Do You Let Tube Sites Go Into Your Members Area To Get Your Videos? Why?

[The Porn Nerd]

Lately I've been getting some requests to allow tube sites Members Area access so they can go in, download and edit what they want, then upload them to their tubes. Why would anyone allow this? They (the tubes) say it's because they would prefer to cut their own videos, saying how 'typical' promo videos do not get as many views/sales.

Why would anyone allow this practice? Is it worthwhile to allow tubes Members Area access and allow them to basically do whatever they want with your content?

[Manfap]

All the tubes have the same promoclips. If you set some rules re length, then it could be a good idea.
Someone may not like your promo, but do like the way that tube edited a vid.

[eodiv]

Maybe the tube sites are just trying to cut out the middle man and "legitimize" themselves in the process. Ie - uploading full or almost full scenes directly themselves instead of relying on users to do it. Maybe it also makes them look a bit better in that they can say "we had permission to do this!" instead of "our site is full of videos uploaded by pirates."

[deltav]

I've noticed a few requesting this too. Usually the newer tubes it seems. I reply Hell Fucking No on principle mainly (producers/paysites should be in control of their creatives, save exceptions for select proven affiliates), but also because I know my niche better than them.

[NoWhErE]

I let them. You just gotta make a note to yourself on the calendar to double check their work a few weeks down the road and make sure they are not abusing the uploads.

Truth is, if they wanted to steal your shit, they would just buy a membership and rip your content anyhow.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by deltav

I've noticed a few requesting this too. Usually the newer tubes it seems. I reply Hell Fucking No on principle mainly (producers/paysites should be in control of their creatives, save exceptions for select proven affiliates), but also because I know my niche better than them.

This has been my response as well but wanted to see what others were thinking on this issue. My operation has a full-time Editor and several full-time Uploaders who do the grunt work (based on my weekly instructions as per title, edit, descrip, keywords, etc). So the Uploaders are mainly data entry people BUT I get to control the data they enter.

Allowing tubes to do it all themselves seems a little crazy to me but what do I know? LOL

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Truth is, if they wanted to steal your shit, they would just buy a membership and rip your content anyhow.

This was also my thinking, which is why I started this thread (two competing thoughts). But it's not about piracy (you are 100% correct; ANY Member could rip a site etc) but more about controling the marketing. Also, I would think a large company like Crak Revenue would find the tubes doing it all one less thing for you to do whereas smaller companies like mine would have differant concerns.

[SmutHammer]

Fuck that, Give them 3 minute or less promo clips without cumshots. Let them pay for their own full length movies.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Truth is, if they wanted to steal your shit, they would just buy a membership and rip your content anyhow.

If they wanted?
How the fuck do you think the tubes got big?

Funny thing is if the tubes did not exist, you shit company wouldn't either.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Fuck that, Give them 3 minute or less promo clips without cumshots. Let them pay for their own full length movies.

If I was a producer, I'd tell 'em to

[dgraves]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Truth is, if they wanted to steal your shit, they would just buy a membership and rip your content anyhow.

True but it's cheaper when the site owner gives them access. That way the tube owner can cut up promo videos and use banners/links with their affiliate code to make money off the same sites they have been stealing from for years. They can also upload full-length clips under different so-called "users" to bring in traffic so they can sell garbage ads. What amazes me is how many site owners are going along with this. That tells you how desperate they are to make sales.

The tubes will eventually realize it was stupid to cut out the producer and affiliate. The system was working well and they fucked it up out of greed so it's just a matter of time before it bites them in the ass.

[dgraves]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Fuck that, Give them 3 minute or less promo clips without cumshots. Let them pay for their own full length movies.

Exactly. If a site can't sell a surfer with a short teaser clip then they should find something else to do with their time.

When was the last time anyone saw a 10 minute movie trailer on TV?

This industry is full of monkey see, monkey do.

[shunga]

I can't believe anyone would allow it. Of course tubes are going to edit your videos to satisfy themselves, and not your requirements. And that means giving surfers what they want, rather than selling to them. That just builds up numbers and exposure to their other ads. Take control of your advertising material and don't let others do it for you.

[jack-exploitedbabysitters]

At the end of the day the tube owner probably knows best what type of videos convert on his site, let them have at it and watch the results. Odds are your full length videos are floating for free on some other tubes without a link back.

[shunga]

The tube owner may see sponsor sales as a bonus - his income may come from other aspects of the site, with traffic numbers being the major reason for the videos to be there.

