brassmonkey

think i just saw it listed on backpage

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Stephen

It doesn't have to be a nuke, but the circumstances are such that you can't rule out that plane sitting under cover on some dink runway, being prepared for something far bigger...

Good movie fodder anyway

lucas131

so the missing aircraft have been found ...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/us...html?hpt=hp_c2

... ehh, sorry, i know, hardcore fun ...

Matt 26z

This scenario becomes more concerning with each day the plane is missing. Especially considering they took a 777.

TheSquealer

Right, they probably landed a fully loaded 777 in the jungle somewhere. You can put them down anywhere .... they probably landed in someone's back yard and then quickly parked it in the garage.

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_Richard_

so:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/...plane-missing/

'Twenty of the passengers aboard the flight work with Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas. The company said that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.'

there is rumours that this company is involved with rather classified defense contracts etc

mineistaken

Pilot error at the same time when communications were lost? Pretty huge coincidence

scottybuzz

Uh-oh.

the conspiracy nutters come out from their basements. Hopefully the spring's sunlight will force them to retreat again.

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mineistaken

What is that 4 days old info? Not everybody is watching Asia news..

SilentKnight

Hopefully they didn't end up on North Sentinel Island.

_Richard_

cnn is a conspiracy nutter?

have you lost your mind?

in other news:
http://gawker.com/oil-rig-worker-say...m=socialfl ow

A New Zealand man working on an oil rig in the South China Sea claims he witnessed missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 burst into flames before disappearing.

Stephen

Don't be a simpleton, I know you're smarter than that. The region is littered with abandoned airfields from WWII and it doesn't take too much money from terrorist groups or drug cartels to carve a serviceable strip from the jungle, even for that size aircraft.

I guarantee that any known place it could have landed has been / is being checked, as well as massive surveillance underway to uncover any hidden location.

The days of scoffing and saying "that could NEVER happen!" ended on 9/11

_Richard_

problem with that theory is satellites.. chinese launched 10 for just this incident

TheSquealer

Simpleton?

Ok... lets understand what you are saying. You are suggesting that "in the jungle" is a perfectly paved runway capable of supporting a Boeing 777 fully loaded with fuel, passengers and cargo (~500,000lbs or 250 tons)... that is at least 2 miles in length, including a completely clear, unobstructed approach... existing unbeknownst to any military or government, which no satellite is monitoring and that AND no one can find these runways or identify a missing commercial airliner with a 212' wingspan parked on one.

And according to you, its silly to even scoff at that notion?

Sounds legit.

Suggesting that a plane like this can be landed at an "abandoned" airfield, no matter how much modification is done, clearly indicates that you have no clue what kind of runway is required to even support a loaded plane like this. it's not like Sea Bees laying down landing mats in the mud to land a single passenger WWII fighter plane you know.

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_Richard_

now there is a lot of assumptions

Stephen

Not a problem, the Chinese investment illustrates how seriously this possibility is being taken

Global Hawk and other assets are all over this

TheSquealer

I'm often off with my assumptions.

For example, I used to assume you weren't just an useless faggot working as someones low wage employee with nothing to offer but vague, snarky remarks...spending your days embarrassing the company that stooped low enough to employ you.

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_Richard_

it's a good possibility..

ahh, i see, you don't wanna talk about the matter at hand

so you revert to a little bitch

Stephen

You assume it is "unbeknownst to any military or government," which is a HUGE assumption

Not "just" according to me.

NO responsible contingency planner scoffs at any notion today, and such a scenario is easily within the realm of motivated operators.

Actually it can be that easy. I grew up with runways as my second home and I've seen nearly every type of aircraft ever flown and have watched the Russians land bigger jets on a mud field -- different aircraft to be sure, but the weight was not the end all you might believe it to be.

_Richard_

DWB

I live not too far from all of this and can tell you for 100% fact that there are PLENTY of places to put that aircraft down in the region. Countless abandoned Vietnam War time airstrips are littered across SE Asia. Or for that matter, paid off officials to land at the very airport it took off from, or another smaller one elsewhere. Money literally buys EVERYTHING over here. No matter how absurd it sounds, money could buy this, I have no doubt.

When you have the military of these nations deeply involved in the drug and arms trade and using their planes to carry contraband on a regular basis, anything is possible. The military runs most of these countries and what they want to do, they do. End of story.

