What those guys won't be showing is a screenshot of them renewing their subscription when their 30 days is up and no longer have access even though they cancelled their subscription. They're just looking for acknowledgment on twitter from models they like.

As long as Shap gets his $ who gives a fuck.

Didnt know AVN and XBIZ was for sale, I heard they were saving their pennies up, to buy you:winkwink:

You must not have been reading them very long they are for sale cheap.....

and they dont have enough money to buy me either....

The interesting thing here in my eyes is that the adult models who got fucked over by manwin are pulling together and taking a stand.

Porn Valley on the other hand bent over and said Thank You Sir May I Have another,

one could also say that no one cares - besides said models - whereof 99% will change their opinion in a heartbeat once the next rent is due and they get a shoot for Twistys offered

I'm not sure sure Stefan... there's definitely a few bridges being burned if you read the tweets. The G/G models and solo models seem most affected, and the tweets seem to suggest Twistys is going more hardcore, or is focusing more on the girls who do B/G hardcore versus the ones limited to solo and G/G. Certainly I have no confirmation on that, it's just what I keep reading.

No disrespect intended but isn't that part of the job description.


Some opportunistic investor will get behind them, give them a push, and put together a fan/pay site I'm sure. Always someone looking to make something off the current buzz.

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Twisty's was sold off to another company, they can do whatever they want it

There you go again... where is the decision on Jordan vs Manwin? That actually would be newsworthy. Models complaining and ex employees disagreeing with new management just doesn't rise quite to the level that someone winning a multi million dollar law suit... but that might just be me.

The members on twistys are extremely critical, lots of harsh remarks about the physiques of certain models or the direction of a scene.

I'm not sure it's limited to Twistys members. I've read some of the comments from members areas of many sites, for example Brazzers where some comments are just egregiously disrespectful, and then and even inside sites like Digital Desire, some can be fairly critical, albeit DigitalDesire's members are also largely respectful. On the flipside, comments from people inside the really softcore sites, like OnlyTease.com and PinupFiles.com appear overwhelmingly respectful and positive -- different demographics I guess. Certainly a small data sample as it's only from my own observations as having been inside hundreds of these types of sites.

True dat. Take the 7 mil or whatever and GTFO at the top. Props, and well played sir.

In the end, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, when the fat lady has sung, when the curtain falls, when the show is over, when the last barfly leaves, when the lights go out, when the final bell tolls and when you get right down to it only a single thing matters:

Who's got the motherfucking money.

I don't care what they do with the site. If Rob wasn't running things I probably wouldn't have logged in. Truth is he was there and I stepped in to back him up.

I'm always there to step up for my old crew members whether they are working Manwin Twistys or another company.

Good to know you have the people you care abouts back.

I was established years ago on the evils of Manwin and Manwin/Mindgeek related sites.

At the end of the day it was just accepted and it pretty much is what it is. People were loud and disagreed with what Lars and others were doing when CAMS were giant, the ads everywhere, on all different types of sites, but again, nothing was really done.

Maybe if more time was put into doing more positive, supporting those who are doing things right, and just trying to create a positive environment would benefit everyone, and also make people more money.

You will post 3000 more threads about how evil they are, who is upset, but in the end it really will make no difference.

Sure this gets a lot of views, and it gets lots of people to your site and increases what you can sell ads for, but all in all we should probably all start giving props to those doing good, doing right, and supporting them in any way we can.

Always. They went to war for me and I'll go to war for them. Obviously there are varying degrees depending on the person. But let's say a guy like Michael (Mpahlca). I have his back for life in whatever it may be. Business, person, a fight, family whatever. I'm there for him. He just has to say the word or turn on our secret Bat Signal we have set up :thumbsup

Well said! This won't hurt them on bit. It will be a pain in the ass for a week or two but then it blows over and they'll continue to steamroll.

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hey mike, who owns this website ?

http://www.allthepornstars.com/tgpx/submit.php

I'm not the Michael he mentioned, but as a former employee, what Shap says is true.
Both he and Michael provided the right amount of guidance and support.

Twistys was my first "office" job.
Too many guys in this business can't let go of their ego and insist on micro-managing. Only after leaving the company, did I come to appreciate how much Sean and Michael worked at being good managers in order for the employees to feel appreciated, and the company subsequently thrive. You don't get that sort of understanding by working alone at home.

And of course you don't want to get into a fight with a guy who can bench 500lbs :Oh crap

Ahh thanks Michael. Everyone at my gym has heard the story of how you almost got the entire office lunch with 50 straight pushups :)

Yeah that was pretty impressive :thumbsup

Sometimes when you fight a war even though you ultimately won, you lost. And vice-versa. Manwin definitely took some punishment and is still taking some punishment for their reputation. I would not be surprised if some of the negativity towards them in the industry already cost them a major mainstream deal or two. Many major mainstream companies would take one look at some of the accusations made here towards them and run like hell.

