If THAT is the metric...then the affiliate model is dead!

But I'll do some "testing" when I attend the New Orleans show and report back! :1orglaugh

Exactly what we need: a man in the field to report his findings. We need up-to-date pricing on Bolivian marching powder. :D

I've been "researching" for the last few years...apparently actual "cocaine" does not exist anymore.

But there is plenty of speed crushed up into a white powder that LOOKS like cocaine! :1orglaugh

Unfortunately, instead of having a nice, alert feeling with a slight head buzz (like you do when you have the real stuff)...you end up jittery, your cock shrinks to the size of a thimble, and your nose burns like hell! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

We need some "Bolivian Bros" to get in the industry so we will stop being fooled into this crushed up speed shit that's being passed off as the real thing! :1orglaugh :pimp

Why would they bother with the spam (bulk and sent by hand) if they didn't need affiliates? It is one metric I use but I also don't see all that many programs that have either closed their affiliate programs or have none at all.

nonsense, clueless. The pressure you're feeling and the webmasters who've been squeezed out of the business is because the business is maturing and the dumb get squeezed out.
Webmasters keep confusing themselves thinking they're business owners. You're not. Your people who are wasting valuable working years at a dead end job.
Get out. Thinking that someone is shaving and that shaving is the reason you're failing is a lie. You're failing because you're lazy, stupid, or a combination of both.

Think you're being shaved? run your own program and get back to us with your results

yeah, we're aggressive.:1orglaugh

how about we're just sick of hearing children for the 1000th time claim they're being cheated because they WANT X but only earn Y and blame it on someone else?

do you puff your chest out when you type this nonsense out from your hut?
fucking 3rd world loser.:1orglaugh

yup, its the Bros that are causing you to fail.:1orglaugh

Bulk email affiliate spam suggests garbage. The affiliate promo materials I'm receiving from programs I promote have a decent quality to them. Not template bland but well thought out. There is lot of emphasis on photo FHG's that would suggest TGP sites or something similar are thriving. I operate one that generates 17 - 20K uniques a day. There are also plenty of video FHG's and hybrids. The one thing I've noticed is some programs have pulled their embedded videos. I think there has been a serious shaking out that is still going on, but the small dedicated webmaster still has plenty of opportunity to compete against the big boys.

The trick to using GFY posts as a metric is to do the exact opposite of what 99% of the posters suggest. Most haven't got a clue, they are marginally in the business, they have a free site somewhere so they are in the club. I've been reading for years that the TGP site is dead, so I built one successfully. Ask some of the other TGP owners here, including some that sold out and started again. You want a tube site, build one. Fuck what anyone else says. I'm surprised so many take as gospel whatever any anonymous poster that has jacked his/her post count up into the thousands says. I guess a high post count infers porn cred. (not to insult high post count webmasters that actually contribute something)

:1orglaugh

christ, the inability to think is deep with this one.

which is it, there aren't many affiliates or shaving a lot of affiliates is profitable.


If you clowns would work as hard on your pretend business as you do looking for excuses for why your pretend business is failing, your pretend business might actually become a real one.:thumbsup

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I approve

Thing is that while some cry the way you are saying above, many of us here in this thread who you are fighting with, are not saying that shaving is the whole reason (or even biggest) for the decline in our incomes.

I believe shaving exists and believe it has happened (and probably still is happening) to me. But it is not the biggest reason my income has declined.

Any mention of shaving and you guys go ballistic.

But, if you are talking about the guy who sends 30 hits and then complains about shaving then I am on your side. He's lazy and not really deserving of anything.

But some of us here have been around awhile and are better able to get a feel for what's going on.

Perfect example of my earlier point. You are not an ordinary affiliate ;)

The industry has evolved into three groups:

Business owners and service providers (many who used to be affiliates) making a good living.

A tiny handful of hobbyists or massive traffic webmasters and profitable free site owners (the only real affiliates left) making a good living.

Whiners, conspiracy theorists and trolls (many who used to be affiliates) making nothing but noise.

Which group someone is in is mostly a matter of their own choices, based almost entirely on where each chooses to focus time and energy. To a very large degree this is an effort based business not an aptitude based business. I don't think most people are lazy. I do think they are prone to distractions. Shaving, tubes, .xxx, and many other topics are distractions more than anything else.

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

again, no one is going ballistic.
However, if you feel you're being shaved, change sponsors. If you think all sponsors shave, do yourself a favor and switch jobs as you're not bright enough for long term success here.
I'll buy all the regular joins I can from good affiliates. The value is there. you don't run off good affiliates by shaving them.
Did guys shave in the old days? I'm sure they did. Do they do it now? I just don't see how its profitable. you keep good affiliates, you NEVER give them a reason to doubt you.

This is a reply to mopek, not relentless

For many I would agree.

For some of us it's not.

