Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 20051084)

I dont think anyone was looking at them to predict their own, i think people use them to predict the trends of competitors in order to reaffirm what you may already know works or does not work.

Its a tool thats available , why not use it.

And yes you are right, a decline in traffic, the sales will eventually follow.

Originally Posted by robwod (Post 20051128)

Shap: you already know the site I think you should get involved with, take over or buy out entirely. I think you could take that site, and business model, to new heights. Get Kevin and Michael involved with the billing / management and heck, see if Minnie is still around. You had a seriously good team assembled. I consider those three as three of most productive, proactive, people I've ever dealt with online -- and all ridiculously easy to work with.

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 20050180)

Since you didn't move it to the correct thread:

Theres a reason people launch new brands/sites, theres more money to be made in more sites than there is in putting in all your effort and time into one site, so even if you dont believe there is a cap on the one site (which there is), launching more sites is always the better option once theyre at the level as most other successful ones.

While I like the positivity, your message implies that people should stick with trying to make their one site/product as big as they possibly can instead of expanding the network

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20051091)

Agreed. I was very excited when we smoked Playboy and Penthouse on the trends. And then while we were in a maintaining phase always compared ourselves to Nubiles and Ftv. Two brands who traditionally did as well as us and were extremely well run.

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 20051285)

The whole of the porn industry is only one company now, so that narrows down your options. Good luck with Mind Geek.

Originally Posted by Ramster (Post 20051351)

That is so far from the truth it's scary. Even Mindgeek, if they'd ever admit it, isn't as big as a whole as the industry itself is today. Companies you never even heard of 2 years ago are huge now or growing at the very least under the pay site model. Sure Mindgeek is huge but are they growing? Others are...

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 20051442)

If you read through xbiz bullshit, and there is A LOT of losers on there, you will see Nathan posted that Manwin represents about 5% of adult.

Now that percent can be construed a ton of ways... but for sure... they are only a small pie in the circle. But what is bothersome to me, is that small pie they represent are taking many more slices from the overall.

Take what used to be 3 slices, convert to your own, and get 1 slice. 66% loss to the overall

And a pie is only 360 degrees... and it will always stay that way. But what used to cost 15.00 in 2005 now cost 5.00... and what costs 5.00 now will cost 1.00 in 2 years... etc.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20051468)

Are you talking banana cream? Pumpkin? Boston Cream? How about apple? Because if it is any pie containing fruit then right there that is going to mess your math up completely.

At what point is everything going to be free?

Wait...

Isn't it all free now anyway?

My head is spinning 360 degrees. I feel like a clown just pie'd me in the face!

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 20051474)

I actually know you are serious in that you are getting traffic from tubes. I'm just saying your traffic is now at the expense of others, and mine... just uploaded a couple today.

Thriving industries grow... dying industries go down. Right now... adult is on the decline in a BIG way. Doesn't really matter anyways, it's just porn after all.

Originally Posted by beaner (Post 20051442)

Nathan posted that Manwin represents about 5% of adult.
Now that percent can be construed a ton of ways...

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 20049774)

The decline has made it so you can't reach the same heights, that is all.

And to say it hasn't declined is just flat out wrong. or a lie to not scare off potential affiliates ;)

Originally Posted by Femjoy Michael (Post 20049882)

I commend you guys on doing a fantastic job with branding and search for "nubile films" is indeed increasing in popularity. But the google trends are skewed as Pseudonymous pointed out, by the original "nubiles.net" and the increased video offerings. In other words, when users are searching for "nubile films", this includes the group looking for films from nubiles.net and not just nubilefilms.com. It also includes pirate and "free" searches, so I tend not to rely on it.

If you trend "joymii videos" and "nubile videos", you kill us for the same reason.

Originally Posted by PornoStar69 (Post 20051119)

Hey Shap, how much swagger you got?

Where's that Bugatti Veyron ??

Originally Posted by Nubiles (Post 20051852)

It does not matter if the google trends are skewed because the group searching for nubile films (with the space) who might have been searching for nubiles.net end up at nubilefilms.com and buy a membership. Thats more money in my pocket.

Originally Posted by Femjoy Michael (Post 20052495)

Agreed. I'm not knocking you guys (in fact, I complimented) and I wished we had the same ability to piggy back on a brand name. Please see the original context. We were demonstrating one tool to benchmark performance.

As you and Sean said, all that matters at the end of the day is to make more money than you did before. But you still get a kick out of beating a competitor. This is one way to benchmark. And as an employee, I'm not privy to financials so I use it to benchmark my performance, as well as get insight on our competitors.