Thailand has a few small military bases that were used during the war than lands 747 and 777 planes from Russia on a regular basis. You would never think it could be done, but they do it often. And if they do it here, they can do it anywhere.

That said... I'm NOT saying this was the case, as I don't think this is what happened. I'm just saying it could with a little planning and a lot of money. I believe it was hijacked and everyone is dead.


Some great coverage of this coming out on the Asian news networks right now. They seem to be breaking it a lot faster than the western media.

Stephen

The point is that while such a scenario is highly unlikely it is not impossible and smart folks are spending time and money on eliminating this possibility.

And BTW, if they found it sitting on a runway, it wouldn't make CNN until the meat eaters were through and egressed off-site

DWB

Now the military is saying they didn't track the plane, so it's already fudged and confusing.

mineistaken

Isn't it the other way around - it was easier to land without being noticed before 9/11 and harder after..

mineistaken

If I would consider landing unnoticed the only thing I would consider would be - landing in current airfield/airport in some "friendly" country, WITH a knowledge of airport staff.

Stephen

This is why I say no one should assume that "no government" (or government agency) knows

Bladewire

So in 2014 A Jetliner with 234 people can disappear & people can board planes with stolen passports.

You are not safer. You never were. You never will be. Don't believe the bullshit

DWB

Look on a map, you can see all the neighboring nations there. Some of them are full of Muslim extremists. All of them have incredibly corrupt governments and military.

mineistaken

So what was that 4 days old info that was held off in order to make them search in the wrong place? That would be huge international scandal..

TheSquealer

I grew up flying as well. Non stop. My family owned planes. All their friends owned planes. I grew up in rural Alaska where planes were used like cars. I am not an overly experienced pilot and never had a passion for flying given that every 3rd family i grew up with had a father who died in a plane crash,... but i am familiar with what it takes to actually set down a plane like that and how much runway its going to need to take off... not to mention that there cannot be any obstructions at either end (hills, etc). Just a Cessna 207 fully loaded often needs 5-6k feet of runway with no headwind to take off (though its under powered and easily overloaded). I've had dozens of moments where i thought we weren't going to make it on large strips. Additionally, the runway has to be able to support the physical weight of the plane. That means it has to be build from the foundation up, like a highway. Runways used to get destroyed all the time by planes landing on them for which they weren't built for. Particularly loaded cargo planes. I remember in AK once a fully loaded 747-400 landed on a runway full of forklifts for an oil company and they had to park the plane and completely rebuild and upgrade and lengthen the entire runway to not only fix the damage but to get it out of there again. My point is also that though it "might be possible"... it is a highly improbable scenario as its unlikely such a runway of this size and construction, long enough and build to standards to support a fully loaded 777, exists that was built covertly and not being monitored. It just can't be something secret that no one knows about...its a massive construction project of specific construction, requiring a very specific location and the runway has to be huge. And its something that every regional government in addition to foreign governments with satellite surveillance capability would be monitoring.

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Stephen

The report I saw stated that the number of travelers with false documents is near a billion -- that seems super high to me, but many millions annually by most estimates. It appears that only the U.S., U.K. and Israel actually match passports against the Interpol "stolen" database

Flights departing from other nations are on their own...

Stephen

I've been to Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia (which has the world's largest Muslim population, including many folks that have no use for westerners), but I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just about possibilities and capabilities.

Dollars to donuts everything is being looked at, including how feasible an Entebbe style raid on GITMO would be, if you just had a big enough plane -- of course, folks with the financing for something like that could just buy an aircraft without making all this public fuss...

On the Alaska example, TheSquealer is quite correct in that landing an aircraft on a short runway is a very different challenge than taking off again -- but I've been to Saba as well, and when it's a choice of "fly or die" wishful thinking has a certain anti-gravity effect

TheSquealer

The worst experience i ever had actually was being in a twin engine Navajo and as we climbed over a mountain range, there were these very loud bangs. really loud. Like muffled gun shots. Boom!..... Boom!...... Boom!... then nothing..... then 10 minutes later Boom!.

Pretty scary to be in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of winter in a plane with a poor glide ratio, in the mountains feeling like at any moment, its going to have some sort of catastrophic failure.

