Preident Bill Clinton scored much lower on the SAT

[theking]

...than President George W Bush. Who would have thunk it?

According to this website anyhow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...regrading.html

[EddyTheDog]

I wonder what happened?..

Some sort of head injury perhaps.....

[deltav]

What is it with people posting the Daily Mail as like actual credible journalism lately? It's a POS tabloid.

I have a hard time believing Clinton got a 1020. That's pretty crap and I doubt would even be good enough to get him into Georgetown, which is where he went for his undergrad. And he was also a fucking Rhodes Scholar, which is one of the most prestigious academic awards out there.

[theking]

Originally Posted by deltav

What is it with people posting the Daily Mail as like actual credible journalism lately? It's a POS tabloid.

I have a hard time believing Clinton got a 1020. That's pretty crap and I doubt would even be good enough to get him into Georgetown, which is where he went for his undergrad. And he was also a fucking Rhodes Scholar, which is one of the most prestigious academic awards out there.

I certainly am not implying that it is credible...that is why I posted a qualifier.

[Vendzilla]

Remember people, there is a big difference between being smart and being educated.

And Imagination is more important than intelligence.......

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Remember people, there is a big difference between being smart and being educated.

And Imagination is more important than intelligence.......

I tend to lean towards...if you are smart you will get an education.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by theking

I tend to lean towards...if you are smart you will get an education.

I think the point is that it is very common that intelligent people score less on tests like these. For variosu reasons, some are lazy, some do not dedicate any time to prepare for it and so on. Or sometimes you can get unlucky in tests like these.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

I tend to lean towards...if you are smart you will get an education.

Not everyone can. I have some college, but my sister has a masters and my daughter is about to get her bachelors.
I just never had the time.

[theking]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I think the point is that it is very common that intelligent people score less on tests like these. For variosu reasons, some are lazy, some do not dedicate any time to prepare for it and so on. Or sometimes you can get unlucky in tests like these.

If intelligent people do not prepare for their SAT...I would say that is an indication that though they have a reasonably high IQ/intelligence...they do not have very good common sense/are not very smart.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Not everyone can. I have some college, but my sister has a masters and my daughter is about to get her bachelors.
I just never had the time.

You had the time...but didn't have the desire/will.

[ilnjscb]

I've seen them both in person - Clinton is like an alien, he's that intelligent, Bush is a like the canny rich boy.

[WDF]

Yes let us compare 2 former presidents that can never be elected to the office again.

Bill Clinton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

A Rhodes Scholar from a neither influential or affluent household.

to

George W Bush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

A rich frat boy with a bought and paid for Ivy League degree from 2 schools with the influence of both his grandfather and father.

Now Post away......

[theking]

Originally Posted by WDF

Yes let us compare 2 former presidents that can never be elected to the office again.

Bill Clinton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

A Rhodes Scholar from a neither influential or affluent household.

to

George W Bush:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

A rich frat boy with a bought and paid for Ivy League degree from 2 schools with the influence of both his grandfather and father.

Now Post away......

Influence may have helped him get into the two schools but it was he that had to put the time in to get through his classes...just as it was he that had to put the time in to qualify as a fighter pilot...which is not an easy thing to accomplish...academically or physically.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by theking

If intelligent people do not prepare for their SAT...I would say that is an indication that though they have a reasonably high IQ/intelligence...they do not have very good common sense/are not very smart.

you really are the dumbest cunt on here, congratulations

[Babaganoosh]

How did you score, champ?

[slavdogg]

How did Obama score ?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

You had the time...but didn't have the desire/will.

No, I didn't. I had a very busy life up till my 40's. I worked two jobs most of the time and still made time for my family. When I hit 40 I took some classes, but found that I need to learn mainly on my own, which I do continually.

[theking]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

How did Obama score ?

I don't think anyone knows as it is reported that he has had his education records sealed.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

I don't think anyone knows as it is reported that he has had his education records sealed.

They do that for every president, have been doing it for years.

I'm surprised the GOP didn't vet him during the election better

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

They do that for every president, have been doing it for years.

I'm surprised the GOP didn't vet him during the election better

Do you know why?

[AmeliaG]

Those scores seem implausibly low for where Bush and Clinton went to school.

I don't think those are disclosed, just because someone is president, so I'd need to see a credibly source to believe it. If it were true, I'd want to know how the heck they got into Yale and Georgetown.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by deltav

What is it with people posting the Daily Mail as like actual credible journalism lately? It's a POS tabloid.

I have a hard time believing Clinton got a 1020. That's pretty crap and I doubt would even be good enough to get him into Georgetown, which is where he went for his undergrad. And he was also a fucking Rhodes Scholar, which is one of the most prestigious academic awards out there.