I tend to agree, and to add that number of GFY posts it is normally the inverse of traffic they can generate.

As a (cam) program I can tell that of those affiliates who signed up from GFY (and some I got from there it was rather good, I mean more than $1k/week), nearly no one got high post counts, or posts at all, or account at all: busy guys googleing for "alternative to [chaturbate/whatever]" or so, lands on GFY without having or wishing to open a GFY account, finds my signature in post replies, signup and sends tonds of joins.

On the contrary, nearly no one who posts a lot (esp. complaints about my program) ever signed up or tested my program (and did not answered to question "and what's your affiliate account, if ever asked), so I assume they really sent traffic to no one they talk bad about. Or if signed up, sent 10 hits a year max anyway.

Finally, about all those saying that there are less and less affiliates every year - really, for new programs that starts with zero affiliates, there can be a growth. I have more active affiliates on tubecamgirl now than a year ago, and a year ago I had more than 2 years ago (2012 is when I opened the program). However I lost lots of affiliates in chatgf which was around from 2010 and mostly targeted pay site member areas. Think at crakrevenue I bet everyone agrees they had growth of affiliates each of past year, right? It all matters to open new affiliate programs, more up-to-date, time to time. And not to cry on old affiliate programs dieing, or wrong new ones no one cares at.

fucking oldschool brother, scammer, thief banging cards on flash games and similar crap ... you sir, can live whetever you are, but you will be the biggest piece of shit who still have balls to post on this board ... fucker, fuck off! :1orglaugh

Many to choose from, not that many to choose from that convert.

Nope. I don't.

I agree.

I agree again. That makes perfect sense. But as you point out some affiliates are dumbasses. I would agree there. But I would also argue that some program owners are too.

In general I have good relationships with my program managers/owners and have for years.

ouch!
that one will leave a mark. what's it like to be part of the world's absolute bottom and get to interact with someone who earns more than your whole fucking mudhut village?:1orglaugh

it is called psychical disease. if you think all you do is good, people around knows and are saying to you that it is not good, but you still think you are on top of the game ... go find a help :winkwink: :2 cents:

oh shit, I didn't know you were the village witch doctor too!:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh at least some fun ... :)

Surprised to read this from you Markul. Especially since you are looking to work with affiliates for easyxsites.

Board juice. The stuff that keeps this forum wound up like a cheap watch. I try and stay away from posting, then, sometimes, I get sucked right back in. Like now, I should be doing my taxes, but I'm doing anything but.

I liked his response to the whining cunt signupdamnit.

Unless this guy had 3 sign ups from this 30 hits with other sponsors. He complains about shaving, Another guy creates thread "joins joins" and gives few weeks before he does test joins. And he finds it right away! For some reason he gets cursed by owner. Offense is best defense?

I thought you saw all affiliates as "lazy, stupid etc..."

Thanks for clearing it up.

As for signupdamnit he does bring good arguments forth and he doesn't call people asswipes or anything like that.

If your traffic includes a lot of bookmarkers, you need to constantly find new things to show them. As time goes one, the portion of your regulars who are going to buy certain memberships will have bought them already, so you will see rebills (on revshare) but not a lot of new joins.

That's my experience anyway.

If traffic is mostly from search or CJ etc., then I don't think the plateau should apply.

Shavers gonna shave and ain't a dick smack anyone gonna due about it... one fiddy!

I want links to all the programs that credit joins without having to send sign ups. Can someone provide a list please?

no, you won't and it is actually not what it happens.
Plz also see this concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel

Relentless, can you check your PMs please

Funny thread

Before that, many were already experimenting with "invite only" just to avoid the 90% of affiliates that send 10% of the joins and somehow account for 99.5% of all support issues with all their self professed genius and know-how and their ceaseless idiotic demands for custom tools, promo content etc etc etc.... only to later accuse the program of ripping off affiliates or shaving because they felt they should have had 3 joins that month instead of 2 or because they felt they should be able to be as shady as they want with their methods and ignore the warnings and TOS.

:2 cents:

This thread is literally a guide for "how to waste time and focus on nothing productive as a business person and make sure the return on your time is a minimal as you can make it by bitching about things you can't change, instead of just moving on as any intelligent person should"

That seems to be the way of the adult forums now-a-days. A lot of whining about shit you can't control instead of working.

:Oh crap

It's sort of amusing. If these guys would invest as much time into working and changing their attitudes to "i'm going to start making some money and stop worry about that which i cannot change" vs. chanting day and night "i'm not making money, therefore,... shaving and tubes".... the horizon starts to suddenly open up, the ideas start flowing and the possibilities then seem limitless.

Not only will they take the time to do that it has been proven that many did exactly that over and over on this very board (and I don't read often).

The hilariously ironic part is a large number of them did exactly that through the CCBill system.

Liar.......