First the Bundy thing...
Now the BLM is moving in on Texas and the US Forestry Service is fucking with New Mexico.
WTF?
Now the BLM is moving in on Texas and the US Forestry Service is fucking with New Mexico.
WTF?
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It's unreal. I thought this guy was supposed to be a "Liberal" not a Fascist.-Robbie
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Around 50% of the US is federal land. There has long been a theory that they have leveraged the land (or the resources on it) as collateral to obtain loans from China.
It could be that they need to completely free up the land to eliminate ownership and use rights questions. That could be one reason for targeting all of these ranchers.
There was a rumor awhile back that Hillary Clinton offered China the rights to execute eminent domain proceedings in the US, but I don't believe things have progressed that far. I'm more inclined to believe it involved federal land and not private.
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Graze your cattle on your own private land /problem“If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
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Can you please point me to Obama's part in all this? Show me some legislation or a mandate where he told the BLM to go grab this rancher's land or that one's. Can you show me where he did the same for the US forestry office? I'm pretty sure BLM has been grabbing land long before Obama came to office and I've yet to see anywhere that Obama started some new mandate to grab people's land.
I mean really are you just gonna blame Obama for every little thing that goes wrong in govt but never give any credit for anything right?Last edited by crockett; 04-16-2014, 02:38 PM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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Nope, just gonna say that is it HIS administration doing it RIGHT NOW.
And not just here...
I'm sure you heard what HIS administration did a couple of years ago to Gibson Guitars right in the middle of a horrible economy too.
If Bush was in charge, you would blame him (and rightly so).
Or as Harry Truman said: "The buck stops here".
Either Pres. Obama is actually in charge of the Executive Branch, or he is ignorant of EVERYTHING they are doing.
And if that is the case, then he is incompetent.
And even if he IS incompetent...all he had to do was turn on the news and see what was happening. Then he COULD have immediately ordered that shit to stop.
But he did not.
Sorry crockett, but I hold bureaucrats responsible for their bullshit. I am not beholden to the two "teams" (repubs and dems) the way that most of the country seems to be.
I don't like EITHER bunch of them. They are all crooks.-Robbie
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The U.S. govt. has been pulling this shit for a long time.
Maybe I just reached my tipping point when I fucked up and believed that Obama was gonna be "different" back in 2008.
Like a mouse in a maze, if I get shocked enough times touching the wrong wall...I'm eventually gonna figure it out.
That time has come for me.
It's time for the federal govt. to be reigned in and it's time for an end to the "two-party" system and lifetime/career politicians.-Robbie
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is it real or part of the New World Order/Agenda 21
remember Batman - Dark Knight Rises, Gary Oldman points to the map & it says 'Sandy Hook'
they always tell you before they do it.
go over to GodlikeProductions
RIP Michael Ruppert - check out his videos on 9/11 on Youtube.GFY King?Comment
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The president isn't a dictator. He doesn't run around making everyone jump or shoot them if they don't. BLM or the Forestry service or any other govt office act on laws. Those laws are written by congress and signed by the president and eventually enforced by what ever govt agency they were intended to be used by.
Obama doesn't say hey BLM.. go take this rancher's land because I want a new park named after me.. It doesn't work that way.
You want him to act and say stop.. Yet weren't you just complaining in another topic about how many executive actions Obama has done? Complaining when he does act on his own and then complaining when he doesn't is just silly. There is nothing he can ever do to satisfy you guys because no matter what he does or doesn't do it's always bad.Last edited by crockett; 04-16-2014, 02:59 PM.In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.Comment
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How do you know that? Why are you so quick to categorize everyone...but so quick to get defensive over criticism of a politician?
I simply don't think the U.S. govt. should be doing this. And I don't think they should be killing people with drones worldwide. And I don't think they should have dropped the atomic bomb on two CITIES (not military targets, but men, women, and children).
And I don't think they should be spying on us. The list of shit they pull goes on and on.
Personally, I don't give a fuck who the President is.
If they are doing WRONG...then they are doing WRONG.
If you think it's all good because Pres. Obama is a Democrat, or because he is a black man...then that is your choice.
I don't give a fuck what he calls himself...Democrat or Republican. And I don't give a fuck if he's white, black,yellow, or green.
He came into office promising to fix shit. And instead...he's no different than Bush on these kinds of things.
It's all about greed and corruption from what I see. The little guy gets squished by the giant Federal bureaucracy.
And as I said earlier...Pres. Obama is either in CHARGE or he is not.
He could have stopped this before it got stupid.
But for some reason he did not.
And in my experience...when something doesn't make sense (like sending in a small army to go after a cattle rancher in the desert), then you need to FOLLOW THE MONEY. Because somewhere there is a hidden agenda and a lot of money at stake that we aren't being told about.-Robbie
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Pres. Obama IS the executive branch.
