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Yeah, I agree, I would like to see some more evidence on this. I still believe there is more to this than we know.I'm not buying the "i pad my fees to the state" Bundy is trying to sell. FAct is you can't just send money in randomly to a state office.
"hey mr State office clerk, here's a check for $10,000, I actually owe that to the BLM, even though I do NOT have a lease with them so I don't have a bill to go along with that check."
State clerk: "cool, thank you for your prompt payment of money you owe the federal government to a random state office."
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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What he was doing was found to be illegal in a court of law. He didn't stop doing it, and he refused to pay the fine. Maybe criminal is too hard of a term I'll give you that, but he's still breaking the law. Just because he refuses to acknowledge the existing of the federal government doesn't make him immune. Even the other ranchers agree with the government.
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You're anti-fox news bias as completely blinded you to what's important about this event.
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Read this
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...rst-amendment/
and study this photo
That's what's important here, not whether or not Bundy is a welfare cowboy.
I don't get it. What does the first amendment have to do with this? He used land that he should have paid for but didn't. What does it have to do with free speech?Comment
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read the article. But in short, when Bundy's supporters showed up, the BLM cordoned off that area in the picture where they tried to corral the demonstrators into.
The 1st amendment does not work that way, there are not free speech zones in america(where you can speak your mind inside of them but not outside of them, America in totality is a fucking free speech zone.Comment
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http://www.8newsnow.com/story/253015...-under-scrutin
"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.
Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.
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the issue in this story for me was BLM overstepping their authority. Regardless of bundy being a free rider, which he was by definition. When the BLM reevaluated , stepped back and deescalated, the story was over. Good for them.Comment
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The Fox News poster-(cow)boy is apparently a lying mooching con-artist seditionist...Cliven Bundy is the Nevada cattle rancher who for more than two decades has refused to pay grazing fees to the federal Bureau of Land Management, claiming that he should be exempt because (a) he does not recognize the existence of the Federal government in Nevada and (b) he has ancient ancestral rights to the land upon which his cows graze and poop.
Bundy's story has inspired Fox News?particularly Sean Hannity?to whore itself out to the armed militia freakshow in a naked ploy for ratings. While even Hannity has conceded that Bundy probably is on the wrong side of the law, they've presented him as a sympathetic figure: A simple man fighting in his twilight years against an out-of-control Leviathan state helmed by the anti-Christ himself, President B. Hussein Obama-Ayers.
Bundy says his family has rights to the land dating back to the 19th century, a claim that even if it were rooted in reality wouldn't change a damn thing about the fact that he's a deadbeat rancher refusing to pay his fare share who doesn't even have the support of his fellow ranchers in Nevada. But it turns out that not even that claim is true, as flagged by our very own nachtwulf and uncovered by the investigative reporting team at KLAS-TV, the CBS affiliate in Las Vegas, Nevada.
As they report, despite Bundy's ability to tell a good yarn...
On a substantive basis, it really wouldn't matter if Bundy weren't a fraud?even if his family had lived on his ranch since 1877, it wouldn't change the fact that his cattle are grazing on Federal, not private, land and that he should play by the same rules as everybody else. But he is a fraud, and somehow that makes his story an even more fitting symbol for what America's far right has become.Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.
Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.
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A little context on the bundy story...
Clive bundy paid grazing fees for a while to the BLM, but then then the BLM was using money against the ranchers, to buy outstanding permits and make their life more difficult. His family grazed the land for years but however long ago they had a change of mind to protect the endangered desert tortoise, so he tried paying the county and other agencies who refused. Basically he refused to financially support an agency that was trying to put him out of business... But really when they determined he couldn't graze the land anymore I'm not so sure he was on the hook for grazing fees as he's not supposed to be there but imagine the govt showing up one day and kicking you off your own land or land you've been on for 100 years. Not saying he's right but it's still brutal, I certainly wouldn't paint the man as some ingrate.... The long and short of it is he wasn't trying to he a cheapskate and get out of fees, he simply didn't want to move and pay money to a govt agency trying to put him out of business.
There's a history of the BLM selling land off to solar companies. While most of this has been linked to one specific company and that has been debunked pretty fairly, who knows what the true future use of the plans entail and if there is a hidden motive in trying to kick bundy off the land.Last edited by Biggy; 04-23-2014, 06:45 AM.Comment
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