You can count on that.:disgust

Benign cyst in my testicle. But thanks for playing

That of course is a tragic story and there are thousands like them. Thousands of tragic stories though do not trump what will happen to the millions of people that will be impacted negatively by the new laws.

Instead of punishing millions to help out thousands, we need to find another way to help out those thousands and leave the millions alone.

Due, I'm not sure that the govt. is planning on rounding up homeless bums and giving them "help" because of ObamaCare.

Matter of fact...there won't be ANY bums (the crazy types with long beards and signs by the road) signing up for Obamacare.

The problem this is facing right now is the fact that there are still going to be 40 million people uninsured.
There were two main objectives of "ObamaCare":
1. To get everyone insured
2. To bring prices DOWN by $2,500 per family

It's not doing either thing.

And has been pointed out...the govt. REFUSES to give the numbers of how many people that signed up did not already have insurance. And they won't give the numbers of how many people are paying for it (as opposed to free medicare obamacare). And they won't give the numbers on how many people are getting "subsidized" (meaning that their neighbors are paying for it).

My guess is that the whole thing is designed to fail to move us towards a "single pay" system.

Don't know if that's a good thing or not. I've been told differing things by my friends in Canada.

@ Barry
A guy had a lot of cool, expensive toys and no health insurance. Then needed health insurance after his cool toys hurt him. That's not capitalism - that's the freedom to choose your priorities and btw.... Obamacare costs money just like any other insurance policy so your point is 100% moot... as it wasn't a priority for him regardless.

Obamacacare is Romenycare on the federal level. Oddly enough Republicans never complained about Romneycare.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/aa/aa67...6ffc1e771a.jpg

That's exactly what I was thinking. If I didn't pay the hundreds of dollars a month on my family's health insurance (which went up 50% now) I could have some cool toys as well.

In fact, I might as well stop putting money away for retirement and my kids college fund while I'm at it. I could go lease a couple of new Benz's for me and the wife.

Romney's plan was good on a state level and well planned and executed well. Obama's plan was passed with no one even reading the bill and executed with mind boggling incompetence and Romney himself said from the start that what they were doing was going to end Iin tears for all. And incidentally, Obama consulted those doing it well, exactly zero times.

"We need to pass this bill so we can see what's in it"
Nancy Pelosi

7 million people Forced by Law to signup by a deadline that has been extended before this last one.

30-40 Million Not insured, but only 7 Million signed up, even though it is a LAW to sign up?

5+ Million lost insurance ... tha 7 million doesn't sound so good now does it.

Hundreds of Millions spent on website, radio and TV and other advertising convincing people it is a good idea to get insurance. Wait, we need advertising to convince people to signup when it is a LAW?

Millions of peoples insurance premiums, deductibles and co pays have went up.

I am going to bet half of those 7 million are on the Free or Subsidized Insurance.
Several of those above and others that Signed up will not pay, or will stop paying.
Many of the other half already had insurance (self employed or kicked off current plan)

We don't need Health COVERAGE, the people need health CARE.

Congrats to the winners. My health insurance seems to go up every 6 months. Last spike was like 12%.

This. Exactly. I'm from Boston and we feel that Romney came in, forced everyone to get insurance then left to pursue a presidential career. Democrats republicans high level politicians are the same. It's our fault for voting these people in.

It means if you weren't able to buy your coverage for whatever reason by March 31 then you pay the penalty AND YOU CANNOT BUY INSURANCE UNTIL Nov 2014. :thumbsup


And that's not just on the Exchanges, the Insurance companies can't sell you a policy between now and then.

This piece of shit law needs to die :2 cents:

That is treated with Tylenol?

Not just republicans, check the polls

Wow. Seriously?

Is there any possible positive perspective on not being permitted to buy insurance for half a year?

Most democrats might criticize parts of Obamacare that they don't like or suggest changes, but republicans use ridiculous language. For example, Michelle Bachmann (my favourite kook) says it "Literally Kills Children, Kills Women, Kills Senior Citizens", etc.



Other Republicans through the "Death Panel" scare tactic around for a long time which of course turned out to be complete bull.



My question is, how can a republican expect to be taken seriously when they just one stupid, fucked up and dangerous thing after another?