Turned out, we had a few 1000.00 of groceries and bags of potato chips were exploding as the cabin pressure decreased.


I would also add that if someone wanted a commercial jet for nefarious purposes as people suggest, its far easier to just steal one from a defunct airline, a company/private party or one that was repossessed and parked at some airport in some country no one cares about and so on. The world is littered with them.. Then its just a missing plane that another creditor might have taken possession of. It's not a practical solution to steal and hide a loaded commercial passenger plane and make it a world news story and attract every governments attention, endless searches, have military's searching, satellites searching etc.

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SilentKnight

Good point - unless you wanted the passengers to boost the carnage and body count.

Matt 26z

There was an interesting comment posted to this news story:


http://nationalreport.net/aliens-abd...-flight-mh370/
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What I believed to have happened to flight MH370, was that it collided with a thin layer of volcanic ash near the upper atmosphere at the altitude of 35000ft that drifted across from Mount Sinabung Indonesia Volcano that erupted 2 days prior killing 16 people and injuring many others. During the first day of the eruptions the winds carried the Mt Sinabung Volcanic ash to the West / North West of the island at an altitude of 12000ft or more, but then during the 7th of March the winds shifted 050 degrees (or similar) and was carried east across to the Gulf of Thailand as it drifted higher in the atmosphere.
As the pressure dropped that night above the Gulf of Thailand the thin layer must have dropped into the flight path of flight MH370, which would explain the mystery ‘static mumbling’ noise the ‘no-named’ pilot heard coming from the First Officer of MH370 before shortly losing contact.
At this moment I believe some form of electrostatic charge from the ash particles colliding with the aircraft disabled the communications of the 777, and in the meantime, the volcanic ash built up in the two Rolls Royce engines causing multiple engine fires and failures.
The electrostatic charge could of made it hard for the communications to emit a signal or rendered the hardware in the cockpit disabled.
As for the no wreckage of the 777 there could be only one explanation…
I believe the Senior Captain with his 19000 flight hours of experience, did his best to make an emergency water landing with no engines thrusting at all in pitch black darkness above the Gulf, which I believe he was successful at attempting with his decades of captaining, but, unfortunately and disastrously, the 777 sunk or the hull was breached upon impact, causing a torrent of water to flood the cabin at such a rate that it was pulled down by the weight of the ocean water, before the flight crew could open the doors perform evacuation procedures.
It is so sad what has happened, but when the wreckage is found, the authorities will have most of the victims of that flight accounted for so that the families can find resolution .
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DWB

The Chinese have found large pieces of something in the water, they think it may be the crashed plane. It's in line with the flight path.

EddyTheDog

Just watching that now - I'm almost disappointed - There was a 0.001% chance that the people were still alive and would have an amazing story to tell...

I expect this is it - Leave it to the Chinese to ruin a good conspiracy.....

mineistaken

So what about that thing of plane changing its course?

1215

hijackers will blame the programmer.

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mineistaken

shut the fuck up

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EddyTheDog

The Chinese were wrong as well - Back to square one...

mrpornoporn

strange thing of course

DWB

Turns out they were wrong.

The Malaysian military now says they didn't say they tracked it further.

This is turning into a bit of a cluster fuck.

_Richard_

http://worldtruth.tv/missing-malaysi...-not-answered/

several people are reporting being able to get through to cell phones

TheDA

News that's a few days old again but I haven't seen this it answered yet, what would normally happen to each of the 19 phones in that part of the world, with the respective carriers if someone phoned them? Should you get a ringing tone or a message or what?

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_Richard_

the days old news was just one family, that article is now reporting several

it says 'getting through'.. so vm? ringing?

mineistaken

Does not sound like reputable source judging from other news they have.

TheDA

Over here they reported 19 families, 60 hours or so ago. Different carriers and roaming services no doubt handle the calls differently.

I know that when I am in the UK and my phone is out of battery the caller doesn't get a ring tone but if I am in Europe it will ring, which is only the roaming service or carrier trying to connect.

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TheSquealer

Nothing happens. The ringing is the network searching for the phone. It doesn't mean the phone itself is ringing. This has been discussed extensively in the news, yet people who want to believe in retarded conspiracy theories continue to attempt to add some meaning to it.

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