Some ANTI-War celebs crossing the line

[playa]

You can be for or against the war thats all good,
shit its your right and freedom to form your own opinion

but when you start to disrespect and talking bad about the Military stationed in the middle east thats when your crossing the line,

I got a brother, neighbor, and friends over there right now,
so i got plenty to loose

[Miss Novette]

I agree with you!!

Tell'em like it is!!

[notion]

I agree. Fuck celebrities anyway, they make money off their faces.. like we really care how intelligently they present themselves or their view on the war. I'm sure there are pro-war celebrities, but the media doesn't give them any airtime.

[Fletch XXX]

i ran into Emilio Estevez at Guitar Center last year, hahaha

I just kept laughing to myself, in Breakfast Club he was this buff little beef, but now... he looked like JR from Dallas, all fat n chubby with a suit overcoat and jeans with cowboy boots picking out guitars,.

funny

hahah

[KRL]

Agree completely, STFU Celebs and keep making your horrific war movies showing people getting blown apart, meteors crashing into earth movies, giant alien movies, and all the crap ripoff films that comes out of Hollywierd these days.

[playa]

What really pisses me is that some them performed on the USO tours,, telling them how proud they are and how honored to be in front of them and shit

what a bunch of hipocrets

[titmowse]

Originally posted by playa

but when you start to disrespect and talking bad about the Military stationed in the middle east thats when your crossing the line,

link please?

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by playa
You can be for or against the war thats all good,
shit its your right and freedom to form your own opinion

but when you start to disrespect and talking bad about the Military stationed in the middle east thats when your crossing the line,

I got a brother, neighbor, and friends over there right now,
so i got plenty to loose

Which ones are you talking about? I haven't really been following, but I have a feeling Barbara Streisand, Martin Sheen, and Alec Baldwin are just a select few. Baldwin swore he would move to another country if Bush was elected. What the fuck is he still doing here?

A couple weeks ago I was at a pre-screening of The Life of David Gale. Kevin Spacey was there afterwards for a short Q&A session. Someone asked him if he felt that celebrities have a responsibility to "lead" the general public. His answer was kick ass.

Celebrities are meant to entertain. Not share their personal "knowledge" with the public. What the fuck do they know about world politics? Foreign affairs? Domestic politics? Fuck all. They're actors. They have been educated in the arts, not political science and business.

And then we have the idiots who actually care what these "knowledgeable celebrities" have to say. Christ. People need to wake the fuck up.

Fuck celebrities. They live in beautiful homes with luxury vehicles, they have no idea what it's like to be an average American.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ


Celebrities are meant to entertain. Not share their personal "knowledge" with the public. What the fuck do they know about world politics? Foreign affairs? Domestic politics? Fuck all. They're actors. They have been educated in the arts, not political science and business.

Just like the people who spew their opinions here. They can say whatever they want, who cares.

[playa]

Whenever this shit is over and the troops comeback

I swear i will punch someone in the mouth if they call them baby killers or spit on them or whatever like they did back during vietnam war

[Danny_C]

I haven't heard any celebrities say anything about the troops. Please show me what you're talking about, or at least explain.

Everybody has a right to an opinion, and everybody has a right to voice that opinion. That's America. That's the freedom those soldiers are supposed to be fighting for, so why would you want to shut people up?

[Fletch XXX]

Despite my unbearable lust for the Barabarella Jane Fonda, she said some good things in the old days.

Celebs have always 'shared their opinion' I dont see why it matters any less now then it did back then, and they wanted to hang Jane

hahah

[Gutterboy]

I'm surprised at the number of babies we have here who can't handle living in a country with free speech.

[Joe Sixpack]

Of course if these same celebrities were agreeing with you you'd be telling us how intelligent and patriotic they were.

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by Gutterboy
I'm surprised at the number of babies we have here who can't handle living in a country with free speech.

Isn't free speech when people agree with you?

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Celebrities are meant to entertain. Not share their personal "knowledge" with the public. What the fuck do they know about world politics? Foreign affairs? Domestic politics? Fuck all. They're actors. They have been educated in the arts, not political science and business.

