Russia demands Ukraine pay back $11 billion

[brassmonkey]

Moscow (AFP) - Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on Friday demanded Ukraine pay back $11 billion that he said Kiev had saved through discounted gas prices in return for hosting a Russian naval base in Crimea.

Ukraine owes the money because Crimea is now part of Russia and the two countries' 2010 lease agreement was now "subject to annulment," Medvedev said at a meeting of the Security Council.

"The Ukrainian state saved some $11 billion dollars and accordingly the Russian budget has a missed profit of the same $11 billion," he warned.

Soon after coming to power in 2010, then president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, agreed to extend the lease on Russia's Black Sea fleet in Crimea that was due to expire in 2017 for 25 years, until 2042.

In return, Moscow agreed to cut natural gas prices for Ukraine by $100 for every 1,000 cubic metres.

According to Moscow, Ukraine has been receiving the discount since 2010 even though the new lease agreement was not to enter force before 2017.

This week Russia officially made Crimea part of its territory despite condemnation from Kiev authorities and the West.

Medvedev, who signed off on the agreement with Yanukovych in his capacity as president in 2010, said it would be "absolutely legitimate" to seek the return of the money through courts even though he acknowledged such measures would be "tough".

He put Ukraine's total debt to Russia at $16 billion.

"I believe that we cannot lose such money taking into account the fact that our budget is also struggling," Medvedev said in comments released by the Kremlin.

Ties between Moscow and Kiev plunged to unprecedented lows after the Kremlin sent troops to Crimea following a popular uprising that ousted Yanukovych last month.

Washington introduced sanctions against Putin's close allies and urged Moscow to reconsider its takeover of Crimea.

Kommersant business daily reported earlier Friday that if the fleet agreement was annulled, Ukraine would end up paying up to $480 per 1,000 cubic metres for natural gas, the highest price of any of gas giant Gazprom's clients in Europe.

The expected gas price hike will deal a huge blow to Ukraine's struggling economy and is likely to exacerbate the raging political crisis.

End-of-the-year haggling over energy prices has become a familiar problem in bilateral ties, with Russia repeatedly cutting gas supplies to Ukraine and Europe over the past few years.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-demands...000927311.html

[Rochard]

If they discounted the cost of the gas, why are they trying to charge them for it?

[Rochard]

I get it now. Russia can now invade Ukraine because of this $11 billion. Smart.

[pornmasta]

I'm pretty sure that europe is gonna lend them the money.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I get it now. Russia can now invade Ukraine because of this $11 billion. Smart.

[pornmasta]

where is RUchard ?

[CAHEK]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

I'm pretty sure that europe is gonna lend them the money.

Sure they can lend money but instead they want 10-25% of all ukraine people bank deposit's + pension money as well in return.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

where is RUchard ?

LMFAO!!!!!


So who is trying to destabilize the region now?

Of course it is the West if you listen to the Putin Propaganda Patrol!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by WDF

LMFAO!!!!!


So who is trying to destabilize the region now?

Of course it is the West if you listen to the Putin Propaganda Patrol!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/exposed...ge-ngo/5370072

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debora...b_4781793.html

but hey

freedom!

[mineistaken]

What kind of dumb logic is that? Ok no gas dicounts from now on, but Ukraine already "paid" for those past dicounts by Crimea base.
Dumb Putler.

[pornmasta]

I hope that the winter is warm in crimea, this war is gonna suck

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

I hope that the winter is warm in crimea, this war is gonna suck

[EddyTheDog]

If Moscow is that badly off its a shame Putin spunked 55 Billion on a crappy Olympics then lost all that goodwill a week later by screwing Ukraine...

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

If Moscow is that badly off its a shame Putin spunked 55 Billion on a crappy Olympics then lost all that goodwill a week later by screwing Ukraine...

honnestly i don't see why it is good on a communication point of view to look like hitler, it's another thing that indicates that it is manipulated by west countries...

[WDF]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Sure they can lend money but instead they want 10-25% of all ukraine people bank deposit's + pension money as well in return.

Are you quoting some facts or just more PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) rhetoric?

Did you pull that crap out of your anus or did it come from someone else's ass?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by WDF

Are you quoting some facts or just more PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) rhetoric?