[ITraffic]

test it with one tube. see what happens.

[Klen]

That method is not just for tubes,it was used on MGP's as well to create custom galleries.I'v seen difference between standard fhg's and those custom and sales difference was hugeeeeeeeeeeeee.It seems the trick is about freshness of content.Plus could be because usually affiliates have better sense to create promo material then sponsors.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

That method is not just for tubes,it was used on MGP's as well to create custom galleries.I'v seen difference between standard fhg's and those custom and sales difference was hugeeeeeeeeeeeee.It seems the trick is about freshness of content.Plus could be because usually affiliates have better sense to create promo material then sponsors.

This was always a common practice for affiliates and depending on your content and tube partner, you might learn a thing or two in how they process your clips.

Let a select one try and if you like the results, carry on, if not, pull the plug.

I'll point to the success that Crak enjoys as an example of how a site may not be the best at selling itself -- sometimes others can do it better...

[SmutHammer]

Letting affiliates grab picture sets to make promo material and letting them grab videos is a major difference. I would guess anyone in here that supports the idea of letting tubes do this either owns or is working for the tube site.

[clickhappy]

I dont get this at all, there are full length videos all over tubes with NO WATERMARK. Why does anyone put anything out without a watermark on it?
At least get credit for your work and tell surfers where to go if they want to buy more.
Hell I think the Watermark should take up 15% of the screen and be placed near the center so it cant get cropped out.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Stephen

This was always a common practice for affiliates and depending on your content and tube partner, you might learn a thing or two in how they process your clips.

Let a select one try and if you like the results, carry on, if not, pull the plug.

I'll point to the success that Crak enjoys as an example of how a site may not be the best at selling itself -- sometimes others can do it better...

Usng a GIANT COMPANY like Crak as an example is ridiculous. They can AFFORD to (as Brazzers, BangBros et al can), what do they care? They have thousands of affiliates and a gazillion content. Reality Kings etc could throw full videos up on tubes all day long and still have 1000+ in their Mem Areas. So no, FAIL.

And this idea that "tubes know better what converts...." is fucking retarded, sorry. Anyone who thinks that is either a moron or has an agenda. I know how to promote MY content better than anyone, better than a tube site!

So okay: a tube "knows what's best" so they go into a Members Area and download whatever the fuck they want, right? okay - so now ALL your videos, edited and unedited (full vids), suddenly (magically!) appear all over the tubes, some with watermarks and banners but many without ("user uploaded" you see....). So how is this "better"? it's not. Oh - and how would the tubes edit/watermark a video better than me? Oh I dunno, maybe cut a 15 minute video from the Mem Area into a 14:30 clip?

Amazingly stupid. Sorry folks, no access. Take what I give you, work WITH me to customize the edits etc, but no one gets to do whatever the fuck they want with my content.

[Romainz]

If a affiliate take an entire video to his tube to promote or take 14:30 of 15min video sorry but that aint an affiliate lol the confusion is strong here. Dont mix up between an amateur who act as a affiliate who like to steal ur full contents to promote other shit on his site using ur stuff to someone who actually love what he does and he is an affiliate because he see himself being able to sell your product with you with trailers not that BS full lenght video. Just keep a eye on your affiliate u see some fishy stuff take the plug out. Oh and if you know better then all of your affs and you can do all the job by yourself then why have an aff progs in the first place ?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Romainz

If a affiliate take an entire video to his tube to promote or take 14:30 of 15min video sorry but that aint an affiliate lol the confusion is strong here. Dont mix up between an amateur who act as a affiliate who like to steal ur full contents to promote other shit on his site using ur stuff to someone who actually love what he does and he is an affiliate because he see himself being able to sell your product with you with trailers not that BS full lenght video. Just keep a eye on your affiliate u see some fishy stuff take the plug out. Oh and if you know better then all of your affs and you can do all the job by yourself then why have an aff progs in the first place ?

First, I didn't say i could do it all myself. Of course I need affiliates. But to think your average everyday affiliate with a tube site that gets 200 views per video "knows" how to promote my content better than I do is just plain wrong.

So how about one of those valuable affiliates you speak of? Well, if they're big and sending sales then chances are I'm uploading to them directly via my full-time Uploaders.

I have limited and extremely unique (and valuable) content. I have a full-time Editor who edits according to my instructions. After all, I've been cutting tube promo clips for four years now and have Tours specifically designed for tube traffic. Plus I work with ALL the "major" tubes. So I think I know what I'm doing (a little).