Ha, ha, I didn't need to post because you did. Yeah, those numbers sound suspect.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Not everyone can. I have some college, but my sister has a masters and my daughter is about to get her bachelors.
I just never had the time.

he said 'if you are smart'

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by nico-t

he said 'if you are smart'

I guess hooked on Phonics failed on you because of your lack of reading comprehension

So what does the T stand for, Tranny? Not that I have a problem with them, just want to know what or who is UP YOUR ASS?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Those scores seem implausibly low for where Bush and Clinton went to school.

I don't think those are disclosed, just because someone is president, so I'd need to see a credibly source to believe it. If it were true, I'd want to know how the heck they got into Yale and Georgetown.

Here Amelia, read this
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-Scores-Grades

Only 450 students applied to transfer to Columbia in 1981 and sixty-seven were admitted, according to the Columbia Spectator, compared to 650 applicants just four years before.
If Obama?s SAT scores were near the average of the transfer students entering Columbia in the fall of 1981, he would have scored significantly lower than George W. Bush, whose combined math and verbal scores were 1206 out of a possible 1600 points (as revealed by the New Yorker in 1999).
In his autobiography, Dreams from My Father, Barack Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother scolded him for being a "loafer" (142). He describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ?indifferent? (146), calling himself a ?bum? who abused drugs (138) and who was notorious for partying all weekend (165).
That has raised questions about how Obama earned a place at Columbia in 1981, paving the way to Harvard Law and beyond. Indeed, like much else in his biography, Obama seems to have fictionalized the process through which he gained admission to Columbia. Obama writes in Dreams: "[W]hen I heard about a transfer program that Occidental had arranged with Columbia University, I?d been quick to apply"(172).
However, there is no record of such a "transfer program" existing at either Columbia or Occidental.
Breitbart News spoke to an official source at the Registrar?s Office of Occidental College, who confirmed that there has only been one transfer program between Occidental and Columbia--one that fed students into Columbia?s School of Engineering and Applied Science (known today as the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science).
Obama, who was not an engineering student, would not have been eligible for that program.
The official also pulled Occidental?s records between 1970 and 1990, and found no transfer program with any other Columbia University program.
In addition, Breitbart News spoke with Phil Boerner, who transferred to Columbia from Occidental in 1981, and graduated from Columbia in 1984. He was Obama?s roommate in New York, and is one of the few Columbia students to recall Obama. Boerner, speaking by telephone, denied there was a ?transfer program.?
?You can transfer colleges at any time,? Boerner said, emphasizing that he was not speaking for Obama. ?There was no formal arrangement between the two schools.?
It is possible that Obama benefited from Columbia?s affirmative action program, which the university had recently defended in an amicus curie brief to the Supreme Court in the celebrated Bakke case (1977). Columbia joined several other elite universities in defending the use of race as a factor in college admissions. The brief had argued that ?minority status must be considered independently of economic or cultural deprivation.?
Given that 1981 turned out to be a relatively easy year to enter Columbia as a transfer student, and the fact that Obama was applying as a transfer student from a private college in California, as well as a minority student, Obama likely would have stood out among applicants, regardless of his scores and grades.
Yet because Obama has never released his academic records, it is impossible to know whether he would have qualified for admission as a first-year student or in a typical transfer year.
The only way to know is for Obama to release his records, transcripts and test scores--from Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard. Why Obama has not done so remains a mystery--unless he has something else to hide.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

Do you know why?

I did a little research on this and they are not really sealed, they are just private and unless Obama releases them, they can not release them from the colleges.

Well so much for a transparent administration

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I did a little research on this and they are not really sealed, they are just private and unless Obama releases them, they can not release them from the colleges.

Well so much for a transparent administration

I am no fan of the ACA, but I don't see why anyone should be obliged to release private information. I don't really agree with public officials having to release their tax data either.

Do you want to know my SAT scores? Should I need to know yours or hear a satisfactory explanation for why you didn't take the SAT if you didn't?

If we do not allow our leaders to have any privacy, is it really any surprise when they do not respect the privacy of the citizens?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I am no fan of the ACA, but I don't see why anyone should be obliged to release private information. I don't really agree with public officials having to release their tax data either.

Do you want to know my SAT scores? Should I need to know yours or hear a satisfactory explanation for why you didn't take the SAT if you didn't?

If we do not allow our leaders to have any privacy, is it really any surprise when they do not respect the privacy of the citizens?

Yeah, the democrats hammer Romney for his tax records, which he did finally give up.

And for the record, I don't think anyone in the government has any respect for the privacy of it's citizens given the latest developments with the NSA and their warrant to Verizon that gave them all their records, not asking for any names.

[Robbie]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that G.W. Bush is a very smart guy. Way smarter than all the geniuses on GFY who have never done 1/100000 of the things he has done.

But I can say for certain that Bill Clinton is definitely the smartest President we've had in my lifetime (and that includes JFK)

[marcop]

Originally Posted by WDF

Yes let us compare 2 former presidents that can never be elected to the office again.

It's possible thought that Bill Clinton will be residing in the White House again sometime in the not-too-distant future.