I was referring to those who seek out treatment because they know they have a problem and can't quit. People getting treatment for weed are notoriously difficult to help compared to any other addiction

:2 cents::2 cents::winkwink:

Do you have any support for this view because I don't believe this to be factual. HArder than knocking gambling? not a chance. Cocaine. no way. smoking? doubtful. Shopping, no.

At least it's not caffeine that shit will make you go nuts

actually there are proven benefits for caffeine in moderation

REAL cocaine isn't that addictive. Matter of fact scientists only recently "decided" it was addictive. Up until then...they universally said it was not (wonder if the U.S. govt. pressure had anything to do with that).
I'm not talking about that mixture of chemicals called "crack cocaine". I'm talking about honest-to-goodness old school cocaine like the kind that people snorted all the way from ancient times to Benjamin Franklin to Mick Jagger. lol

Smoking (nicotine) seems to be one of the most addictive things I've EVER seen.

Unless you start counting things that normally aren't thought of: sugar, caffeine, and carbohydrates.
The sugar and carbs are hugely addictive and the sugar kills more people every year from related health problems than everything else combined.

a number of addiction specialists don't take people who claim to be addicted to weed seriously. its a mental addiction and doesn't take anywhere near the toll that say crack or heroin does so its often viewed as 'not a big deal' and something someone should be able to quit easily on their own. thing is, if you're doing it every day its not easy and this could be said about almost anything from soda to television. if you are told one day to just not watch tv any more or to not drink a coke when you have been drinking a can of coke daily for 10 years, its not going to be 'easy'.

Exactly. People who are "addicted" to weed, could just as easily say they are "addicted" to watching t.v. or eating candy or playing cards.
It's just something that they have grown accustomed to doing. A "habit" like biting your nails.

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you are completely and absolutely wrong. And you're trying to tell me cocaine addiction is political. I was born at night but not last night.

Try that line on some teenagers not adults in your age and experience group.

Mainstream media reported cocaine epidemics as early as 1894 in Dallas, Texas.
Reports of the cocaine epidemic would foreshadow a familiar theme in later so-called epidemics, namely that cocaine presented a social threat more dangerous than simple health effects and had insidious results when used by blacks and members of the lower class.

Similar anxiety-ridden reports appeared throughout cities in the South leading some to declare that ?the cocaine habit has assumed the proportions of an epidemic among the colored people.?

In 1900, state legislatures in Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee considered anti-cocaine bills for the first time.

You don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

I'm old enough to remember that up until the late 1980's doctors and scientists said that cocaine is only MENTALLY addictive (a habit).

They changed that a couple of decades ago. Don't be an asshole to me dynamo. I've been around the block a time or two.

Cocaine causes you to "jones" for it about 10 minutes after you finish snorting a line. You crave more.

But it's a very temporary thing. Anyone here who has ever enjoyed cocaine recreationally can tell you that.

After you stop "jonesing" (about 30 minutes until the craving stops) you're done.

No "withdrawal". No overriding NEED to find more.

NOTHING like heroin or nicotine or other actual physical addictive drugs.

Why don't you try getting out of the house a bit. And stop insulting me in these conversations. Why don't you try shutting your mouth and listening for once. You might learn something.

Here's some more for you dynamo since you are an "expert" on drugs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_dependence

Read that...cocaine is psychologically addictive. In other words...just like biting your nails. It's in your fucking head. There is NO physical addiction.

And here is an article about what I said earlier about a true killer that IS addictive:
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/02/2...aine/20837016/

But why don't you go ahead and insult me some more from behind your keyboard using your experiences in the big world?

where am I insulting you RObbie?

that said, I am about to, very much.

This has absolutely nothign to do with you claiming coke isn't that addictive. The fact it doesn't have a physical component is irrelevant.

Umm... what on earth are you talking about?

I'm pretty far from anti-drug, but cocaine sure as hell is highly addictive. I guess the addiction could be twisted into the "mental" category in that it's "in your head" through the mechanism of substantial brain chemistry changes, but in truth those are physical changes as it's both a mental and physical addiction. To argue otherwise and then claim to be the ultimate voice of experience is... just... I dunno...

Some of the bloviating shit that gets tossed around here, it's ridiculous.

Nobody seeks out treatment for marijuana, anyone in treatment is court ordered because they got caught with it and they know the treatment programs are bullshit, because marijuana is not addictive.

People asked me why I went to China. I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to go?

You get one life, live it!

As an experiment, why don't ya smoke weed every day for a year, come off it and report your withdrawal experience.

Then do some blow every day for a year, come off, report your experience.

I think you will find a substantial difference.

Not sure why he claims its not addictive and then cites sources clearly explaining the addictive properties, the neurological pathways by which it works, how addiction then occurs and details withdrawal symptoms as well as addiction treatment.

Yes, odd that he'd use that link to back up his point, when it actually refutes said point in detail.

Pure cocaine is NOT physically addictive.
People changing the meaning of addiction doesn't make it so. It can become habit forming. But there is zero physical addiction and withdrawal.

You guys listen to too much "War On Drugs" govt. propaganda.

And yes, compared to people like you and dynamo...I am the voice of experience. You two should get out more often. lol


And I'm glad to see that you've become "addicted" to the word "bloviating"
I have to assume that since you've used it over and over...you MUST be "addicted".