Answer, how can the democrats be taken seriously for passing it in the first place without reading it?

Human beings need help. Human beings need healthcare.

What is wrong with you that the most interesting thing to you about this basic human need not being 100% fulfilled in the USA is that some people say silly things that only an idiot would believe?

You seem to seriously think that making fun of the retarded is way more important and interesting than solving serious social problems.

These threads are great. It's always interesting the people against the law have a lousy experience yet somehow the people for it have a good experience.

I'm all for single payer but I'll take this for now

Same here. I had to take a job previously to get health care coverage. Now healthcare coverage is no longer tied to your employment, so you would think most webmasters would be thrilled. Then again as usual it's normally the same people whom bitch and moan about it.

Anyway I stopped off at a Dairy Queen a bit ago and Fox News was on. It appears this week's episode is "What about Bengazi" reruns.. Obamacare isn't covered this week..that way they can ignore any positive Obamacare reporting... LoL

When asked about this Obama said that the insurance companies use the time between April and November (which is when then next open enrollment starts) to crunch numbers and decide if premium rates go up and down.

Open enrollment with health insurance has actually been around for a long time. There are always exceptions to the rule. For example, say you switched jobs and lost your insurance from the old job and the new job doesn't have insurance. You have 60 days from when you lose your insurance to enroll in an Obamacare approved plan. Also, if you are new to a job they will often be able to add you to their insurance without you having to wait. Another would be if a woman had a baby she can add the baby to her plan outside of the open enrollment period.

I have had a few jobs in the past where once a year they would send out notices that the insurance open enrollment was coming up so if you wanted to change your coverage that was the only time you could.

I think you'll find the people paying 100% of their insurance bill are disgruntled while those getting free or subsidized health care are happy.

you know you're a moron right? not one of the 7.1 mil members is in the US congress because it's such shitty ins the US congress got themselves exempted :2 cents:

Sure. I would imagine putting Romneycare into place at the state level would be simple. Easy to do, no huge debates at the national level, and no one spending years and all of their efforts to defeat a bill that is already a law.

Simple.

No one read the bill? Shame on them for not doing their jobs.

They debated it for a year; They dicked around on the language exact language for months. They wrote the fucking bill. They have staffs to read and understand the bill, and if not they have lobbiests to push them around.

How could they have done that. The Republican party - and the people who put it together - wanted to kill this law at all costs. They still do to this very day.

That's a cute little sound bite.

Are you honestly telling me that Congress voted on the bill without knowing what was in it? If that is the case... They should all be arrested.

yes and you can see very clearly who is earning a living at GFY, and who is on welfare :2 cents:

Good point.

Hey **********, why aren't your Democrat homies using the insurance they are forcing others to use? Simple question. Please explain it to us.


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This is what people don't seem to understand - Every year people loose and or change their healthcare plans. Every fucking year.

Saying "people had their healthcare canceled" is incorrect and a huge over statement. They didn't loose their healthcare, but instead were forced to pick a different plan. This is because their plans failed to meet the basic federal requirements. They are trying to spin this as a bad thing when in fact it's a good thing - a very good thing. If your plan failed to meet the basic requirements of the federal law, you were paying for a plan that wasn't gong to help you much when you needed it most.

LOL. Your healthcare costs have gone up every year for the past twenty years.

People make less money every year because the rising care of healthcare on a yearly basis is more than their raises.

I'm pretty sure the subsidized insurance covers up to $50k a year income for a single person. I suspect 90% of GFY falls into that category. In fact I bet most Americans fall into that category considering the average median income in the US in 2013 was only $51k. Meaning Obamacare is helping average American tax payers..

For some reason helping average Americans is a horrible thing to some bitter people. Meanwhile they never have a word to say about the billions of welfare given away to the corporations whom are given subsidized profits in a so called free market system..

Its completely insane that you don't even know that was the case. You have so much to say about shit and never know a single fact. Yes, it was a 12,000+ page bill that no one read, that as usual was drafted by people that are not a part of the process - typically legal aids and interns.

You are being extremely dishonest by stating that it was debated for a year. It was barely a month old before it became law.

