wow!! Koreans are some serious mother fuckers!!

[Grapesoda]

On Friday afternoon, one of those rescued from the ferry committed suicide, according to local police. Kang Min-gyu, vice principal of the high school where the 325 students on board the ship attended, was found hanged near the gymnasium on Jindo island where family members of the victims have gathered.

Police said Mr. Kang left a note behind that read: "Please hold me responsible for all of this. I pushed for the school excursion. Cremate my body and spread my ashes over the ship sinking site. I may become a teacher again in the afterlife for the students whose bodies have yet to be found."


--- -- can you imagine any US politician accepting ANY responsibility for anything???

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...325226006.html

[~Ray]

deep shit

[Rikki-Nyx]

Never underestimate the honor of Asians... Thai's... Japanese.. Koreans.. They are hardcore about that stuff.

[femdomdestiny]

yeah. I was reading somewhere that some crazy japaneese guys did suicide because train he was riding was late (few minutes or so)

[JuicyBunny]

Never fucking confuse koreans and Japanese. First one off that boat was the fucking korean captain. FACT. Its in the news. Just like the italian asshat a couple years ago off the coast of Italy cruise ship sinking. - xoxoxo shochu messenger service.

[dyna mo]

there's nothing honorable, worthy, or beneficial in what that dipshit did.

He hung himself from a tree where the children had gathered to mourn the tragedy, that's a dipshit move.

and according to reuter's he didn't write any letter assuming responsibility.

He appeared to have hanged himself with his belt from a tree outside a gym in the port city of Jindo where relatives of the people missing on the ship, mostly children from the school, were gathered.

Police said Kang did not leave a suicide note and that they had started looking for him after he was reported missing by a fellow teacher.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Never fucking confuse koreans and Japanese. First one off that boat was the fucking korean captain. FACT. Its in the news. Just like the italian asshat a couple years ago off the coast of Italy cruise ship sinking. - xoxoxo shochu messenger service.

I have never understood that - Why does the captain go down with the ship? - They don't pay some ferry driver enough for that shit...

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there's nothing honorable, worthy, or beneficial in what that dipshit did.

He hung himself from a tree where the children had gathered to mourn the tragedy, that's a dipshit move.

and according to reuter's he didn't write any letter assuming responsibility.

I don't see how the Vice-Principal is in any way culpable for the ferry disaster.

I do sense that the VP was overcome with grief, and since he survived while it appears a large number of students did not, he was also probably wracked with survivor's guilt (a form of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome).

A very tragic situation...my sympathy to those who lost loved ones and whose lives were sadly impacted by this tragedy.



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[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I have never understood that - Why does the captain go down with the ship? - They don't pay some ferry driver enough for that shit...

They started that rule after a captain jumped off a ship right before it hit a rock.
As he jumped he screamed back to the ship "You're on your own motherfuckers".

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I don't see how the Vice-Principal is in any way culpable for the ferry disaster.

I do sense that the VP was overcome with grief, and since he survived while it appears a large number of students did not, he was also probably wracked with survivor's guilt (a form of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome).

A very tragic situation...my sympathy to those who lost loved ones and whose lives were sadly impacted by this tragedy.



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It's a horrible situation and I don't see how the vp was responsible either. Even with surviver guilt, I think his committing suicide by hanging himself from a tree where the children and family survivors came to mourn the tragedy isn't an adult way to handle survivor guilt.

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I have never understood that - Why does the captain go down with the ship? - They don't pay some ferry driver enough for that shit...

Lets say you are driving a car..and you are drunk as fuck and some whore is sucking your cock...and you have passengers...you have an accident and the car flips over 8 times. Everybody dead...except you and the whore. Who is responsible? You or the whore?

[Socks]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

It's a horrible situation and I don't see how the vp was responsible either. Even with surviver guilt, I think his committing suicide by hanging himself from a tree where the children and family survivors came to mourn the tragedy isn't an adult way to handle survivor guilt.