It's shocking to me how and what people think these days.
Cocaine was not only legal...but it was used by lots of people (and still is) politicians, doctors, lawyers, etc. (you know the scourge of society). Hell, it was even the main ingredient in Coca Cola.

It gives you a burst of energy and a very light pleasant head buzz.

And just like caffeine...if you took an un-godly amount...you could speed your heart up too fast and have a heart attack.

99.9999999% of people don't do that. And never will.

Look, all I was saying is that cocaine is NOT physically addictive. It's in your HEAD (psychological) Just like biting your fingernails or any other habits you may have.

No it's odd that you two would talk about things that you obviously don't know anything about.
Goodbye from this conversation.

Love your site and I've been an affiliate for a long time. But you are full of shit on this particular subject.

Later...I have to go shoot some porn. :)

That's 2x you've said that. give it a rest. Fact is, compared to anyone YOU think YOU are the voice of experience.

I've done blow every day for a year before. No big deal. And no, I wasn't doing MASSIVE quantities. A bump or two when I was out playing in my band 7 nights a week.
I also had drinks every night.

Didn't have ANY withdrawal symptoms from anything.

As I said, I've been around the block that you have apparently only viewed from behind the curtain hidden away in your home.

I really have to go now to go set up to shoot a scene. But when I saw this...I had to respond.

You guys are dorks. lol And Keith Richards will probably live to a much older age than both of you. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Some people never let's facts get in the way of a good rant... :2 cents: :upsidedow

http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post...gh-388161.jpeg

From the National Institute of Health (so take it with a gram of whatever):

:stoned

ADG

People do that all the time, it's called going to jail. LOL

But then again, I smoked cigarettes for 4 years while in the Navy, then just stopped the day I go out. No big deal.

Depends on the person and what they need it for. I smoke a little now and then to help me sleep. I have a card in California. Only need a hit of maybe 2 hits and I'm baked. I don't need it, but it helps to slow my mind down. I come up with some cool ideas when that happens.

fiction and fact from Robbie's almanac.

Huh. Where is this fantasy world where I don't have firsthand experience of this stuff? Sign me up, honestly, it probably would've made things less complicated at times. And to hear myself described as a War On Drugs propaganda guy - that just cracks me up, tho I guess how would you know any different...

I'm going to take Robbie's advices and get out of the house due to my view that cocaine is addictive so don't be surprised when I come back in a few hours and post that cocaine is not addictive.

When I was 19/20 I did a lot of cocaine. I was commercial fishing and I kept getting checks for 50k or so with say 2 months off with nothing to do but to do what people that age do. I never got addicted or developed a serious problem but a lot of my friends definitely did.

Also it just occurred to me that many boats in Kodiak and Dutch harbor supplied coke and took it out of crew shares as an expense

Actually, thinking about it.. A 125' rawler from Kodiak called the Amber Dawn was in one of the first discover channel shows on fishing - where a guy is in the wheelhouse filming rough weather out the windows of the bridge and just as he said something like "this is the safest olace to be in weather like this" and then a wave came over the now and took out all the windows. Those guys worked with little water proof change purses in their pockets full of coke. It was everywhere at the time and plenty of people found their lives completely destroyed as a result.

Every surface in every restaurant or bar bathroom in Kodiak or Dutch harbor at one time had coke all over it . You could literally pull out a credit card and scrape up a gram of coke. That's how bad it was.

Edit: just remembered that he sank that boat eventually. No one was surprised.

Well said, but many potheads claim that pot is not bad and even God's gift

NO ONE is 'addicted' to weed, people.

Except maybe me.

420 4ever!

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(PS: Know what's 'addictive'? GF-fucking-Y!)

If carbs are addictive so is the water... :winkwink: Human body can not healthy exist (I am talking all time, not few days) without carbs.

Well said :thumbsup
Except for one small part :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Love it :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Ok, so guess he is lying:

Typical pothead's "magical God's gift" mantra :1orglaugh

I've read about studies that seem to say there's a genetic or brain chemistry predisposition - people with a certain gene are more primed for getting well & truly hooked. I've seen that too, where everyone in a group uses similar amounts for a period of time, some walk away just fine and others dig themselves into a hole with it.

I agree, use crak, and become a crakhead :Hollering

Like every aspect of our behavior and who we are, it's most often a combination of factors. Plenty of people rely on drugs for self medication, plenty of people end up using for fun or to try for other reasons (fight pain etc) and end up with a dependency. It's in our nature to point to a single cause of everything but that's rarely the case.

He might be high on coke?

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7585396992/hA915A137/

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ADG

Or why not become a crash test dummy to help you decide your next car purchase.

Pretty sad when even anti drug war people parrot bullshit propaganda as fact. lol This "study" was done on 20 people. It didn't say anything about negative changes. It says the mri detected changes in the brain.. ummm ya just like eating sugar changes your brain.

it was sarcasm :winkwink:

pointing at the ever expanding amount of weed smokers that advocate weed as some sort of a miracle herb and make it a centerpoint of their existence anytime they can advocate it

okay my man... good point :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

At least it's not heroin, that stuff is by far the worst

yes weed is a very low quality drug... like beer or something. at least beer will make you realize you are a fuckup, while weed just drags on and on... heroin will definitely make you sit up and pay attention at some point....

I see these weed peeps every day: I can't do this, I can't do that, I need the weed, I'm sick, it helps.... blah blah blah on and on.... one excuse after another.... shame really to see young people wasting their lives in a weed coma...