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04-13-2014, 08:05 AM

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It's clear that current Ukrainian Government is holding up against the direct military actions to save lives of our citizens. I can only imagine what is the plan B, but I'm sure Putin is a bad ass manipulator who knows the Eastern Ukrainian population social needs to play his dirty game.

- First, it is not an elected government
- No lives of '' your'' citizens were threatened, till the ruthless repression of the coup forces
- Plan B is managed by John Brennan , CIA director

Let those people have referendums and choose their own destiny.

BTW, what is the difference in the terms :
- insurgents
- terrorists
- rebels
- freedom fighters

???

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04-13-2014, 08:45 AM

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You are correct on this one most countries do have persons like him and most end up dead, but still we cant call him or any nationalist nazi. He was a nationalist and saw a window of opportunity with the nazi regime thats all.

Oh...so if we see now same window with Al Quaeda that is fine, right? Precisely that is what people don't wont and that is : nazi supporters or those that are able to find excuse for what happened in WW2.

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04-13-2014, 09:05 AM

Russian National Socialist Party

You can find idiots in every country. There are nazi idiots in France, Denmark and Germany and pretty much everywhere.
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04-13-2014, 09:09 AM

yes, but when they come to power by force, then you have a problem.
Also, population is huge, more then 10% in a country that have 45 millions citizens

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04-13-2014, 09:49 AM

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Oh...so if we see now same window with Al Quaeda that is fine, right? Precisely that is what people don't wont and that is : nazi supporters or those that are able to find excuse for what happened in WW2.

Where do you read that I support Al Quaeda or any Nazi ideas?

Just trying to explain to the brainless people in here that Nationalism is not same as Nazism.

As I stated before don´t give a dam shit if he was nationalist or nazist just tried to explain that being a nationalist doesn't mean he was a nazist or vice versa.

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04-13-2014, 09:51 AM

I just LOL on poor ruskie propaganda attack at gfy

thx for making ruskie look full retards

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04-13-2014, 09:51 AM

Donetsk police supports Eastern Ukrainian people (so-called "russkie terrorists" according to the OP):

The same happened in Slavansk and Lugansk.

MrDeiz, care to comment? ;)

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04-13-2014, 09:53 AM

[QUOTE=MrDeiz;20048330ruskie propaganda attack at gfy[/QUOTE]

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04-13-2014, 09:59 AM

Um Mr Diez as far as the BBC NEWS are saying a Ukranian officer was killed and 5 other Ukranians have been injured. No mention of any Pro Russian troops being killed or injured and they are still in control of the police station.

The people are saying they want a referendum not a war, but that idiot of a president you have in Kiev goes an launches an attack against the Pro Russian troops and loses. Your country will end up in a civil war if not carefull and you know that Russia wont back down, Russia has you fucked both military and economically and your country owes Russia a crap load of money for gas.

If I were you i would get out of that hell hole you are in as fast as possible

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04-13-2014, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

It's clear that current Ukrainian Government is holding up against the direct military actions to save lives of our citizens.

Nope. They have started a civilian war by sending the regular army against of protestors on the Eastern Ukraine. That's only beginning. Do you remember my post about riots on Maydan (that one where I described this even before the first blood was shed in Kiev)? Everybody who knew the real situation on the Ukraine (one country - two different cultures) was not have to be a rocket scientist to make such a prediction

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04-13-2014, 10:02 AM

correct. have been away for the whole day, checking the news. posted those in very morning once there were very few details

there's no conditions for civil war. if no ruskies, everything would be peaceful here. on the other side - the whole country gets united again ruskie. so that's a good one

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04-13-2014, 10:07 AM

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Russian National Socialist Party

There is no such a party. There is a bunch of criminals that may call themselves so, but this doesn't make them them a party. They are illegals, and they were or will be caught and sent to jail. They have no chairs in Russian parliament etc (like they are in Ukraine). So I don't understand why did you post this pic here. Post something about Czech Nazi instead.

What an idiot...

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04-13-2014, 10:09 AM

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Nope. They have started a civilian war by sending the regular army against of protestors on the Eastern Ukraine. That's only beginning. Do you remember my post about riots on Maydan (that one where I described this even before the first blood was shed in Kiev)? Everybody who knew the real situation on the Ukraine (one country - two different cultures) was not have to be a rocket scientist to make such a prediction

It's time to. I'd send troops much sooner. And it's a fight against separatism. There are no 2 cultures at all, its a made up shit.