It's a free country. They can do whatever the hell they want. There have plenty of celebrities who have also come out in support of the war. BTW....Reagan was an actor. Likewise, Scwarzenegger, Charlton Heston and Bruce Willis, are all Republicans, and are politically very vocal.

It's their right!

What part of the constitution that protects our freedom of expression do people have difficulty understanding??



Also, where did these celebrities start talking smack about the troops? Source? If they did, I'd say they're pretty stupid, but it's their right to be.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


Isn't free speech when people agree with you?

Lots of people seem to believe that.

Another question...

Why is it always those who self identify as patriots who believe that to protect freedom, they must squash free speech?

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


Isn't free speech when people agree with you?

Evidently.




btw, Joe.......I didn't get your ICQ.....ping me when you have the chance 176050593

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by JeremySF



Evidently.




btw, Joe.......I didn't get your ICQ.....ping me when you have the chance 176050593

You're on my contact list.

Mine is #101014454

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by JeremySF


It's a free country. They can do whatever the hell they want. There have plenty of celebrities who have also come out in support of the war. BTW....Reagan was an actor. Likewise, Scwarzenegger, Charlton Heston and Bruce Willis, are all Republicans, and are politically very vocal.

It's their right!

What part of the constitution that protects our freedom of expression do people have difficulty understanding??

You're right. Although there's a difference between speaking your opinion and becoming the next Jane Fonda. But, like you, I have no idea what playa was referencing.

Articles?

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


Lots of people seem to believe that.

Another question...

Why is it always those who self identify as patriots who believe that to protect freedom, they must squash free speech?

Funny, I was going to post the same thing. If you talk the talk, you should walk the walk.

I support the entire bill of rights, 1 through 10. What's up with all these people who think the Constitution is like cafeteria, that you can pick and choose what rights people should have, or when a paticular right doesn't apply universally.

Geez....it just dawned on me that I'm almost agreeing with Gutterboy who politically is on the complete end of the spectrum as me...

Hey, Joe....did you see the results from that political test? You (and Gutterboy) came up as overall the least like me. Joe was 3rd least like me and Gutterboy 5th least like me. LOL

[Hawkeye]

George Washington (you know, the Father of our country) warned against maintaining a large standing army. Why? Because they tend to create their own policies and seek out missions for themselves when they get bored. He was a very smart man, and it turns out he was right.


So many military people today say "Hey, just let us do our job, that's all we ask". Well, sorry assholes, when "doing your job" involves harassing other countries for no reason, pissing off our allies, acting as muscle for petty political disputes, and undermining freedom, then TRUE patriotic Americans have a right to call you out.

Can any sane person really claim that 300K troops in Kuwait are really protecting America's freedom?

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You're right. Although there's a difference between speaking your opinion and becoming the next Jane Fonda. But, like you, I have no idea what playa was referencing.

Articles?

People dig their own graves. It was Hanoi Jane's right and she paid the price. She forever destroyed her reputation, at least in my eyes.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by JeremySF


It's a free country. They can do whatever the hell they want. There have plenty of celebrities who have also come out in support of the war. BTW....Reagan was an actor. Likewise, Scwarzenegger, Charlton Heston and Bruce Willis, are all Republicans, and are politically very vocal.

It's their right!

What part of the constitution that protects our freedom of expression do people have difficulty understanding??



Also, where did these celebrities start talking smack about the troops? Source? If they did, I'd say they're pretty stupid, but it's their right to be.

You're the worst conservative on GFY. You actually make sense sometimes.

Dave Plays for President!

[playa]

Hey i didn't say shit about it being wrong to take a stance

like i said you have the freedom to say whatever you want

but to call the military over there a bunch of killers and losers is crossing the line

its almost becoming like the Vietnam Era
the soldiers come back and they gets no love or respect from the people

[extreme]

Originally posted by playa
Hey i didn't say shit about it being wrong to take a stance

like i said you have the freedom to say whatever you want

but to call the military over there a bunch of killers and losers is crossing the line

its almost becoming like the Vietnam Era
the soldiers come back and they gets no love or respect from the people

If any soldier has a problem with being a killer i'd say they are in the wrong biz.

