US Navy useing sea water to power ships and aircraft

[Vendzilla]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-navy-game-c...150544958.html

US experts have found out how to extract carbon dioxide and hydrogen gas from seawater.

Then, using a catalytic converter, they transformed them into a fuel by a gas-to-liquids process. They hope the fuel will not only be able to power ships, but also planes.

View galleryThis April 2, 2014 US Navy handout image shows a beaker …
This April 2, 2014 US Navy handout image shows a beaker of fuel(right) made from seawater by scienti ?
That means instead of relying on tankers, ships will be able to produce fuel at sea.



I guess this beats laptop batteries

[2030]

neatn \..

[crockett]

Fuel from water is nothing new, it's called hydrogen. This has been done for a very long time, the only real game changer is they claim to have figured out how to do both steps in the process at once, which finally makes it economical. It still takes a lot of energy to do this process, so they will still need a way to do that.

They won't be able to use this for cars anytime soon, in fact the only reason it's likely now looking more economical for the military is due to the cost of oil today and what it's cost will likely be 20 or 30 years from now.

[bean-aid]

The guy who invented that concept (i believe same concept) was offered millions of dollars and he turned it down. He wanted in the merger/buy out that the use of technology would be for the good of mankind. He was committed to a psychiatric hospital for awhile as a result.

I will post the video when i find it. Fairly certain it is same concept. 80% water... seawater to regular water conversion.

[brassmonkey]

so they bought the technology that was suppose to be put in cars years ago

[seeandsee]

when oil is dead, they will find all kind of expensive catalizators and energy powered tools

[Barry-xlovecam]

The predicted cost of jet fuel using the technology is in the range of three to six dollars per gallon, say experts at the US Naval Research Laboratory

Well, the current commodity price for jet fuel is three dollars per gallon so for civilian use it is too costly. Probably the same could be said for ship diesel fuel -- the main differential would be in transport cost (military tankers) as compared to in situ fuel production.

For wartime use, ensuring supply and security, it makes sense.

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

so they bought the technology that was suppose to be put in cars years ago

There is so much debate on this. The most popular to claim the ability to extract hydrogen *efficiently* was a guy named Stanley Meyer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car

Most scientists debunk it as non-sense. What I think is interesting is he was able to get patents on it so he convinced the patent office.

Then a huge interest is in partial petroleum and water mixture where it does need gas/oil/etc. but then hydrogen is somehow extracted and used efficiently from the water.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...Exchanger/info

If you ever read any of these ideas, they are always debunked. The general gist is that it requires too much energy for too little result making the process worthless. But the navy apparently now believes it is viable. But they are making a liquid jet fuel, for later use, and what everyone, to date, is trying to create that phenomena within the engine itself.

I suppose the big question would be is.. how the Navy is extracting the hydrogen? Nuclear?? Or have they stumbled on something else...

[jódete]

Originally Posted by beaner

US Navy useing sea water to power ships and aircraft

using doesn't have the letter e.

[MaDalton]

here you go - launches in 2015

http://www.toyota.com/fuelcell/

already available:

http://www.hyundai.co.uk/about-us/en...ogen-fuel-cell

also in 2015:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/

[bean-aid]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

here you go - launches in 2015

http://www.toyota.com/fuelcell/

already available:

http://www.hyundai.co.uk/about-us/en...ogen-fuel-cell

also in 2015:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/

Pretty cool... $30 (one hydrogen tank worth) to go 300 miles and no toxins emitted. Unfortunately, that doesn't address the issue of getting the H... out of H2O efficiently.

[Due]

Originally Posted by crockett

Fuel from water is nothing new, it's called hydrogen. This has been done for a very long time, the only real game changer is they claim to have figured out how to do both steps in the process at once, which finally makes it economical. It still takes a lot of energy to do this process, so they will still need a way to do that.

They won't be able to use this for cars anytime soon, in fact the only reason it's likely now looking more economical for the military is due to the cost of oil today and what it's cost will likely be 20 or 30 years from now.

I'm guessing they didn't do this because of the cost of oil
The military trying to cut costs ?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by beaner

Pretty cool... $30 (one hydrogen tank worth) to go 300 miles and no toxins emitted. Unfortunately, that doesn't address the issue of getting the H... out of H2O efficiently.

thats where renewable energies come into play

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://news.yahoo.com/us-navy-game-c...150544958.html

I guess this beats laptop batteries

[pornguy]

For some reason I recall a guy who ignited Salt water in his garage and it was burning a blue white flame.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

here you go - launches in 2015

http://www.toyota.com/fuelcell/

already available:

http://www.hyundai.co.uk/about-us/en...ogen-fuel-cell

also in 2015:

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucsonfuelcell/

I think Hydrogen cell cars are the future, who wants to wait 30 minutes to recharge a battery car after a 100 miles trip when you can drive a hydrogen cell car that pollutes less and go 400 miles, spend 5 minutes refueling and then drive another 400 miles, and nothing but water comes out of the tail pipes?

What they are doing with this tech is a little different, it's more than just Hydrogen

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by beaner

Pretty cool... $30 (one hydrogen tank worth) to go 300 miles and no toxins emitted. Unfortunately, that doesn't address the issue of getting the H... out of H2O efficiently.

My submarine was built in the 60's, it was separating Oxygen from Hydrogen when it was built. We used the Oxygen to breed into the boat to keep the O2 levels right.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by pornguy

For some reason I recall a guy who ignited Salt water in his garage and it was burning a blue white flame.

Adding salt to anything burning, not regular salt if I remember right changes the color of flames to blue. Must have had something else in the water.

[FreeHugeMovies]

Using...

[crockett]

It must be stoke our cock week as the Navy also has been showing off it's new rail gun technology. The govt must be trying to tell Russia to sit back down and take your place or something.. Because we all know Russia is penis envious about no longer having a Navy worth a shit.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by crockett

It must be stoke our cock week as the Navy also has been showing off it's new rail gun technology. The govt must be trying to tell Russia to sit back down and take your place or something..

yea i was wondering about that too

[HomerSimpson]

big ships can run on nuclear... that's cheap and clean and you always have enough cold water to coll it down...
running it on hydrogen would be quite hard because of the power needed...

in next 5-10 years we'll see more and more FCV cars...
these would have quicker refill times and longer ranges than electric ones...

[Paully]

Not a new concept. Wouldn't make sense for land vehicles but if your on the water, sure. No conspiracy unless you think driving around with a ton of water in tow makes sense.