Clear to us, but to someone stricken with a mountain of grief (and from another culture we don't fully understand) he may have done it there so that other people with grief could have someone to blame, somewhere to focus their anger on, etc. Sort of like a "don't hurt them, take me instead" hostage type scenario.

Probably wrong, but maybe in his head something like that was going on by "taking responsibility". Or maybe it was a way of him feeling disgraceful and disgracing himself further by doing it in this way, because that's what he felt he deserved.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Socks

Clear to us, but to someone stricken with a mountain of grief (and from another culture we don't fully understand) he may have done it there so that other people with grief could have someone to blame, somewhere to focus their anger on, etc. Sort of like a "don't hurt them, take me instead" hostage type scenario.

Probably wrong, but maybe in his head something like that was going on by "taking responsibility". Or maybe it was a way of him feeling disgraceful and disgracing himself further by doing it in this way, because that's what he felt he deserved.

Sure, I'm trying to put myself in his shoes, nevertheless, if hari kari is beneficial here, that's fine, but do you think public hari kari, for lack of a better term, in front of survivor children and families helps survivors?

I'm with your other view, I think it was a selfish act on his part based on his personal disgrace, and he simply used the crowd as a means to his own end.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Sure, I'm trying to put myself in his shoes, nevertheless, if hari kari is beneficial here, that's fine, but do you think public hari kari, for lack of a better term, in front of survivor children and families helps survivors?

I'm with your other view, I think it was a selfish act on his part based on his personal disgrace, and he simply used the crowd as a means to his own end.

ritual suicide is 'public' so the dude offing himself where he can be seen is intentional, that way his 'sacrifice for honor' can be accepted without shame by either party. i.e. the guy is 'showing his willingness' to step up and do the right thing. not a concept that translates well into western culture...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

ritual suicide is 'public' so the dude offing himself where he can be seen is intentional, that way his 'sacrifice for honor' can be accepted without shame by either party. i.e. the guy is 'showing his willingness' to step up and do the right thing. not a concept that translates well into western culture...

That's why I used the term hari kari. It's Japanese though and it's been pointed already sk is not Japan. Nevertheless, there's a time and place for everything.

This was not the time or the place and his assuming responsibility was misplaced, there's not a right-minded person on this planet that would place blame on him for what happened. So just adding a gruesome public death in front of already stricken children still trying to comprehend what happened just hours/days into the tragedy doesn't help anybody or anything.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Out of 29 crewmembers, 20 people, including the captain, Lee Joon-seok, survived, the coast guard said.

Danwon High School students hold papers with messages such as "come back," "miss you," "love you" and "don't lose your hope" for their friends who are missing.

Near the site of the ferry, angry and bewildered relatives gathered on a nearby island watched the rescue attempts. Some held a Buddhist prayer ritual, crying and praying for their relatives' safe return.

'I want to jump into the water with them,' said Park Geum-san, 59, the great-aunt of another missing student, Park Ye-ji. 'My loved one is under the water and it's raining. Anger is not enough.'

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[MrTrollkien]

[But Mr. Cho disobeyed the order, helping a few classmates clamber higher before jumping into the water himself, where he was rescued, he recalls.]

That was the best act of disobedience Mr. Cho could have done. Just like in the Twin Towers and the "instructions" for people to stay in the building only to die a horrible death, people in emergencies need to somehow figure out how to ignore deadly advice when appropriate.

[Rochard]

That's not hardcore at all. The fucker refused to take blame and instead committed suicide. What a fucking pussy.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's not hardcore at all. The fucker refused to take blame and instead committed suicide. What a fucking pussy.

For what is he to blame?

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

ritual suicide is 'public' so the dude offing himself where he can be seen is intentional, that way his 'sacrifice for honor' can be accepted without shame by either party. i.e. the guy is 'showing his willingness' to step up and do the right thing. not a concept that translates well into western culture...

