A "living wage".

Jesus-fucking-christ.

You work a shit unskilled labor job...you get paid accordingly.

You shoot higher and show some ambition and drive and better yourself. If not, then you get paid what you fucking deserve. No wonder this country is gone to hell.

pretty much the point that I was trying to make with my original post. I just can't see paying $15-$20/hour for these unskilled jobs.

As somebody else posted it doesn't really matter - the cost of supplementing these low paid people either goes to Walmart or the taxpayers. Libertarians can continue to live in a dream world but all Western democracies have evolved to a welfare/socialism model where the poor, sick and unemployed get food, shelter and healthcare and it won't change.

Some countries are moving to a guaranteed minimum income payout for all. I think it's a good idea provided every medically able person taking the payout is required to do something to earn it, 35 hours a week. If that's picking up trash to make your city/neighborhood pretty, cooking and delivering food to the sick and elderly, data entry work, handyman work, etc etc. Enforced volunteerism for those taking public aid. There would be government websites where small businesses and individuals could find people who are getting paid by the government to hire for cheap.

If you're going to live off the avails of socialism then you're going to work like a socialist. In the Soviet Union, you had a job, no such thing as the unemployed, you didn't have the option to live in a government paid for apartment and watch Russian game shows all day long.

Why make them volunteer jobs? If the work is available and needs done, why not make them REAL jobs and pay WAGES? Makes no fucking sense.

Furthermore...

In Pa. you must be deemed permanently disabled or they require 20hrs/wk either work or job search class at local careerlink to qualify for food stamp benefits. It is very rural in my county so not many jobs, and careerlink classes you sit and stare at the same 10 jobs that very few participants qualify for, or the same jobs that are always on the list. Otherwise you are aloud 3 months out of 3 years. Same for medicaid. Cash benefits you must be permanently disabled, and you get like 3 months if you are pregnant and unable to work.

I do understand that in other states, especially more populated areas, they offer a bit more, but definitely not like it was 15 years ago. Most people complain about welfare and food stamps in this decade because they grew up hearing their families bitching about it. The system has changed so much many arguments made in these threads are not very accurate and often we are misinformed. :2 cents:

Is everything in the USA a flat out scam?

I'm not so sure that is accurate for food stamps. According to their website all you need to qualify is to meet certain financial eligibility. It says nothing on the site about having to work or having to be disabled.

It does say that students won't qualify for food stamps unless they are working 20 hours per week or are involved in a job training program.

That would be because you ARE eligible. What they don't tell you is for how long. Three months of benefits in three years was last I knew. You find out after you apply and if you have received your allowance you are denied. I know because it is a small community. Most jobs are less than 20hrs, as long as you average they will keep you on. This leaves little openings for full time, but LOTS of families here live on that 20hrs/wk. I have known many of them and always hear these arguments. Knowing first hand makes you look at the situation much differently. Welfare benefits are only a small percentage compared to corporate bailouts tax deductions and exemptions that hurt our wallets even more. Nobody bitches about THAT though.

Thats the whole thing with this raise.

We just got a big GOV tax raise here from 11 to 16%. Since everyone knew that the prices were going to go up because of the tax, about 90% of the stores raised the over all prices so that they could profit more.

So do you really think that Wal Mart is going to only raise that Mac and cheese by 1 penny?

No they wont. they will raise it by at least 40 cents.

Why?-

Simple. Wal Mart is not the only company that will be forced to give a pay raise. And that means that costs across the board are going up. Not just on the price of the mac and cheese in walmart but the production of that box as well.

Something they kind of left out in that video.

prices can only go up to what the market will bear.

The heirs to Walmart are worth about $90 billion?between 6 individuals. They?re also worth more than the combined net worth of 42% of the American population, or roughly 132 million people.

Just something worth noting ???..


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google "mincome manitoba" ....

Liberals simply don't understand how money works. They fail to realize that if low skilled jobs get a wage increase to $15/hr, then medium skilled jobs will increase by the same percentage. The cost of goods will rise accordingly as well, Why? because the money isn't worth as much as it was before. Why isn't it worth as much as it was before? Because people have more of it.

What Liberals fail to realize is that money is simply a measurement of productivity. What makes it valuable is that not everyone has it. If everyone has it, it's no longer worth as much.