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04-13-2014, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

The people are saying they want a referendum not a war, but that idiot of a president you have in Kiev goes an launches an attack against the Pro Russian troops and loses. Your country will end up in a civil war if not carefull and you know that Russia wont back down, Russia has you fucked both military and economically and your country owes Russia a crap load of money for gas.

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04-13-2014, 10:11 AM

that's a pretty big fuck up by ruskie, but there were very many of others. they are mass-producing lie of that kind on a daily basis

Originally posted by crockett

Here is some pretty piss poor Russian propaganda.. The same guy, with the same bandages wearing the same shirt is interviewed 3 times and each time he's a different person..

1st he is a innocent bystander "beat up by neo-nazis"

2nd he is a evil German spy. " oh no look it's Nazis"

3rd he was a surgeon. "Saved 200 infants and attacked by nazis"

You just can't make this shit up. It's on the same level as North Korean propaganda. The only people they fool is themselves..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...eroic-surgeon/

So this is how the Russian govt sells their war, by calling Ukraine Nazis.. It's working too as we see the mouth breathers here in this topic shouting Nazi at everyone..

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04-13-2014, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

- First, it is not an elected government
- No lives of '' your'' citizens were threatened, till the ruthless repression of the coup forces
- Plan B is managed by John Brennan , CIA director

Let those people have referendums and choose their own destiny.

BTW, what is the difference in the terms :
- insurgents
- terrorists
- rebels
- freedom fighters

???

It is the same Rada, no President Rada takes action.
The whole Crimea thing is an invasion, I'd send troops much sooner.

And if you think you know better I believe you're Russian.

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04-13-2014, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by MrDeiz

correct. have been away for the whole day, checking the news. posted those in very morning once there were very few details

there's no conditions for civil war. if no ruskies, everything would be peaceful here. on the other side - the whole country gets united again ruskie. so that's a good one

Yes but you have Russians living amongst you and Crimea and Sloviansk are pirmarally Russians. Dont you think the people have a right to belong to Russia if the wish to ? Just like Kiev wants to join the EU.

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04-13-2014, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by MrDeiz

there's no conditions for civil war. if no ruskies, everything would be peaceful here.

How many "ruskies" can you see on this video, clown?

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04-13-2014, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

Um Mr Diez as far as the BBC NEWS are saying a Ukranian officer was killed and 5 other Ukranians have been injured. No mention of any Pro Russian troops being killed or injured and they are still in control of the police station.

The people are saying they want a referendum not a war, but that idiot of a president you have in Kiev goes an launches an attack against the Pro Russian troops and loses. Your country will end up in a civil war if not carefull and you know that Russia wont back down, Russia has you fucked both military and economically and your country owes Russia a crap load of money for gas.

If I were you i would get out of that hell hole you are in as fast as possible

They want "referendum" that is not legal, they are pre-paid by Putin, only a national referendum can decide it, not any local.
Ukraine has been robbed at least within a decade by Yanukovich , a Putin's puppet.

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04-13-2014, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

Yes, he is that stupid ....

The non-elected Kiev puppy government, that took power by arms ( a coup ) are calling those doing similar actions to achieve their independance " terrorists " by those same " terrorists ", all this killing backed by the USA and Kerry ...

Hypocrisy at its best

You lost it, mate.
Kiev based Government stands for democratic values, united Ukraine, joining the EU while
the Eastern blockers are calling for separatism to join Russia who invaded and tried annexing a part of the Ukrainian land.

This is what happened.

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04-13-2014, 10:21 AM

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The whole Crimea thing is an invasion, I'd send troops much sooner.

Crimea is a very different thing. There are Russian military bases that were supported by majority of Crimean citizens, so if you'd send the troops there, they all would be dead by now (Ukrainian "army" is a joke). So you have to say a big "thank you!" to Turchinov for not commuting a suicide by doing this

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04-13-2014, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

They want "referendum" that is not legal, they are pre-paid by Putin, only a national referendum can decide it, not any local.