And having his BLM or any of the other agencies go after people is his job. It's not an "executive order" that circumvents congress.
And what I said VERY specifically is:
Either the Pres. is in charge or he is not.
If he was too busy at fundraisers and giving speeches at high schools to be "in the loop" for damn near anything and everything...then he is incompetent.
But even if that is so...all he had to do was turn on the television to see what was happening. And THEN he COULD have stopped it.
I do not believe for one second that he is incompetent or ignorant about the things that are going on.
The fact he did not so anything even after all hell broke loose says to me that the whole thing is a favor to Sen. Reid (of my state), who obviously has something planned for that desert land.
That is the way it appears to me.
But go ahead...keep defending a lifetime/career politician who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire...UNLESS he had some way of making money on helping you. lolLast edited by Robbie; 04-16-2014, 03:13 PM.-Robbie
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Yeah, things like if you like your insurance you can keep it
or that The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I, therefore, intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt.
Who believes anything the President says, LOLCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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We do all get that this our land as Americans and this guy was using it for free. Now they have a use for it and he is all bummed that his free use of our land is done.Comment
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He didn't want to pay the fees to let his cattle feed there. He owes over 300k and he doesn't recognized the us government. Now that s ok but some single mom getting 500 a month in food stamps is a free loader. LolComment
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No, some of the political activists who plant "conspiracy theories" about the President to rile up the crazies are the ones to blame for that shit. Not all critics of the Pres.
It's pure political garbage what they do.
In a way I think it empowered Pres. Obama when all that stupid shit happened.
I loved the way he played Hulk Hogan's theme music "I Am A Real American" and had his birth certificate on the big screen at the Press Dinner a few years ago and made fun of Donald Trump sitting in the audience.
Criticizing the Pres. for his actions and policies is what people should do if they disagree.
But the kind of dumb shit that Trump and others did was the equivalent of "jumping the shark" and made them all look "crazy".
Hell, leading up to the 2012 election I was listening to Donald Trump discuss what he would do as Pres. and I thought the guy had some good ideas and would be a strong leader.
But once he started up with that "birther" insanity?
That made him look like a total clown to me then.Last edited by Robbie; 04-16-2014, 04:57 PM.-Robbie
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this is nothing new.. it's been a on going court battle for 15+ years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff
, "On November 3, 1998, the Court issued an order permanently enjoining Bundy from grazing his livestock on the former Bunkerville Allotment ('The Allotment'), and ordering him to remove his livestock no later than November 30, 1998, and pay damages to the United States in the amount of $200 per day per head for any remaining livestock on the allotment after November 30, 1998."Comment
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Well to start, Bundy is a criminal. He owes a Million dollars to the US Government and refuses to pay because he refuses to recognize the government.
Even worse, that asshole Sean Hanity at Fox News is stroking the flames. He's got all these redneck hillbillies out there just aching for a violent showdown.Comment
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Lol!
Bundy has been letting his cattle graze on US owned land for 20 years. Like all other ranchers, he has to pay a fee which is about $1.20 per month per cow. If he doesn't want to use that land, he can let his cattle graze on private land which in that part of the US right now is about $11-$12.
Bundy has been taken to court and found to be breaking the law.
He refused court orders to pay what he owed. All other cattlemen pay but he does not. He is a "Welfare Cowboy".
So now the government had enough and took away his cattle. And what happened? He cried "My freedom is being taken away boo hoo hop" and that psycho Sean Hannity heard about it, and decided to take advantage of the poor guy. That prick spews his hate-filled garbage on fox news and gets the hillbillies panties all in a bunch".
After this, the government does a GOOD THING by letting the cattle go. Those fucking rednecks were about to start shootin' and a hallorin' and lynchin', so the government let the cattle go just to calm those psychopaths down.
But now of course, Sean Hanity won't let it go. That motherfucker actually asked Bundy's son if he's afraid his father will be KILLED by government officials. What a son of a bitch.
You're allowed to have your opinions and say whatever you want, but now Hannity is taking things too far. The situation is bad enough out there and Hannity is making it much worse. This is a new low even for Fox. I hope he gets fired.Last edited by 2MuchMark; 04-16-2014, 05:39 PM.Comment
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Mark, I'm glad you aren't in any position of power.
If you think that a family of ranchers that have been grazing that land since the 1800's are somehow "criminals" then I don't know what to say to you.
And I could care less what Sean Hannity has to say. I'm telling you that there is more to what is going on here than what meets the eye.-Robbie
ClaudiaMarie.ComComment
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if the land was not owned by the government, then it would be owned by some one else, try going on private property and grazing your cattle... you can complain all you want, but if your going to have a cow business, have a way to feed them. stop leaching off people thinking your entitled...looks like the wacky right feels they have an entitlement now.Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
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You're anti-fox news bias as completely blinded you to what's important about this event.