That's the word.

If it was me in that situation and in that culture, I'd like to think I'd have the courage to do the same (but in a different location).

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

On Friday afternoon, one of those rescued from the ferry committed suicide, according to local police. Kang Min-gyu, vice principal of the high school where the 325 students on board the ship attended, was found hanged near the gymnasium on Jindo island where family members of the victims have gathered.

Police said Mr. Kang left a note behind that read: "Please hold me responsible for all of this. I pushed for the school excursion. Cremate my body and spread my ashes over the ship sinking site. I may become a teacher again in the afterlife for the students whose bodies have yet to be found."


--- -- can you imagine any US politician accepting ANY responsibility for anything???

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...325226006.html

He pushed too much, and he took his life. Jez he could't live with it

[[ Nate ]]

Horrible. That's an extreme form of taking responsibility. Just guilt I guess...

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

They started that rule after a captain jumped off a ship right before it hit a rock.
As he jumped he screamed back to the ship "You're on your own motherfuckers".

hahahaha

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by ~Ray

deep shit

no, deep ship

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

That's why I used the term hari kari. It's Japanese though and it's been pointed already sk is not Japan. Nevertheless, there's a time and place for everything.

This was not the time or the place and his assuming responsibility was misplaced, there's not a right-minded person on this planet that would place blame on him for what happened. So just adding a gruesome public death in front of already stricken children still trying to comprehend what happened just hours/days into the tragedy doesn't help anybody or anything.

you misinterpret the situation or are trying to apply western though... when the guy took the children on the trip he assumed responsibility for the kids... remember this is the real shit not legal western bullshit... the kids die in his care.... he must accept responsibility to alleviate the shame, and show that is a stand up... he kills himself... you are possibly not able to see or understand... you keep pointing out the death is gruesome, in front of children etc blah blah blah... couldn't be further from the truth... if anything this was a valuable lesson for the kids on how to be a man and step up.

[TheSquealer]

Its a different culture for sure. There was that 747 that crashed (UPS?) with a Korean crew that basically let the pilot nearly invert the plane, lose control and fly straight into the ground as he got disoriented and wouldn't rely on the instruments and never said a single word because it just isn't in their culture to question the authority figure/elder etc etc.

[Lichen]

He was rescued from the sinking boat and many of his students are still missing.

Survivor guilt? Very sad.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you misinterpret the situation or are trying to apply western though... when the guy took the children on the trip he assumed responsibility for the kids... remember this is the real shit not legal western bullshit... the kids die in his care.... he must accept responsibility to alleviate the shame, and show that is a stand up... he kills himself... you are possibly not able to see or understand... you keep pointing out the death is gruesome, in front of children etc blah blah blah... couldn't be further from the truth... if anything this was a valuable lesson for the kids on how to be a man and step up.

the facts were missreported. The fact is he went off and offed himself at that tree when no one was around. So it wasn't public in front of the children and grieving family and few rescued survivors.

Much different scenario, although certainly not following the protocols of a public shaming suicide/hari kari.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the facts were missreported. The fact is he went off and offed himself at that tree when no one was around. So it wasn't public in front of the children and grieving family and few rescued survivors.

Much different scenario, although certainly not following the protocols of a public shaming suicide/hari kari.

very directly: if you had my kids and they got killed ... .would very much appreciate it and respect you for it, if you killed yourself ... and that no fucking joke at all ...

the guy might have been a bit dodgy, but in the end he stepped up, and in the end that's what's important :isn't it? : cents:

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

very directly: if you had my kids and they got killed ... .would very much appreciate it and respect you for it, if you killed yourself ... and that no fucking joke at all ...

the guy might have been a bit dodgy, but in the end he stepped up, and in the end that's what's important :isn't it? : cents:

As you pointed out earlier, I don't understand South Korean culture like you do.

If it's that important and helps that this guy kill himself when there are still children's bodies submerged in the wreckage, then I'm glad there's [more] closure.