And why is it not legal ? Because the west says it aint ? Its up to local regions to decide who they want to rule them and if it means breaking up Ukrain so be it . It would stop a lot of bloodshed because this will end up like the Yugoslavian war if it continues with ethnic fighting between the two sides.

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04-13-2014, 10:29 AM

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Crimea is a very different thing. There are Russian military bases that were supported by majority of Crimean citizens, so if you'd send the troops there, they all would be dead by now (Ukrainian "army" is a joke). So you have to say a big "thank you!" to Turchinov for not commuting a suicide by doing this

Putin should have NOT invaded at all, he broke the international agreement. I don't have to thank Putin at all but tell my kids there is an enemy state invading our country, teach them to hate Russia.

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04-13-2014, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

And why is it not legal ? Because the west says it aint ? Its up to local regions to decide who they want to rule them and if it means breaking up Ukrain so be it . It would stop a lot of bloodshed because this will end up like the Yugoslavian war if it continues with ethnic fighting between the two sides.

It's illegal according to Constitution.
Without Russian influence there would be no referendums, victims. We wanted to get rid of Yanukovich who played Putin's hand. That simple. And we did it, but
Russia decided to call for separatism in Ukraine.

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04-13-2014, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

You lost it, mate.
Kiev based Government stands for democratic values, united Ukraine, joining the EU while
the Eastern blockers are calling for separatism to join Russia who invaded and tried annexing a part of the Ukrainian land.

This is what happened.

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I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

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04-13-2014, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

Kiev based Government stands for democratic values

Democratic values my ass

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04-13-2014, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

but tell my kids there is an enemy state invading our country, teach them to hate Russia.

You are real patriot of the Ukraine. Your kids gotta feel cool in Poland

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04-13-2014, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

It's illegal according to Constitution.

Did you say "Constitution"? LOL ))) Should I assume that bloody Maydan revolution was legal according to the Ukrainian Constitution?

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04-13-2014, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by directfiesta

PS: pay your bills !

Should I say eat a bag of dicks asshole?
A tandem of Yanukovich and Putin made it up robbing Ukraine, and you tell me about the bills, moron. I pay mine.

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04-13-2014, 10:47 AM

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Did you say "Constitution"? LOL ))) Should I assume that bloody Maydan revolution was legal according to the Ukrainian Constitution?

It was legal because people were fed up with Yanukovich mafia robbing our country. There were no call for separatism at all. And, it does not make you or any Russian involved, mind your own business in your country.

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04-13-2014, 10:48 AM

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You are real patriot of the Ukraine. Your kids gotta feel cool in Poland

If you were a patriot of your country you'd shut the fuck up. Because your children are now our enemies too.

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04-13-2014, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by CyberSEO

You are real patriot of the Ukraine. Your kids gotta feel cool in Poland

That is also non of your business.

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04-13-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

It's illegal according to Constitution.
Without Russian influence there would be no referendums, victims. We wanted to get rid of Yanukovich who played Putin's hand. That simple. And we did it, but
Russia decided to call for separatism in Ukraine.

I think you mean its illegal when it suits the country. Its all total bullshit, and if the mainly Russian people in parts of Ukrain want to belong to Russia then thats up to them.

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04-13-2014, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

Because your children are now our enemies too.

Wow, I'm sooooooooooo afraid

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04-13-2014, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

You lost it, mate.
Kiev based Government stands for democratic values, united Ukraine, joining the EU while
the Eastern blockers are calling for separatism to join Russia who invaded and tried annexing a part of the Ukrainian land.

This is what happened.

Is this some joke? They came on power by force, after days of chaos , destruction and aggression and you are talking about democracy?

Nothing from this would happen in case that normal procedure was followed. Elections. Very simple. What people are doing in eastern Ukraine is same as it was done in Kiev.

Do you really think Russians will just leave those military factories to idiots from Maydan?

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04-13-2014, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

I think you mean its illegal when it suits the country. Its all total bullshit, and if the mainly Russian people in parts of Ukrain want to belong to Russia then thats up to them.