Did you pull that crap out of your anus or did it come from someone else's ass?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/austeri...-begun/5372274

http://www.imf.org/external/country/UKR/INDEX.htm

all there, homeslice

we need to cut seniors pensions in half to pay for all that freedom we brought them

[seeandsee]

they got fucked by ukraine via proeu force, and now they want payback

[pornmasta]

If Damian Jennings goes in crimea, he is gonna throw fireballs and putin will be banned in another dimension

[WDF]

I did not know there was a Vancouver Canada branch of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol).

That Canadian company must be so proud to have those Russian Trading Partners.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Putin's plan was to get the EU to give aid to Ukraine so the Russian oligarchs would get their debts from Ukraine (Gas and Oil) paid.

The EU got played again .

https://www.google.com/search?q=EU+f...aid+to+Ukraine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%...e_gas_disputes

03-06-2014, 02:21 PM

So damned predictable ...

Now let's see how this plays out.

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

honnestly i don't see why it is good on a communication point of view to look like hitler

It wins you awards and stuff

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

So damned predictable ...

Now let's see how this plays out.

the russians have always been rather fond of chess-politics

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by oppoten

It wins you awards and stuff

talk about some bullshit

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by WDF

I did not know there was a Vancouver Canada branch of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol).

That Canadian company must be so proud to have those Russian Trading Partners.

Voltaire to fascism.. you definitely are multi-faceted

I prefer Orwell:

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

[WDF]

There is and always will be a difference between telling the truth and distorting it.

The bulk of your quoted article was written in 2013 or before.

Gee that was before the current sitting president of the Ukraine took office.

Quite "Revolutionary" of you to distort the truth to try and make something already going to happen with the old government into some evil western plot.

Typical for the Putin Propaganda Patrol, R U sure you are not a comrade?

I know you are just not a big enough man to come out and say you do not like me.

You did prove that you say things that you have no intention of following through on though.

Did you forget how to use the ignore feature here?

Did you forget you stated you were going to ignore me?

Just more proof you talk out something other then your pie hole.

You do realize that CA is the country abbreviation for Canada not Communist America, I hope comrade.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

http://www.globalresearch.ca/exposed...ge-ngo/5370072

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/debora...b_4781793.html

but hey

freedom!

Nice Soros Proaganda post

Originally Posted by _Richard_

http://www.globalresearch.ca/austeri...-begun/5372274

http://www.imf.org/external/country/UKR/INDEX.htm

we need to cut seniors pensions in half to pay for all that freedom we brought them

We? You are a socialist living in a heavily Socialist country. What do you know about true freedom?

[WDF]

He believes he is an expert on democracy, yet he appears here as a member of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol).

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

What kind of dumb logic is that? Ok no gas dicounts from now on, but Ukraine already "paid" for those past dicounts by Crimea base.
Dumb Putler.

Read the article : the deal was to start as of 2017 . Seems Russia gave the discount ahead of time ...

They gave it, they should forget about it and start charging the undiscounted rate from today ...

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

American taxpayers will pay for new friends from Ukraina, I think

Originally Posted by oppoten

[brassmonkey]

the hitler shit is way off base

[WDF]

Hey another member of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) found this thread.

You would think they could come up with their own material that was actually believable some where other then the motherland though.


XFS Pro the most popular File locker platform for rogue file lockers is a product of Russia. I wonder if they are proud of that and the fact that a countryman has caused piracy losses to non-Russian content producers.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I get it now. Russia can now invade Ukraine because of this $11 billion. Smart.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I get it now. Russia can now invade Ukraine because of this $11 billion. Smart.

it cost to invade not going to happen. you think china will invade? usa owes more

[freecartoonporn]

i like this million and billion wording threads.

[Antonio]

A month ago this would have been perfectly legitimate claim, today I'm not so sure.

Hey, we just made our country biggers and yours smaller ... and btw, remember the money you owe us? We want them back.

[CAHEK]

Originally Posted by WDF

Are you quoting some facts or just more PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) rhetoric?

Did you pull that crap out of your anus or did it come from someone else's ass?

Do you remember Greece, Cyprus ? You think they will give out money for free ? No, there is always a price to pay.

For receiving a $13 billion (10 billion euro) bailout package for Cyprus.They take deposits by 47.5 percent from two largest banks.

[WDF]

Almost the Entire PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) is here now.