[JJ Gold]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

He appeared to have hanged himself with his belt from a tree outside a gym

That is not suicide. That is public AEA. It is very popular in Korea, especially during the summer months.

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by Rikki-Nyx

Never underestimate the honor of Asians... Thai's... Japanese.. Koreans.. They are hardcore about that stuff.

Thais not so much...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

That is not suicide. That is public AEA. It is very popular in Korea, especially during the summer months.

the OP started off with the word *suicide*, I went with it, in fact, I tried to come up with a better term, thus my using the term, hari kari, with the caveat.

But I have no idea what public aea is, I went ahead and googled it but I'm getting alabama education association and american evaluation association.

[JJ Gold]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the OP started off with the word *suicide*, I went with it, in fact, I tried to come up with a better term, thus my using the term, hari kari, with the caveat.

But I have no idea what public aea is, I went ahead and googled it but I'm getting alabama education association and american evaluation association.

I think AEA is one of those things you are lucky to have never heard of. It seems like real bad news.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7764618

[adultchatpay]

Commiting suicide will not solve anything. I guess he did it purely for honor.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JJ Gold

I think AEA is one of those things you are lucky to have never heard of. It seems like real bad news.


http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7764618

oh, that. gotcha, the michael hutchence method.

That just makes this all that much more weird to me.

I'm still stunned by the whole tragedy honestly. The first story I read about this was the one about the kids texting family members and such, telling them good-bye and that they were all being told to stay put by the crew.

[Strike_ads]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I have never understood that - Why does the captain go down with the ship? - They don't pay some ferry driver enough for that shit...

Even if they paid 1million Id bail instantly! Who the fuck wouldn't?

[bronco67]

he has a really misplaced sense of guilt.

[Phoenix]

I am in Korea. Most people don't think he needed to kill himself. The captain is another story though. He is lucky to be in police custody.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

As you pointed out earlier, I don't understand South Korean culture like you do.

If it's that important and helps that this guy kill himself when there are still children's bodies submerged in the wreckage, then I'm glad there's [more] closure.

yes...think of the shame of the poor man's family... death/honor have a very wide range ... now the families of EVERYONE involved can be shame free...

think of that poor captain in custody... he can't step up now and has shamed himself and his family and his ancestors as well.... I bet he would jump at the chance for a sharp knife right about now...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I am in Korea. Most people don't think he needed to kill himself. The captain is another story though. He is lucky to be in police custody.

"Most people" this is the key I think... Korean culture is being diluted by western culture and Jesus.. 100 years ago might have been 'everybody'

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny

Lets say you are driving a car..and you are drunk as fuck and some whore is sucking your cock...and you have passengers...you have an accident and the car flips over 8 times. Everybody dead...except you and the whore. Who is responsible? You or the whore?

Your scenario - Although disturbing - Is not is not exactly what went down in Korea is it...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

think of that poor captain in custody... he can't step up now and has shamed himself and his family and his ancestors as well.... I bet he would jump at the chance for a sharp knife right about now...

Are you referring to the captain that abandoned ship and left those children to die? Or another captain?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I have never understood that - Why does the captain go down with the ship? - They don't pay some ferry driver enough for that shit...

It's not about going down with the ship, it's about chain of command which has rigourous structure aboard a marine vessel. orders come from the captain, he would handle and direct abandoning ship and is supposed to be the last one off,
that doesn't mean going down with the ship, that means captaining the vessel whiles it's still floating- doing his job.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there's nothing honorable, worthy, or beneficial in what that dipshit did.

He hung himself from a tree where the children had gathered to mourn the tragedy, that's a dipshit move.

and according to reuter's he didn't write any letter assuming responsibility.

it wasn't a public area, it took a day or two to find his body according to BBC news.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

it wasn't a public area, it took a day or two to find his body according to BBC news.

keep reading the thread.