But agreed, the politicians are to blame. Not the soldiers. Unless they actually do commit war crimes down there.

We'll never know though, the US backed out of the war crimes court...

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by playa
Hey i didn't say shit about it being wrong to take a stance

like i said you have the freedom to say whatever you want

but to call the military over there a bunch of killers and losers is crossing the line

its almost becoming like the Vietnam Era
the soldiers come back and they gets no love or respect from the people

"You have the freedom to say whatever you want, except when I think its over the line"

hahaha, grow the fuck up. You don't realize how idiotic that is, do you? Let me make it as simple as possible..

Is it only you who gets to judge whats over the line? Maybe I think that calling peace protesters losers is over the line.. should I be able to shut you up? Why should your opinion about whats 'over the line' be preferenced over mine?

And in fact, most of the people who I knew who went into the military were losers. They went in because they weren't smart enough to go to college, couldn't support themselves after HS, some were racists who wanted to kill sand ******s, and various similar reasons.

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


You're the worst conservative on GFY. You actually make sense sometimes.

Dave Plays for President!

LOL.....I try.

Originally posted by Playa

Hey i didn't say shit about it being wrong to take a stance

like i said you have the freedom to say whatever you want

I'm not sure if you're referring to me. I agree. IMHO that is crossing the line, but it's their right.

but to call the military over there a bunch of killers and losers is crossing the line

[B]

Originally posted by Playa

but to call the military over there a bunch of killers and losers is crossing the line

Who did? I believe you but I'd like to see the source. People are always quotiing shit on here that turns out to be B.S.

[playa]

Originally posted by Gutterboy

And in fact, most of the people who I knew who went into the military were losers. They went in because they weren't smart enough to go to college, couldn't support themselves after HS, some were racists who wanted to kill sand ******s, and various similar reasons.

Hey sorry but not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth, I didn't grow up in the best schools or had parents that went to college. joining the military was the best thing for me


But guess why every job application you apply for always ask about your military experience?

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by playa



Hey sorry but not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth, I didn't grow up in the best schools or had parents that went to college. joining the military was the best thing for me


But guess why every job application you apply for always ask about your military experience?

Because they want to know if you have any military experience?

I would just like to know why you believe that the military should be above criticism? The only way people accusing the military of being baby killing losers is going to hurt is if there is some basis to those accusations.

In Vietnam there certainly was.

[playa]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


I would just like to know why you believe that the military should be above criticism?

Because they don't make orders they follow them.

There out thier living in sand and taking a shit in port o potties.
and wondering if they gonna be alive the next day


so weather you for or against they still need the support

[Joe Sixpack]

Originally posted by playa



Because they don't make orders they follow them.

That's a choice they made. Nobody forced them to join the army. You take responsibility for your own decisions.

[Theo]

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
Of course if these same celebrities were agreeing with you you'd be telling us how intelligent and patriotic they were.

of course

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by Gutterboy


And in fact, most of the people who I knew who went into the military were losers. They went in because they weren't smart enough to go to college, couldn't support themselves after HS, some were racists who wanted to kill sand ******s, and various similar reasons.

Maybe that says more about who you hang around with rather than who goes into the military. I have a lot of friends who are in or went into the military who were far from being losers. Some had graduated from college. Others didn't have the money for college, so they did the G.I. Bill and went to college afterwards.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Baldwin swore he would move to another country if Bush was elected. What the fuck is he still doing here?

Must still be shopping for a cheap flight.

[xerox]

they are fucking morons, i wish they would go be a human shield

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by playa


so weather you for or against they still need the support

yes they do!



btw....can you send me that link. I want to know which celebrities were talking smack about the soldiers.

[JeremySF]

Originally posted by xerox
they are fucking morons, i wish they would go be a human shield

who?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Baldwin swore he would move to another country if Bush was elected.

The keyword in that sentence might be "elected".

[playa]

I am starting to believe that its not really anti-war but an excuse for anti-bush

"We live in a democracy," says Bert Astrup, 40, of Houston. "They have the right to voice their opinion as much as I do. The difference is I don't have the same access to the press. I can't just call CNN and say 'I want a press conference.' My guess as to why celebrities do it? Because they don't have our current president's ear."