Same with some of the bail outs. Remember Obama getting all pissy claiming that we just didn't have time to wait to actually read and debate the substance of the bill? An 1100 page bill was finished in the evening and voted on the next morning with NO ONE having the chance to read it.... much less discuss and debate it.

By the way... who is reading, discussing and debating Obama's 40 or so unilateral changes to the law? Santas elves?

This is the law and all the regulations (continually adding 100s at a time) printed out:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFGcd8oCUAEEc7k.jpg

Yes. Every member of Congress read that. :1orglaugh

My healthcare costs have gone up significantly higher (percentage wise) late last year to right now when all these deadlines of Obama care were in place. When I care enough to check... I will post back.

They are so pure and altruistic, that they are exempting themselves and their staff's from taking advantage of the many wonderful benefits of this law, so that others may more fully enjoy the advantages.

It's only coincidence that they are getting to keep a better benefits package. After all,... they "care" right? I mean, that's what we are being told day in and day out... .so it must be true.

It's also so nice of congress to give them selves pay raises year after year and making sure they are excluded from insider trading rules. You act as if them having different rules for themselves regarding healthcare coverage is anything to be surprised about. They make all kinds of different rules for themselves vs the average person.

AND understood it :1orglaugh

They do... and its wrong. But an obvious point is that if the Affordable Care Act is such an awesome piece of legislation that benefits all, then why are they exempting themselves and more importantly, their staff?

Until March 31st, 2014 Americans making under 400% of the federal poverty level (FPL) can get a type of subsidy called advanced premium tax credits. Tax credits lower premium costs. Those making less than 250% FPL can get subsidies to lower out-of-pocket costs. Those making less than 138% FPL (in some States) may be eligible for Medicaid. Subsidies are only available through their State's health insurance marketplace.

1 person is $11670
4 people is $23850

No Vendzilla, No. I expect a better answer from you. Deflecting, and answering a question with another question, is amateur.

Let me put it another way. In the videos I posted above, republicans scream "death panels" when there were none, and said it would literally kill women. I'm willing to give Bachman some elbow room on this, but still. Please think carefully before answering : How can republican lawmakers, be expected to be taken seriously, when they talk like this?

Hi AmeliaG,

No, not at all. I'm actually trying to approach this in a different way. Of course, ACA / Obamacare is a complicated issue and for sure, not everyone thinks it is perfect. That's a given.

My question above was this : Let's say that you are a concerned citizen who wants health insurance. Why would you (continue to) believe people who (Seem to) use scare tactics like "death panels" and other rhetoric when none ever existed? Would you trust a realtor who said "Don't buy that house it will literally kill babies / buy my house (which I haven't built yet) instead" ?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just asking why you might believe some (not all, ok Vendilla?) republican might say.

And why would you continue to believe reverse scare tactics by the Democrats?

So are you telling me that Congress passes bills without even reading them?

Bullshit. It's not like they walked into Congress one day, was presented a stack of papers, and was told to vote yes or no. They debated and planned this law for months. Not only did their staff read every last line and comment and footnote, so did the Republican party, the press, and the lobbyists. Saying they didn't read it is a bullshit story.

If they didn't read it, how could they debate it for months?

Hi L-Pink,

I don't have any democratic homies and I don't know anything about health insurance in the states, or anyone being forced to use anything, so I really could not answer your question.

What I'm asking now is why would people believe republican lawmakers like Bachman when they say crazy, flat out lies?

Or, do you think she is telling the truth?

And why would you trust someone who approved a healthcare bill they haven't even read much less understood or debated?

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Vendzilla cannot debate anything to save his life. He just cuts and pastes from the sites he reads and accepts it all as fact.

My favorite debate with him was the Waco one. He read a single comment by a single Congressman who claimed the Congressional report into Waco discovered that the fires were set by the FBI, without ever reading the report - which said the direct opposite.

How long did they debate this and discuss this?

More bullshit. You guys believe everything you hear don't you?

The healthcare law itself says just the opposite.

And? Your healthcare bill goes up every year. Stop bitching like a little bitch.

Mine went down. A lot.

From the time the bill was finished and made law? Not long.

And how do you debate something no one has read?


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