Any fellow BodyBuilders/Strongmen here?

Don't bother with designer / pro hormones like this. If you want an anabolic / androgenic edge, you seriously are 100% better off using REAL steroids that have decades of peer reviewed literature and real world applications. Most importantly, tons of people use real steroids so you've lots of reference material to scour through (doses, sides, ancillaries, etc).

Don't let the loophole legality of these types of products trick you into thinking they're better on your body.

Finally, stay away from test propionate and go with a longer ester like cyp or enanthate as they're painless and you really only need one shot per week. Instead of the crap those guys sell, just scoop up some oxandrolone (anavar) and stack it with your test.

Nice lean mass, incredible strength gains... done deal

tical is completely right about everything he mentioned.

if you train and eat right, you dont need any products, i recently dropped my pre workout. (just creatine + iso whey for me). if you do choose to go all out on the extras for even more help, might as well use cyp/enanthate since most products are terrible for you. think about it, most products were legal at one time because they dont know the long term effects, when the effects come to light, they are taken off store shelves but in that time, theyre bought by everybody

the only difference between people using some of those supplements and steroid users are the ones using the supplements are taking products with ingredients not yet banned.

obviously im not talking about all supplements, moreso the crazy pre workouts and test boosters ive seen.

there's a buff midget guy around here forget his name a selfshot pic

tical is 100% right.

If something actually works...big pharma uses their lobbyists to get it off the market.

That way you have to go to the doctor and then pay a fortune for testosterone with a prescription.

Meanwhile, in most other countries you can just walk in and buy it over the counter and it's very, very cheap (just like it was here before the govt. stepped in and made it a "controlled substance)

It's funny how people accept that testosterone is a "controlled substance"...that means that a young guy is walking around just FULL of "illegal" hormones. lol

The govt. and the pharmaceutical companies play this country like a fiddle.

i like pharmapoo...

i never understood this addiction of getting bigger all the time with shooting up crap in your body, why not do it natural? A friend of mine is shooting up that shit too, the guy is obsessed with getting bigger adn bigger, impossible to talk him out of it. Completely skewed self image.
And is it true that steroids make your dick shrink or is that a myth?

I'm an all natural bodybuilder

Don't want any shrunken balls

stay natural, 6'1 285lbs here

nothing makes your dick shrink.

Save your money. 100 Mgs of prop sun & weds. Maybe an anti aromatase once a week.
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All natural here as well -> whey in the morning, pre workout and after workout and casein before sleep. Also creatine before workouts and that's about it.

Eating right, sleeping, resting, etc... does the job very well.

What are your guys definition of bigger and stronger though? Like bodybuilder strong or strongman competition strong? Or just athletic strength? I consider myself larger than normal in mass but I'm dwarfed by some of the gigantors in my gym. Not all of them are taking test or steroids, some just live at the gym. None of them are lifting a tonne more than I am though and I don't go beyond iso and creatine.

This guy is just spamming us and not looking for any feedback.

operate under the assumption that almost all bodybuilding supplements are snake oil.

The few that actually worked...the govt. removed from the market.

No reason really. Just to stop people from having any alternatives to Big Pharma.

For instance Andro. It was sold at GNC and other vitamin stores.

It actually and really did help your body produce a small amount of extra testosterone.

The FDA moved in after the Mark McGuire baseball "scandal" and pulled it.

So now, IF you want to do it legally...you have to go to a doctor and pay him to prescribe you a hormone (testosterone) that is THE hormone that makes you a man to begin with. Then you have to go to a pharmacy and pay 10 times what the testosterone actually costs.

And then you have to go back to the doctor every couple of months for "blood work" (recurring billing).

All because we live longer than we did in ancient times and our bodies slow down producing testosterone naturally as we get into the late 30's and 40's.

It's amazing to me that people fall for this whole scam.

I bet women would go apeshit if the govt. made Estrogen (the hormone that makes them women) illegal like they did testosterone.

In my humble opinion...we as a society have allowed our govt. to have far more CONTROL over us than they ever should have had.
To the point now where the GOVT. gets to decide how much of your manhood you can keep as you grow older.

What anti aromatase should I go with? Nolvadex or Arimidex? Or something else?

I was prescribed Androgel because I had a varicose vein in my nutsack, so it knocked my testosterone down to 150 -- and brother I sure felt it. I had wondered why I was progressively feeling like shit all the time, almost like I perpetually had the flu.

I go to a specialty doc, and I'm pretty sure he loves having me come back every 3 months for bloodwork and other tests. I look at the bill my insurance is paying and I can tell you it's not cheap.

But I feel fucking great, my body looks better than ever, and I fuck like a werewolf on crack. So while the docs are probably all over-prescribing the testosterone medications to people who might not really need it, for those who legitimately have issues it's like a magic drug. I can't go back to living the way I was before.