People from Czech, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Baltic countries...

[MrDeiz]

Please tell gfy what do you think about russia and how it was to live in ussr.

Just your personal opinion on things

Do you feel a difference or did your parents/elders tell you what it was back to then?

[k0nr4d]

CZ, PL, RO and HU were never part of the USSR...

That being said, back when poland was communist you'd basically get cards that you traded for meat or fuel or alcohol (edit: different cards for each of course, you don't have to pick between if you are getting booze, gas or kielbasa). If there was a wedding, you'd get more alcohol cards for instance so people could drink at the reception. The way it was explained to me was that everyone had hella money but the stores didn't have anything to buy. There was a store called Pewex that sold imported products - you'd exchange polish currency for USD and shop there instead.

[MrDeiz]

i never told they were in ussr, but highly influeced, Warsaw block

[klinton]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

The way it was explained to me was that everyone had hella money but the stores didn't have anything to buy. There was a store called Pewex that sold imported products - you'd exchange polish currency for USD and shop there instead.

yeah...hell of money that wasnt worth shit in free market ;-) like it is in cuba now

anyway, as to answer your question... it was f.. up, but dont worry about it. there will be no communism going back ;-)

what else ? besides taking people liberties communists also build roads, gave education to the people and decent health care... so it wasnt genocide...

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by klinton

what else ? besides taking people liberties communists also build roads, gave education to the people and decent health care... so it wasnt genocide...

They also built roads - better roads in west germany, gave better education and better health care.. like madalton said, just compare east/west germany and you can easily see where do people lived/still live a better life.

[xpimp]

Back then you didn't had any free right of speech, you didn't had the right to make a business, work for yourself and make money as many as you like.

Of course, others still regret it because it was a safer place for every individual, everybody worked (there was no such thing as unemployment), received cheap houses and the payment was ok for every individual (the problem was that the option of buying things was very limited )

The ones that regret communism are, in general, the ones from the country villages, the uneducated ones because the rest of the class didn't want to earn as much as as peasant or an industrial worker, the wealth was redistributed so that everyone, regards their professional skill, knowledge and experience , would be paid the same.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

Please tell gfy what do you think about russia and how it was to live in ussr.

Just your personal opinion on things

Do you feel a difference or did your parents/elders tell you what it was back to then?

I tell you: I fucking hate Putin and the way he acts. Professional, but evil - for me.
Russian influence is getting stronger in the middle-europian countries and I fucking dislike it. It seems they succeeded in making Hungary a totally russia-dependent country in terms of energy supplies. I dislike it.

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

Please tell gfy what do you think about russia and how it was to live in ussr.

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

i never told they were in ussr

you really should get the guns and go there to protect your country, or you will just sit on net and blablabla

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

CZ, PL, RO and HU were never part of the USSR...

it is not problem for BIG SIZE IDIOT aka MrDeiz

[xpimp]

To remove all doubts now, this was ussr

[Robin]

Even though Romania wasn't in URSS the situation was quite bad before the '90s.
You had cards for food and you would get portions like 3 eggs, i bottle of milk, half of bread etc. If you had the chance to eat a proper salami most probably the next day the "Securitate" would have knock on your door because you were reported by some neighbor. But, there were not many who could eat meat, most of the things were done from soya, of course except those in the country side which could raise a chicken, cow, whatever.

Waiting for bread and milk: Huge freaking lines of hundreds of people, sometimes waiting days to get something for their families to eat. And the story goes on, I remember when I had the first Pepsi, king of the world, you couldn't find stuff like this that easy. For a kid in those day, it was priceless.

Leaving the cons aside, because there is a lot to write about there were some good parts, miraculously, but they were. Everybody had job, who didn't want a job would go to jail and en dup on some construction site anyways. Everybody had money, cuz they couldn't spend them. Everybody could go on a holiday cuz they had money. Whoever was working could get a house very easy, and it was stupidly cheap. A lot of construction was going on, roads, houses, parks etc. And the last and not the least, in '89 Romania was debt free.

