clips4sale for webmasters

I see many people try to do some like this. But it's not work. Some Content Sellers offers this service as "partnership" for studios and photographers. But for conditions I wont sell me old stuff.

If you want get producers you must offer more % for them, and don't charging for anything in advance. Don't forget they give the stuff you want to make money with.

and better kick out the file-locker idea. It has not a good karma at all. Better you give any of your future customers a own interface to upload and admin the content. Registration only with verfied for professionals, with all IDs and docs, including from the content owner.

[Rumbledog]

only sell out content producers will join forces with file lockers who once stole from us all.

[user-name]

Once again, it's just mimicry for filelocker. Noone excepting authorized content owners able to upload anything to the system. It's just to attract customers who are into filelocker model of getting content. Thanks for responses, I'll contact all the sellers as soon as we'll make this thing work.

One more thing. If someone uploads tons of his stuff to tubes to get some traffic, why not to upload the same materials to this kind of service and get another portion of traffic and sign ups with the same content. And note that users of tubes - are complete freetards. To pay for porn is the last thing they will do. Users of filelockers are all limited and stimulated to buy subscription. This is better advertising platform as I can see.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I agree.

When it come to resale, you are more of the expert. But I was informed that some of the smaller content stores, do limited to some pay paysites for bit at a higher price before it would go to the masses and tubes. But then again this is what American resellers probably tell me, because the want to sell me at the higher rate. lol

But I do know you are way more qualified on resale than I am.

Im the exclusive guy. Exclusive is my thing. lol

You going to internet New Orleans?

Got a few things I'm working on will link up with you soon to see what we can do.


Just Dave

sorry, no New Orleans for me...

too much stuff to work on here and too much travelling involved.

Originally Posted by user-name

Once again, it's just mimicry for filelocker. Noone excepting authorized content owners able to upload anything to the system. It's just to attract customers who are into filelocker model of getting content. Thanks for responses, I'll contact all the sellers as soon as we'll make this thing work.

One more thing. If someone uploads tons of his stuff to tubes to get some traffic, why not to upload the same materials to this kind of service and get another portion of traffic and sign ups with the same content. And note that users of tubes - are complete freetards. To pay for porn is the last thing they will do. Users of filelockers are all limited and stimulated to buy subscription. This is better advertising platform as I can see.

i understood what you meant, i thought about something similar in the past - just that i dont have the traffic for it

and while i would not be interested in partnerships or % deals, i would have no problem selling content for this