There is no "his country". He has said "fuck you" to the Ukraine and moved to Poland. Just an average loser

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04-13-2014, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by CyberSEO

There is no "his country". He has said "fuck you" to the Ukraine and moved to Poland. Just an average loser

I feel sorry for both the Ukrainians and the Russians for what has happened, and tbh I wouldent stay in Ukrain either the way things are going. Both the Russian and Ukrainians and the west have caused all this crap with the country and its always the innocent people who get caught up with it thanks to our politicians

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04-13-2014, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

I think you mean its illegal when it suits the country. Its all total bullshit, and if the mainly Russian people in parts of Ukrain want to belong to Russia then thats up to them.

If you want to come to live in Canada you sell your shit and go there.
But they act as if Canada chose to intrude USA and offer them free healthcare BUT never delivered.

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04-13-2014, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by CyberSEO

There is no "his country". He has said "fuck you" to the Ukraine and moved to Poland. Just an average loser

Even if I did, how does it make me a loser?
Check your occupant books.

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04-13-2014, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

If you want to come to live in Canada you sell your shit and go there.
But they act as if Canada chose to intrude USA and offer them free healthcare BUT never delivered.

Not sure what that means or what you are trying to say ???

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04-13-2014, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

I feel sorry for both the Ukrainians and the Russians for what has happened, and tbh I wouldent stay in Ukrain either the way things are going. Both the Russian and Ukrainians and the west have caused all this crap with the country and its always the innocent people who get caught up with it thanks to our politicians

Noting to feel sorry about. May be it's a moment of truth. Many people choose to spend their lives together keeping bad peace, but others choose to seek new horizons.

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04-13-2014, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

Not sure what that means or what you are trying to say ???

You've easily adapted pro-Russian TV genome but you're def stupid to understand the comparison. I'm done here.

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04-13-2014, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Sid70

You've easily adapted pro-Russian TV genome but you're def stupid to understand the comparison. I'm done here.

I am not pro Russian nor am I pro Ukrainian but I can see that if you do not let the Russian parts of Ukrain go to Russia, Ukrain will end up with a civil war on thier hands and a lot of people being killed. Russia has a long history with Ukrain dating back to around the 1700's so its a no brainer that the Russian people living in Ukrain want Russia to rule them.

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04-13-2014, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by halfpint

Not sure what that means or what you are trying to say ???

he doesn`t know himself ...

ALL his posts shows that he is mentally challenged ...

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04-13-2014, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by CyberSEO

Nope. They have started a civilian war by sending the regular army against of protestors on the Eastern Ukraine. That's only beginning. Do you remember my post about riots on Maydan (that one where I described this even before the first blood was shed in Kiev)? Everybody who knew the real situation on the Ukraine (one country - two different cultures) was not have to be a rocket scientist to make such a prediction

The simple fact is Russia had zero right to move on Ukraine's soil. It doesn't matter if there are protests or not. Russia broke international law and their short term gain is going to cost them a he'll of a lot more in the long run.

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04-13-2014, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by crockett

The simple fact is Russia had zero right to move on Ukraine's soil. It doesn't matter if there are protests or not. Russia broke international law and their short term gain is going to cost them a he'll of a lot more in the long run.

What about Kosovo? Were there any right to do it ?

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04-13-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by crockett

The simple fact is Russia had zero right to move on Ukraine's soil. It doesn't matter if there are protests or not. Russia broke international law and their short term gain is going to cost them a he'll of a lot more in the long run.

and from wiki...
In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.
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04-13-2014, 12:32 PM

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and from wiki...
In return for giving up its nuclear weapons, Ukraine, the United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, a pledge that was broken by Russia's 2014 invasion of Crimea.

I can't be 100% sure, but in Budapest agreement, no one mentioned violent takeover of power, and discrimination of Russian language(rights) and calls for killing Russians, right?

correct me if I am wrong.

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04-13-2014, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by crockett

The simple fact is Russia had zero right to move on Ukraine's soil.

We both know what Russian army have not yet crossed the Ukrainian boarder. We also know what Russian army is ready to do that if Ukrainian military forces will be used against civilians. So it's all up to the new Ukrainian government.

Originally posted by crockett

Russia broke international law

Do you mean the Crimea case. Formally Russia did not broke anything because it just used the Kosovo precedent (do you know what precedent law is?)

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04-13-2014, 10:30 PM

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