I want to help you, here-
Read this
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...rst-amendment/
and study this photo
That's what's important here, not whether or not Bundy is a welfare cowboy.Comment
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Clearly the government has a beef with cattle ranchers.Comment
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btw no one wanted this land or a gave a fuck about this land for over 100 years
UNTIL Hairy fuckin Reid and his son decides they wanted this land for their solar farm.Comment
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It would have been a flaw only if he read and understood the law he put so much time into.
Passing a law without reading it isn't loony?Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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please stop following what conspiracy news wants to feed you! This was a solar deal that fell though in 2013 at a location over 200 miles away
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013...ct-commission/Comment
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WRONG!
There was a solar farm that was planned near Laughlin (which is about an hour and a half out of Vegas, I go there all the time to the Colorado River). That is the one that got shelved in 2013
The NEW one just happened:
"Signaling the first day of construction of the Moapa Southern Paiute Solar Project, which is about 35 miles from the Bundy homestead in Bunkerville, Nevada, Sen. Reid joined representatives from the Moapa Band of Paiutes, executives from First Solar, Inc. and the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power for the groundbreaking ceremony on March 21."
This was just a couple of weeks ago:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/moapa-...222900653.html
By the way...I've thought for a long time that the desert here in Nevada and California should be covered with solar panels.
It should be paid for by our tax dollars and the electricity it generates should be free (it's from the sun).
Make no mistake about it though...Reid is a career/lifetime politician/crook. And his cronies are going to make bank with this.
He shouldn't have sent the BLM (run by the newly appointed head of it that is his former employee) in like a small military army to bully people here in Nevada though.
I guess since he has spent most of his time during his life AWAY from Nevada...he forgot that there really are a group of families who have worked this hard land for a hundred and fifty years or more.
The people out here don't like bureaucrats from Washington D.C. pushing them around.
It's a shame that more of you aren't the same.-Robbie
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how am I wrong? The Chinese solar deal DID fall through and that is a fact I posted a link to. Fact the distance between Laughlin, Nevada and Bunkerville, Nevada is 177miles. Laughlin is where the Chinese were trying to make a deal on the land
Also the solar company you posted that just broke ground is First Solar and they are a USA company and it is still not located on the land where Bundy's cows are trespassingComment
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You're wrong because you tried to insinuate that there is NO deal for the land near Bundy.
Your post made it sound like Reid had no interest in that land.
But he damn sure does. It's that kind of bullshit half-truth crap that confuses everybody.
Pretty much what you claimed that others were doing.
Why can't people just discuss what is happening without all the half-truths and exaggerations?
WTF?
A huge federal govt. with unlimited funds and resources just bullied a Nevada rancher.
And I see people calling him a "freeloader". Even though I've pointed out that over history, cattle free-range grazed.
The govt. CHANGED that (created a problem). Now they want to "solve" the problem they created by FORCE.
And for what? So Harry Reid can funnel money for the millionth time in his lifelong "career" as a bureaucrat?
If anybody is a "freeloader" it's the federal govt. taking money from ranchers for grazing their cattle on the open range. It's ridiculous. What did the govt. do to "earn" that land or that money? NOTHING.
And what have they ever done with that land?
Well, they tested nuclear bombs on it until Howard Hughes threatened Richard Nixon to make him stop.
I wonder how many tortoises were killed by those nuclear blasts in the 1950's?
And you think that's "okay"?
I just don't understand the thought process of some of y'all.Last edited by Robbie; 04-16-2014, 09:23 PM.-Robbie
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It's 35 miles away from where Bundy lives.
His cows roam 150 square miles. It's an open range cattle herd. No barbed wire fences, etc.
It's the desert out here by the way. It isn't like these cows COULD be kept in a few acres of land. They would starve to death. They have to roam to find enough vegetation to live. You know, like cattle would NATURALLY exist.
Now if it were in Florida (where my family owned a few thousand head of cattle)...then yes, they would be in pastures surrounded by barbed wire and never run out of grass to eat.
But here in the desert? There ain't no grass, except what people plant in their yards or at Casino's and artificially water every day...because it doesn't rain very often here in the desert.
-Robbie
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Because its bullshit. tell your landlord I dont recognize you and stop paying see what happens. Tell him, its your first amendment right. lolYou're anti-fox news bias as completely blinded you to what's important about this event.
I want to help you, here-
Read this
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2...rst-amendment/
and study this photo
That's what's important here, not whether or not Bundy is a welfare cowboy.Last edited by tony286; 04-17-2014, 05:20 AM.Comment
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