I really hoped Ukraine would have been left alone, but now Crimeea got attached to mother Russia. Dirty game I say, since Ukraine was promised to be protected by the Occident if they give away the nuclear arsenal and it was the 2nd country after Russia if I know it correctly.
I also hope that Moldova and Transnistria are left alone, otherwise it will get even nastier.

[dehash]

Originally Posted by Robin

Even though Romania wasn't in URSS the situation was quite bad before the '90s.
You had cards for food and you would get portions like 3 eggs, i bottle of milk, half of bread etc. If you had the chance to eat a proper salami most probably the next day the "Securitate" would have knock on your door because you were reported by some neighbor. But, there were not many who could eat meat, most of the things were done from soya, of course except those in the country side which could raise a chicken, cow, whatever.

Waiting for bread and milk: Huge freaking lines of hundreds of people, sometimes waiting days to get something for their families to eat. And the story goes on, I remember when I had the first Pepsi, king of the world, you couldn't find stuff like this that easy. For a kid in those day, it was priceless.

Leaving the cons aside, because there is a lot to write about there were some good parts, miraculously, but they were. Everybody had job, who didn't want a job would go to jail and en dup on some construction site anyways. Everybody had money, cuz they couldn't spend them. Everybody could go on a holiday cuz they had money. Whoever was working could get a house very easy, and it was stupidly cheap. A lot of construction was going on, roads, houses, parks etc. And the last and not the least, in '89 Romania was debt free.

I really hoped Ukraine would have been left alone, but now Crimeea got attached to mother Russia. Dirty game I say, since Ukraine was promised to be protected by the Occident if they give away the nuclear arsenal and it was the 2nd country after Russia if I know it correctly.
I also hope that Moldova and Transnistria are left alone, otherwise it will get even nastier.

Dirty (as ALL politic games), but bloodless victory.

[Paul&John]

Originally Posted by xpimp

To remove all doubts now, this was ussr

Hmm which one will be the next?

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Matyko

I tell you: I fucking hate Putin and the way he acts. Professional, but evil - for me.
Russian influence is getting stronger in the middle-europian countries and I fucking dislike it. It seems they succeeded in making Hungary a totally russia-dependent country in terms of energy supplies. I dislike it.

But , isn't most of Europe in the same boat, dependent on Russian gas and oil ?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

People from Czech, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Baltic countries. Help us! We don't wanna work but wanna live like a 1st World!

Fixed that for you, dude

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Matyko

It seems they succeeded in making Hungary a totally russia-dependent country in terms of energy supplies.

Wow, what a shame! Чувак, не сдавайся, борись за свою независимость! Ешь горох, вырабатывай больше газа. Твоя судьба нам искренне небезразлична. Коминтерн с тобой, товарищ

[MaDalton]

whats always up with the posting in russian? i think its extremely impolite and looks like you have something to hide

if you have to say something - say it so that everyone understands

(and so far everything posted in russian seems to be only insults anyways)

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

whats always up with the posting in russian? i think its extremely impolite and looks like you have something to hide

if you have to say something - say it so that everyone understands

(and so far everything posted in russian seems to be only insults anyways)

ever heard of ignorant ruskies?
in czech there're plenty of those, and some few here at gfy

in most cases he posts shit in russian, this time it's some lame ass irony
ohh... and yeah, he barely makes any worthy points. he's a known keyboard warrior and waste of time

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i think its extremely impolite and looks like you have something to hide

Hint: http://translate.google.com/

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Hint: http://translate.google.com/

i'm annoyed - but not stupid

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Fixed that for you, dude

Russia and 1st World country, now that's an oxymoron if I've ever seen one

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i'm annoyed - but not stupid

Stefan, it's the 2nd time you are saying that answering the Russian... time to change the tactics, what would Pooteen do? LOL
Man, on a serious note, the Russian stands on his grounds no matter what.
I'm a native Russian speaker and I'm not scared of Ukrainian like those in Crimea - mo-fucking-rons, may be it's for the best they got cut out.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Pooteen

thx for spelling it right for me
looks like i've made a lot of mistakes with it lately

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

Please tell gfy what do you think about russia and how it was to live in ussr.