I'm not here to swing my dick around. I'm just an employee who wants to do his job better. I laid out my approach and how I interpret the data, hoping to learn from constructive feedback. If you like to discuss and share approaches so we may both learn, you and Kristin have my skype and email. I'm always open to new ideas and I'm always open to sharing what I learn with you.

Originally Posted by Nubiles (Post 20052981)

I agree. Competition is the sole reason why the newer sites are getting better and better content.

When are we going to trade some sales?

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20051508)

Adult is not on any decline last time I looked. Consolidation perhaps, but that is true for every industry cycle. Get over it or find your place in it.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20051508)

Disagree.

The value of tube traffic has gone down. My partner Spike says tubes will be like tgp is now in a year or two and I have to agree. The writing is already on the wall if you have been following that xbiz thread etc.

Nothing we ever did or currently do on tubes was ever "at your expense" in any way whatsoever. You were and are free to reap the rewards or suffer the indignities any way you see fit. We have every right to compete in the reality of the market as do you. By the logic of what you are implying, if we load more clips than you do then you are actually getting traffic at OUR expense.

Adult is not on any decline last time I looked. Consolidation perhaps, but that is true for every industry cycle. Get over it or find your place in it.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20028569)

I agree 100%. As the saying goes we could get the band back together pretty quickly. That said there's no point in doing something half assed. If you start a paysite from scratch you start it and you fuckin kill it. Just like JT did. He had the money went balls to the wall and smashed it. That's the way to do it. To do it that way you need to really throw down the money at the beginning and get everything in place properly. It wouldn't be cheap. It wouldn't even be guaranteed. It would be a big ass job. If I were to make that type of investment, both financially and physically, I'd want it to be something else. I couldn't go through the start up phase of a paysite company again. It's a bitch. For that level of investment I'd rather try my hand at mainstream and fail horribly but have something to say I did in mainstream.


Another thing I'm not interested in is running a company from the get go and being responsible for all the paperwork, the legal, the accounting, basically the core infrastructure. Not many people realize just how much paperwork we had at Twistys. I think it was an entire truckload just of 2257 papers. Absolute insanity.

To get back into adult I have to find something fun. Everything above is not fun.


I think the best way to put is probably the way my wife has described the idea of having another child. She'd love to snap her fingers and have a 7 year old but doesn't have the energy or desire to go through pregnancy and baby phase again.

You get to a certain age or certain point in life where the pregnancy and baby phase is something you've gladly done and enjoyed but have no desire to do it again. That's how I feel.

Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 20056005)

Just curious. are you making as much money now as you were 10 years ago?
A little less, the same, or a little more?
Im not debating Im just curious

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20049389)

I've started replying to a lot of the emails. If you haven't heard back from me be patient you will :)

Originally Posted by Alex1776 (Post 20067070)

When Shap, wheeeeeeennnn???

Originally Posted by _AdultDev_ (Post 20100740)

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21894013)

Shap was good back in the day. He's been "thinking" about getting back in the game for over three years. He's broke or a loser.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21894028)

Lol coming from you that's gold

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21894058)

You obviously want or need a job. So go out and start one. Don't wait for someone to partner up with because that's not going to happen.

And you still haven't found anyone or started something on your own already.

If healthy, wanted and needed to work I would find something in days.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21894247)

I'll be honest I'm picky and particular. Part of the challenge is I think very differently about products and business than most. The people that need my help the most usually think the most differently. The guys crushing it all have the same mindset.

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21894247)

I'll be honest I'm picky and particular. Part of the challenge is I think very differently about products and business than most. The people that need my help the most usually think the most differently. The guys crushing it all have the same mindset.

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21894403)

Shap - that is unbelievably arrogant.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21894406)

I forget what GFY is like and my asshole grumpy side comes out. :(

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21894574)

The massive amount of replies shows how miserable the real industry state is.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 21894616)

heh?
the only people who are miserable are the people who imagine this is an "industry"
its not. Its a place to open a store front. If you choose to make and sell potholders, don't expect to be as successful as the local McDonalds.

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21894631)

Wot? Don't understand what you are trying to succumb.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 21894643)

that there has always been a failing bottom in adult. This thread proves nothing about the state of the industry

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 21894247)

I'll be honest I'm picky and particular. Part of the challenge is I think very differently about products and business than most. The people that need my help the most usually think the most differently. The guys crushing it all have the same mindset.