When was the last time you got a loan and were not required to pay it back?

You do understand the meaning of the word "loan" versus the word "gift", don't you?

I know English is not your native language but if you are going to participate in English Language conversation you should learn the language and the definitions of the words.

I see your Putin and company demanding repayment of loans why should the west expect any less. Are you saying that Russia is the only country that can expect repayment?

Keep talking, just like Emma you will back yourself into a corner with your own words.

[evy97]

Subsidy to Ukraine, 1991-present
EU: $20 billion
Russia: $200-$300 billion

Four Uncomfortable Truths About Ukraine

1. Many of the new leaders helped shape policies that turned Ukraine into an economic basket case.
Yatsenyuk, Turchynov, Finance Minister Oleksandr Shlapak, and others in the interim government served in key roles under former President Viktor Yushchenko and former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. Their post-Orange Revolution regime prolonged the country?s disastrous track record on economic management.

Like their post-Soviet predecessors, they failed to curb rampant corruption and tackle economic inefficiency, while propping up the hryvnia currency and doling out crowd-pleasing increases in social spending, leaving the state with massive budgetary and trade deficits. Ukraine, a country of 45 million people with rich agricultural land and a large industrial base, is now Eastern Europe?s poorest country, apart from tiny Moldova.

2. Ukraine has squandered a staggering amount of foreign aid.
The EU has provided Ukraine with ?13.8 billion ($19.1 billion) in grants and loans since 1991. Aid from the International Monetary Fund, and from individual governments that include the U.S., pushes the total well over $30 billion. On top of that, Ukraine has received massive aid from Russia in the form of discounted natural gas?a subsidy totaling $200 billion to $300 billion since 1991, says Emily Holland, a specialist on energy policy in the region who is a visiting fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. Add it all up, and Ukraine has gotten far more aid than any country in the former Soviet Union, she says. And where has it gone? ?Into the pockets of an incredibly corrupt political elite and oligarchs,? says Holland. The EU and IMF say that any new assistance will be conditioned on strict adherence to a reform program. But a previous IMF bailout was derailed after Ukraine failed to follow through with reforms. As for the oligarchs? The new regime has appointed some of them to key regional government posts in eastern Ukraine.

[crockett]

Are Russians really this dumb? It was their actions which caused the end of the contract not Ukraine's..

[brassmonkey]

[GregE]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the hitler shit is way off base

No shit. Whenever the people on both ends of a dispute are compared to Hitler, you can bet the house that the actual dispute is a hell of a lot more complicated than any of the players would have us believe.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by WDF

Almost the Entire PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) is here now.

When was the last time you got a loan and were not required to pay it back?

You do understand the meaning of the word "loan" versus the word "gift", don't you?

I know English is not your native language but if you are going to participate in English Language conversation you should learn the language and the definitions of the words.

I see your Putin and company demanding repayment of loans why should the west expect any less. Are you saying that Russia is the only country that can expect repayment?

Keep talking, just like Emma you will back yourself into a corner with your own words.

WOW !!! what an arrogant prick

[evy97]

Do not worry about the money, they are already working on this. Meanwhile in Kiev the new government sends thugs to shops to collect bribes.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by crockett

Are Russians really this dumb? It was their actions which caused the end of the contract not Ukraine's..

If it wasn't so fucked up it would be funny...

[CAHEK]

Meanwhile in Kiev Harper's visit to Kyiv ? where he will meet with Ukraine's Interim Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk

[WDF]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

WOW !!! what an arrogant prick

Thank You!

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by WDF

I did not know there was a Vancouver Canada branch of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol).

That Canadian company must be so proud to have those Russian Trading Partners.

Wood. The only word is "wood". Unites Russia and now Canada. And I didn't mean forest wood, but a boner.

[WDF]

Originally Posted by evy97

Do not worry about the money, they are already working on this. Meanwhile in Kiev the new government sends thugs to shops to collect bribes.

That's ok because Russia sent troops to annex Crimea by force.

Originally Posted by Emma

While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.

Your own Comrades words.

[CAHEK]

[QUOTE=WDF;20024112]That's ok because Russia sent troops to annex Crimea by force.

Russia should get a another noble prize for that. Take over Crimea with out any casualties is quiet impressive. They don't care what you or other people think.