No, I think letting someone go into your Mem Area and do whatever they want with your content is idiotic.

[ITraffic]

why did you ask if you already had decided on the answer?

[DWB]

Nope. We cut our own and make them exactly how we want them to be. I don't trust some outsourced hack working for a tube site to do our content justice or even give two shits about how it is presented.

[venus]

I have been getting those emails also, I don't allow it

[venus]

wrong...we was here long before the "tubes"

Originally Posted by Tdash

Funny thing is if the tubes did not exist, you shit company wouldn't either.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by venus

wrong...we was here long before the "tubes"

No I was talking about all these ad networks like Crakrevenue, Juicyads etc.

[venus]

we don't rely on them for traffic either... 404, popups and redirects is not the best traffic. these places are also on lots of sites using pirated content....a couple weeks ago found 1000+ images from my site on a place that had juicy ads all over it... pieces of shit steal tons of stuff from sites then hope to use that to make money.... sites using google ads is even worse. ...thing is...the people running these types of sites are some of the same people who are on here.

Originally Posted by Tdash

No I was talking about all these ad networks like Crakrevenue, Juicyads etc.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

why did you ask if you already had decided on the answer?

Why do you come off like a fat feminine looking bitch, with a bright yellow shirt and a girl haircut?

Yup, the dude who was looking to sell his site in the other thread sure had you pegged right

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[ITraffic]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Why do you come off like a fat feminine looking bitch, with a bright yellow shirt and a girl haircut?

Yup, the dude who was looking to sell his site in the other thread sure had you pegged right

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any takers for joepusher.com yet?

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by ITraffic

any takers for joepusher.com yet?

To answer your question: I hadn't made up my mind entirely until I read through this thread. That sealed the deal for me, so to speak.

Oh - and don't ask about your cocksucker bullshit bullshit in MY thread. Go push somewhere else Joe.

[Roald]

We look at it case by case.

So yes we do allow it for certain parties.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Roald

We look at it case by case.

So yes we do allow it for certain parties.

But do you see measurable RESULTS?

[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

But do you see measurable RESULTS?

Yes and no, in the no case we take a look and try to improve things or we stop it and refer to our default videos.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Roald

Yes and no, in the no case we take a look and try to improve things or we stop it and refer to our default videos.

I did consider this before rejecting the idea. The problem (for me) is being able to track these uploads and judge the traffic from them. I didn't even hear back from the tubes who wanted to do this about banners and links under the videos. Apparently they're working off of watermarks alone so how do we judge that? Overall traffic rise and type-ins?

No, seems too scattershot to me. Maybe companies like Crak and Payserve have better tracking than I do. LOL

[TheSquealer]

These guys are no different than any other affiliate. People make retarded demands... because they know others do it. They ask for the world and give nothing in return. There are those who have their shit together (the tiny %) and those who don't... (the majority). The key is in learning to identify and work with those who really have their shit together... as it will benefit you and them greatly.

[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I did consider this before rejecting the idea. The problem (for me) is being able to track these uploads and judge the traffic from them. I didn't even hear back from the tubes who wanted to do this about banners and links under the videos. Apparently they're working off of watermarks alone so how do we judge that? Overall traffic rise and type-ins?

No, seems too scattershot to me. Maybe companies like Crak and Payserve have better tracking than I do. LOL

In the watermark case it's connected to an account. Easy tracking. Read into it a bit.

[Barry-xlovecam]

• Unique content
• Use of a sponsor's trade name and copyright
• SEO

[MMarko]

I guess this is sensible only for proven long term affiliates. Otherwise it's total nonsense.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by MMarko

I guess this is sensible only for proven long term affiliates. Otherwise it's total nonsense.

That is my current thinking, too. That, and/or larger companies with larger resources are willing to try it (and monitor it).

I'm still not convinced with the type-ins via watermarks Roald, even if it's tied to profiles. What I could find mentioned cookie tracking and IP addresses but that's a lot of work to find out if your video sent traffic. Plus what about people who use IP blockers or bookmark and come around a week later?