Just your personal opinion on things

Do you feel a difference or did your parents/elders tell you what it was back to then?

please send your message to the european council: we don't need to reproduce this shit in this nanny state of europe.

russia seems to be a country ruled by corruption (from my point of view here) but not a new soviet union

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

CZ, PL, RO and HU were never part of the USSR...

That being said, back when poland was communist you'd basically get cards that you traded for meat or fuel or alcohol (edit: different cards for each of course, you don't have to pick between if you are getting booze, gas or kielbasa). If there was a wedding, you'd get more alcohol cards for instance so people could drink at the reception. The way it was explained to me was that everyone had hella money but the stores didn't have anything to buy. There was a store called Pewex that sold imported products - you'd exchange polish currency for USD and shop there instead.

it's better when everything is restricted it saves the nature

[WithBowl]

Im from Latvia. I do respect Putin and I do respect Russia!
Current Ukrainian goverment are criminals and not legitimate.
I think that Crimea people made right choice to join Russia. Im sure they will have now better life...

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by WithBowl

Im from Latvia. I do respect Putin and I do respect Russia!
Current Ukrainian goverment are criminals and not legitimate.
I think that Crimea people made right choice to join Russia. Im sure they will have now better life...

Fuck you, cool?

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by WithBowl

Im from Latvia. I do respect Putin and I do respect Russia!
Current Ukrainian goverment are criminals and not legitimate.
I think that Crimea people made right choice to join Russia. Im sure they will have now better life...

you're from Latvia, but you're ruskie as shit, aren't u

[TheSquealer]

And it feels to me like only yesterday when the US Department of Treasury and EU branded so many Latvian banks as money laundering institutions for New Russians.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

The living conditions haven't much improved for the majority in here. There's 200 thousand people on welfare, the vast majority barely making a living (meaning can't save a dime if they pay for their own housing etc.), pretty much everybody is in huge personal debt, only the very top make European money, and then there's a few multi billionaires.

Somehow I believe that Czechoslovakia, probably after Yugoslavia had the best standard of living in the Eastern block.

It would be quite interesting to hypothetically compare how would the economy look like if they managed to keep their eastern markets, as this country was always in the forefront when it comes to technology and pretty much established across the whole RVHP.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

The living conditions haven't much improved for the majority in here. There's 200 thousand people on welfare, the vast majority barely making a living (meaning can't save a dime if they pay for their own housing etc.), pretty much everybody is in huge personal debt, only the very top make European money, and then there's a few multi billionaires.

Somehow I believe that Czechoslovakia, probably after Yugoslavia had the best standard of living in the Eastern block.

It would be quite interesting to hypothetically compare how would the economy look like if they managed to keep their eastern markets, as this country was always in the forefront when it comes to technology and pretty much established across the whole RVHP.

Carlos, we should ask Stefan why is he making more money then both of us combined I assume LOL.

[mamaliga]

those countries from eastern block are still communists in 2014 year even if they seems free countries. Giving bribe for example- everybody from eastern europe knows very well giving or asking for bribes its something normal like walking on the sun.Along with many other things who didnt changed yet until now.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

The living conditions haven't much improved for the majority in here..

yeah, right

[klinton]

Originally Posted by mamaliga

those countries from eastern block are still communists in 2014 year even if they seems free countries. Giving bribe for example- everybody from eastern europe knows very well giving or asking for bribes its something normal like walking on the sun.Along with many other things who didnt changed yet until now.

of course

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Carlos, we should ask Stefan why is he making more money then both of us combined I assume LOL.

Well I'm not sure about your point, but I am nothing but happy that I don't work in the "local" environment, making a living internationally keeps you making a good living and sane alike.

I am almost the impression that most of this country's people either need to be put on a leash off they fuck everybody and each other up to the point where there's no more space to do an actual business.

And don't get me wrong it's not the legacy of 40 years of communism, since nothing about this really changed during the past 25 years.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by WithBowl

Im from Latvia. I do respect Putin and I do respect Russia!
Current Ukrainian goverment are criminals and not legitimate.
I think that Crimea people made right choice to join Russia. Im sure they will have now better life...