Rewarding those doing it the right way is a good idea. The good people in the industry ought to band together more for sure to support one another.

What a very well written post - and good point

as in politics: it's the bungled cover up that creates the shit storm

banning models from the forum, which is one aspect Twistys still has going for it, was a dumb move to solve things

banning Shap and members, that's just sad

members cancelling, will most lickely be the miost shitty for revshare affiliates

well you cancel them and then you let them join again :winkwink:

i dont know but I see they banned twistys...interesting soon as I have some time I will followup.

Its interesting to me the success that this handful of models has had in impacting Twistys bottom line...admitted it isnt huge and it wont likely bankrupt them anytime soon but I guarantee you they feel it

All jokes aside I am seriously doubting they felt anything from this.

It's always a few focal people raising hell and cancelling but for 99% it's business as usual.

Edit, that site is Robs site.

It's NEVER good business to lose customers. And even if they lose a handful over this...it just isn't good business.

well stated and very true. What the negative publicity has cost Manwin more than anything is financing. They may have gotten a venture capital investment early on but they haven't been able to get another, hence the merger with Redtube.

Say what you want but Manwin/MindGeek IS struggling financially, almost all of those businesses they bought up are in the red and the few that arent like Twistys are in decline and may well end up as a net loss.

I hope that I played some part in them missing out on any mainstream deals, Charlie Gasperino assures me that I have.

I assure you I will continue to fight this "war"

I think they lost enough models, performers, photographers and got enough bad press over this that they did feel it. My sources inside Manwin tell me its big internally.

plus those models were bringing in paying customers, since they tried to get their fans to signup and vote for them, easiest money they ever made probably

people had to sign up to vote? Like a paid signup?

yes, now they could already signup for a $1 trial, still a portion of those will rebill

so the question is will any model put any effort in promotion next year? I think that will be the biggest loss

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These wouldn't the same sources that were wrong about Streamrate and Jules Jordan would they?

Do you get a feeling of a hunch that there is a possibility to think about mulling over so you can form a hypothesis from which to draw a possibly probable conclusion? :1orglaugh

I don't know, I'd like to think that most people have enough self respect so as to not want to be seen crawling back on their hands and knees.

Then again, judging by some of the people here...

http://i.imgur.com/wYVJk67.jpg

Who knows :|.

I absolutely agree with this sentiment, especially now.
Porn companies should be maturing and recognizing their paying customers are not blindly opening their wallets like 2004.

Ramster/Rob was one of the few trying to improve the quality of the product, which really separates your paysite from free sources like tubes

I tend not to take Mike South's posts as a reliable source, but it is many who agree the adult prerecorded content pay sites lost conversion ratio after 2005, 2008, 2010 and supposedly in the past 3 years too.

Specific reasons of decline are told by many to be, except obvious financial crisis which hits every business not just this: 1) piracy (dvd and HD rips, mainly torrents and filelockers) and 2) tubes (low quality, but enough for most of the people who just fap 5-10 mins).

If it is correct to say that tubes do cannibalize the (prerecorded content) pay sites, then I do not understand why a leading tube company as Mansef->Manwin should have invested money into buying the main (prerecorded content) pay sites. In fact other tube companies (xhamster, xvideos, ...) did not spent money in purchasing (prerecorded content) pay sites, that I know of - more probable they re-invested in real estate or bitcoin, all except pay sites.

A tube buying pay sites (if really tubes cannibalize pay sites as most people imply), it is like if the first digital audio/photo/video makers ( = tubes, the future) invested into purchasing the dieing (cannibalized) analogic kodak film, slide projectors and magnetic cassette makers ( = pay site) to continue produce the old stuff no matter what. If a flat LCD monitor maker purchased a dieing CRT monitor company to keep it up producing CRT monitors. An USB flash drive maker purchasing a floppy disk maker and so on. If an online digital media company purchased a printed (paper!) magazine, such as... Playboy.

If Mansef->Manwin had to invest money to buy something "because had to spend investor/advertising cash flow money anyway", it made more sense to buy in a growing or at least stable sales market, for example, cam sites: streamate, myfreecams, imlive, nothing smaller than that - and only that, no any twistys, digital playground etc., and even sell out brazzers ASAP, divesting completely from pay sites, leaving only tubes + ad network + cams, nothing else. Was it South who said Manwin wanted to buy Streamate? Perhaps could do it if had not purchased anything else first, I assume you can't buy both big cam and big pay sites (funds limit), choice was made it was pay sites, now what?

PS: Was it the christian teachers pension fund who invested in Manwin via new york banks?

I think conversions took the biggest hit in 2013, was also the first time I had several owners telling me, an affiliate, that conversions were (way) down, instead of the usual 'best year ever'-line

think someone from FreeOnes could give a pretty good view of what happened to paysite conversions across the board over the years