[kenny]

Thats the beauty of america, people have the right to spit in the faces of others that made their life of freedom and luxury possible. Recent polls show over 80% of the people could care less what a celeb thinks about political/diplomatic situations. Everyone who knows what is going on understands their view on world affairs are nothing short of ignorance.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by KRL
Agree completely, STFU Celebs and keep making your horrific war movies showing people getting blown apart, meteors crashing into earth movies, giant alien movies, and all the crap ripoff films that comes out of Hollywierd these days.

What do you think of Arnold running for office?

[Rich]

I agree, Bush may be a crazy evil bastard, but the troops are just following orders and risking their lives, and everyone should support them. We don't need another Jane Fonda.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by Hawkeye
George Washington (you know, the Father of our country) warned against maintaining a large standing army. Why? Because they tend to create their own policies and seek out missions for themselves when they get bored. He was a very smart man, and it turns out he was right.


So many military people today say "Hey, just let us do our job, that's all we ask". Well, sorry assholes, when "doing your job" involves harassing other countries for no reason, pissing off our allies, acting as muscle for petty political disputes, and undermining freedom, then TRUE patriotic Americans have a right to call you out.

Can any sane person really claim that 300K troops in Kuwait are really protecting America's freedom?

I guess those 300K of troops just decided one day 2 hop on a few ships and plane's and go on over there.

If the military people today didn't say "Hey, just let us do our job.
We'd will be in big trouble, I remember Nam myself. That's exactly what happened the military didn't say "Hey, just let us do our job.

[Lane]

i don't think many celebs say anything bad about the troops

[Fire]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


What do you think of Arnold running for office?

Why didn't you just start a new thread instead of bumping this old shit??

[Webby]

Originally posted by Hawkeye
George Washington (you know, the Father of our country) warned against maintaining a large standing army. Why? Because they tend to create their own policies and seek out missions for themselves when they get bored. He was a very smart man, and it turns out he was right.

There are several countries which either have no armies or "limited versions" - the test of time is that they have never been involved in wars or had any terrorist threats. These are the most stable countries in the world.

Originally posted by Hawkeye
Can any sane person really claim that 300K troops in Kuwait are really protecting America's freedom?

No, this has nothing to do with "America's freedom". Potential attackers of the US are not attacking because of "America's freedoms" anyway.

[Hawkeye]

Originally posted by playa
You can be for or against the war thats all good,
shit its your right and freedom to form your own opinion

but when you start to disrespect and talking bad about the Military stationed in the middle east thats when your crossing the line,

I got a brother, neighbor, and friends over there right now,
so i got plenty to loose

People in the military are doing more harm than good.

They're firing into crowds in Baghdad (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...023932,00.html)
and generally creating enemies for America. The very reason that terrorists are attacking us is because our military is occupying foreign countries and taking sides in foreign wars.

The US military needs to be brought home to protect America rather than being used as hired killers for corporate America and the Bush family.

But most military members are extremely gung-ho about fighting any enemy that the government invents and are always falling in line and belieiving whatever the president tells them.

[Rochard]

Someone above said "what the fuck do actors know about world politcs?"

Well, I'm sure they know more about world politics than you and I do.

For the most part, we are pornographers on this board. We all have opinions about world politics, but what the fuck qualifies us to speak about it? Actors aren't much different than us. They read the same newspapers, books, and watcht he news just like we do. Thus, they are just as qualified to have their own opinions about world politics - with one difference.

While you and I chat about it on a message board, they pay $1000 a plate to have dinner with Presidents and God only knows who else.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by playa
Hey i didn't say shit about it being wrong to take a stance

like i said you have the freedom to say whatever you want

but to call the military over there a bunch of killers and losers is crossing the line

its almost becoming like the Vietnam Era
the soldiers come back and they gets no love or respect from the people

So, if you had been around 50 some years ago and a citizen of Germany you would have said the same to people about Hitler's troops in WWII? Don't go disrespecting the troops..they're just following orders?