6 months, 1 post, in this thread, hmmm, at least he did not post it in Russian.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

The living conditions haven't much improved for the majority in here.

liar
8 char

[WithBowl]

Originally Posted by WDF

6 months, 1 post, in this thread, hmmm, at least he did not post it in Russian.

It would be better if I had 11,632 or 8,613 posts?
Funny you

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Well guys, just take it as an insider's view, I am talking about housing, energy, food on the table, these things today cost the same portion of average wage as in 1989.

Who's fault is that ? Czech, they inherited a country without a debt, they decided to fuck it all up, and now somebody else needs to own all the countries possessions for it to function.

[SZNY]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

Please tell gfy what do you think about russia and how it was to live in ussr.

Just your personal opinion on things

Do you feel a difference or did your parents/elders tell you what it was back to then?

I can't answer your question but as a foreigner living for 5 yrs in Czech Republic I know that the people are not really super excited about Russia. Maybe that has to do with the Soviet invasion from 1968 and the history.

Personally I think the annexation of Crimea is one of the moves in a power chess game between the US and Russia that is already going on for some time (Snowden, Syria, Crimea).

I don't know who has the biggest balls but its definitely not good.

[mamaliga]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

And don't get me wrong it's not the legacy of 40 years of communism, since nothing about this really changed during the past 25 years.

thats what i was talking about

[qwe]

I was a teenager when ussr still existed, in what it is Ukraine now...

Looking back it was a pretty amazing time:
-School free, Healthcare free, Universities free
-my grandpa (and everyone) working on big plant got free 3 bedroom condos, was also given a lot beside the river for dacha (vocation) where I was chilling whole summer as a kid
-city was beautiful, no garbage or anything like that
-food was all fresh and organic (no genetic bs like now)
-everyone had work, after school people already had guaranteed jobs
-every year vocation on black sea with whole family
-VERY low crime, could walk at night with no worries

I think they had that system ALMOST perfect, it just needed a little bit of tweaking, some downsides were:
-even though everyone had work, moving up and getting paid more were almost impossible (but I guess that's the reason everything was distributed evenly for everyone)
-limited amount of products, cloths that you could buy, stores had almost no variety of stuff
-couldn't really travel around the world, couldn't speak against government

then ussr collapsed, and everything went to shit... stealing, people kill each other, plants shutting down, corruption, huge gap between poor people and oligarchs, so I had to leave the country...

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Well I'm not sure about your point, but I am nothing but happy that I don't work in the "local" environment, making a living internationally keeps you making a good living and sane alike.

I am almost the impression that most of this country's people either need to be put on a leash off they fuck everybody and each other up to the point where there's no more space to do an actual business.

And don't get me wrong it's not the legacy of 40 years of communism, since nothing about this really changed during the past 25 years.

Well, I feel the same way.
My point is we're not that much really different, educated and sane ( as you say ) but still
they do better in Germany...

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by qwe

I was a teenager when ussr still existed, in what it is Ukraine now...

Looking back it was a pretty amazing time:
-School free, Healthcare free, Universities free
-my grandpa (and everyone) working on big plant got free 3 bedroom condos, was also given a lot beside the river for dacha (vocation) where I was chilling whole summer as a kid
-city was beautiful, no garbage or anything like that
-food was all fresh and organic (no genetic bs like now)
-everyone had work, after school people already had guaranteed jobs
-every year vocation on black sea with whole family
-VERY low crime, could walk at night with no worries

I think they had that system ALMOST perfect, it just needed a little bit of tweaking, some downsides were:
-even though everyone had work, moving up and getting paid more were almost impossible (but I guess that's the reason everything was distributed evenly for everyone)
-limited amount of products, cloths that you could buy, stores had almost no variety of stuff
-couldn't really travel around the world, couldn't speak against government

then ussr collapsed, and everything went to shit... stealing, people kill each other, plants shutting down, corruption, huge gap between poor people and oligarchs, so I had to leave the country...

My memories are much worse. I remember unhappy times, no money, home crafted clothes, poor people, 2-3 families living together in a 1 bedroom apartment, and no hope at all....