No, please give me banners and links. Watermarks-only I use with Tube Site Submitter but that's only to submit to the 'baby' tubes (less than 1k views per video). Most likely I am missing something here. LOL

[Jel]

why wouldn't you want to give your content to someone who needs it to:

get more returning visitors to sell ad spots
get more pages indexed to get more visitors to sell ad spots
get more visitors to see their inhouse cam/dating/non-member sites
get more pages indexed to get more visitors to their inhouse cam/dating/non-member sites
have more videos to reduce bounce rate to do all the above
get more people to register to interact with the other users ie hand over their email addys
build their inhouse mailing list to sell things that you can't get all over the tubes for free
'insert_bunch_of_other_monetization_methods_here'

and of course lastly and way down on the list of priorities/EPC for tube owners, send sales to your program

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honestly I am in awe of tubes/manwin for coming up with truly the greatest biz model porn has ever seen - it's absolute genius without a doubt. And no, there is no sarcasm there.

[deltav]

Originally Posted by Jel

why wouldn't you want to give your content to someone who needs it to:

get more returning visitors to sell ad spots
get more pages indexed to get more visitors to sell ad spots
get more visitors to see their inhouse cam/dating/non-member sites
get more pages indexed to get more visitors to their inhouse cam/dating/non-member sites
have more videos to reduce bounce rate to do all the above
get more people to register to interact with the other users ie hand over their email addys
build their inhouse mailing list to sell things that you can't get all over the tubes for free
'insert_bunch_of_other_monetization_methods_here'

and of course lastly and way down on the list of priorities/EPC for tube owners, send sales to your program

And therein lays the main issue - thinking that the tube site's motivation for displaying your content is the same as your own. I.e. that "they're successful when you're successful".

But as I said before, besides that IMO you should be in control of your own creatives aside from a few exceptions for trusted proven affiliates, which doesn't include some random tubesite you've never heard of before.

[PaperstreetWinston]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Fuck that, Give them 3 minute or less promo clips without cumshots. Let them pay for their own full length movies.

This is actually a good way to work with them, if they want longer and with the moneyshot included, they better provide more than just a tiny banner below the player. they'll have to throw in a pause banner, a 300x250 and possibly a footer in rotation but that might be too much already...

[Jel]

well there's still enough in it for the program owner to make a profit, so I'm not even bashing that side of it. Not as much as pre-tubes, obviously, and the only ones actually going out of business are affiliates, unless they game tubes or adapt in/to other areas.

As I said, I really do marvel at the big traffic tube owner biz model.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Jel

why wouldn't you want to give your content to someone who needs it to:

get more returning visitors to sell ad spots
get more pages indexed to get more visitors to sell ad spots
get more visitors to see their inhouse cam/dating/non-member sites
get more pages indexed to get more visitors to their inhouse cam/dating/non-member sites
have more videos to reduce bounce rate to do all the above
get more people to register to interact with the other users ie hand over their email addys
build their inhouse mailing list to sell things that you can't get all over the tubes for free
'insert_bunch_of_other_monetization_methods_here'

and of course lastly and way down on the list of priorities/EPC for tube owners, send sales to your program

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honestly I am in awe of tubes/manwin for coming up with truly the greatest biz model porn has ever seen - it's absolute genius without a doubt. And no, there is no sarcasm there.

I understand where you're coming from, I honestly do. I sometimes dream a little dream, wishing it were 2002 and I had gotten off my fat ass THEN (instead of 7 years later, when the party was almost over) and done what I did (or did what I done). But shit, sometimes I wish it were still 1973 and the music didn't suck cock...

Just kidding. But you're talking overall tube involvement, not letting them run amock in your Members Areas (as some want to do).

Originally Posted by PDeluxe

This is actually a good way to work with them, if they want longer and with the moneyshot included, they better provide more than just a tiny banner below the player. they'll have to throw in a pause banner, a 300x250 and possibly a footer in rotation but that might be too much already...

This is impossible with the "big tubes". At this point they don't need any single Sponser so demand too much and they'll ban your ass. You may be able to negotiate something like you suggest with the mid-to-up 'n coming tubes, if you can throw enough sales their way (or vice versa).

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

I let them. You just gotta make a note to yourself on the calendar to double check their work a few weeks down the road and make sure they are not abusing the uploads.

Truth is, if they wanted to steal your shit, they would just buy a membership and rip your content anyhow.

I take this approach as well.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by PDeluxe

This is actually a good way to work with them, if they want longer and with the moneyshot included, they better provide more than just a tiny banner below the player. they'll have to throw in a pause banner, a 300x250 and possibly a footer in rotation but that might be too much already...

Anything more than what I mentioned they better be paying you half od what they earn when your video is played.