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by Sid70

My memories are much worse. I remember unhappy times, no money, home crafted clothes, poor people, 2-3 families living together in a 1 bedroom apartment, and no hope at all....

exactly. 90% of ppl were living like that and only communist rednecks were living it good conditions like the guy described.
i've grown in a village. i compare ukrainian village and austrian villages, czech and polish villages. the difference is huge. russian villages... well it's rather a disaster than a village

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by qwe

I was a teenager when ussr still existed, in what it is Ukraine now...

Looking back it was a pretty amazing time:
-School free, Healthcare free, Universities free
-my grandpa (and everyone) working on big plant got free 3 bedroom condos, was also given a lot beside the river for dacha (vocation) where I was chilling whole summer as a kid
-city was beautiful, no garbage or anything like that
-food was all fresh and organic (no genetic bs like now)
-everyone had work, after school people already had guaranteed jobs
-every year vocation on black sea with whole family
-VERY low crime, could walk at night with no worries

I think they had that system ALMOST perfect, it just needed a little bit of tweaking, some downsides were:
-even though everyone had work, moving up and getting paid more were almost impossible (but I guess that's the reason everything was distributed evenly for everyone)
-limited amount of products, cloths that you could buy, stores had almost no variety of stuff
-couldn't really travel around the world, couldn't speak against government

then ussr collapsed, and everything went to shit... stealing, people kill each other, plants shutting down, corruption, huge gap between poor people and oligarchs, so I had to leave the country...

Yes, that's exactly a factual view, and I am not supporting socialism here, I 'm just sayng that this country totally failed as a transitional country. Now looking for the west to save them? The question is what's in exchange fir that

[qwe]

Originally Posted by MrDeiz

exactly. 90% of ppl were living like that and only communist rednecks were living it good conditions like the guy described.
i've grown in a village. i compare ukrainian village and austrian villages, czech and polish villages. the difference is huge. russian villages... well it's rather a disaster than a village

so if you were born in village (silo), i guess that was the issue, what the hell is there to do there, milk cows? and nobody was a redneck communist in my family, just an average working people

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Well, I feel the same way.
My point is we're not that much really different, educated and sane ( as you say ) but still
they do better in Germany...

And it's no surprise, maybe because Germans are used to rely on themselves instead to fucking everything up and cry for help.

[druid66]

well, since Deiz called all of us from eastern e. here's my 2c about recent events and few words about how it was here in '80 (don't remember much from '70):

1. russia now - giant on clay feet, all is dependent on gas. if US will give rock gas technology to china russia will collapse, very fast.

2. putin - good, tough politician, for russians, bandit for ukrainians. for sure interesting guy.

3. ukraine - big problem ahead of them, you join europe - you lost everything, all your country properties and industry will be sold to west corpos, nothing will be yours in few years, you will be dependant on other countries who will drain your blood till last drop.

you stick to russia - your industry and economical growth will be blocked forever like it was for last 70 years.

your only way is to fight your own economical freedom, nearly impossible without help from outside. really tough way ahead of you. a help from young polish ppl who don't carry historical hate would be nice, to give each other hand after years of hatred, sadly on both side there's nationalists cretins who always call "during war they murdered..."

i live near ukrainian border so i'm interested in what happens next just posted my opinions, fell free to talk about it.

now how was it during socialist time in poland? like Konrad said + education was way better i know what i'm talking i was kid then and i see my kids books now i see what they teach them it's sad, it's like national conspiracy to produce morons, so education was better, there was no unemplyed ppl - yes everyone had to have job, everyone had to have home, there was cons and pros i'm not defending those times - let's not forget we were ruled by pure criminals called politicians then.

one more and last: i can read cyrylic slow but i can i used to learn russian in basic school, yet it piss me off when russians here wrote in cyrylic - it's major disrespect to all of us here and i would simply ban such actions, you want russians go to russians boards there's plenty of it. you can find it with .ru suffix guys if you have problem here we have fucking .com

D.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

And it's no surprise, maybe because Germans are used to rely on themselves instead to fucking everything up and cry for help.

It's too generic term to have a discussion I believe.
I blame genes though.