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  • Magnetron
    Lord High Groundhog
    • Jun 2013
    • 1841

    #511
    Originally posted by TheSquealer
    Logic may dictate... however the math does not. 95% of webmasters here do not have enough statistically significant data to draw mathematically reliable conclusions about anything at 100%, much less 10%.

    The vast majority of "i'm being shaved" in this industry has always been in the end, the admission that "i don't understand statistics, standard deviation and statistical norms"... and never take into account any other multitude of factors which impact sales negatively.
    He says after shaving my entire post into a snippet.

    Originally posted by Magnetron
    Then quit pissing.

    I got an idea.

    Run some quality traffic from multiple sources through a well designed low volume site for a month.

    Then, throttle that traffic down to 10% for the following month.

    Logic dictates that it will make only 10% of the sales it was accustomed to in the first month.

    Right?

    This is what I originally said, just restated from another angle.

    Right?

    Now, you can throw in your 'variables' as to why it will earn less or more than 10% in the second month.

    As long as the traffic from EACH individual source was throttled down to 10%, there shouldn't be any variables.

    Right?

    Of course not ..... because you want to pigeonhole a simple logical equation.
    .
    Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
    and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
    While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
    with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
    you stood for
    ever before the window saying
    nothing

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    • Relentless
      www.EngineFood.com
      • Aug 2006
      • 5697

      #512
      Originally posted by fuzebox
      One of the best posts in this thread
      Thanks.

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      • DWB
        Registered User
        • Jul 2003
        • 31779

        #513
        All this thread is missing is Paul Markham.

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        • Magnetron
          Lord High Groundhog
          • Jun 2013
          • 1841

          #514
          Originally posted by TheSquealer
          Logic may dictate... however the math does not. 95% of webmasters here do not have enough statistically significant data to draw mathematically reliable conclusions about anything at 100%, much less 10%.

          The vast majority of "i'm being shaved" in this industry has always been in the end, the admission that "i don't understand statistics, standard deviation and statistical norms"... and never take into account any other multitude of factors which impact sales negatively. Anyone here would have a hell of a time finding someone doing volume that claimed they were being screwed. Of course its happened... but not very often.

          "shaving" began as payouts began to rise from 29.00 to 39.00 to 45.00 to 60.00 per sale etc. Ron Levi was the first to announce he was bowing out of that race to the bottom and that was quite a few years ago - Close to 10. MP3 Was built with a shave feature in it which that fucking idiot was spamming on this board and touting as a great feature. However, in todays age of cross sells, better content/unique content, interconnected networks (access to all sites), upsells etc, there is zero need to shave anyone. It's just a word people love to use to externalize failure and a habit which teaches them absolutely nothing about how to move forward and grow.
          Now, quoting your entire post, because you added to it .......

          You do realize that nowhere in this topic have I advocated that TeenCat was intentionally shaved?
          .
          Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
          and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
          While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
          with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
          you stood for
          ever before the window saying
          nothing

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          • Magnetron
            Lord High Groundhog
            • Jun 2013
            • 1841

            #515
            Originally posted by DWB
            All this thread is missing is Paul Markham.
            I'm sure he is reading for a choice snippet to repost out of context at the NOThole.
            .
            Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
            and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
            While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
            with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
            you stood for
            ever before the window saying
            nothing

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            • lucas131
              ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
              • Aug 2004
              • 11475

              #516
              Originally posted by DWB
              All this thread is missing is Paul Markham.

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              • mineistaken
                See signature :)
                • Apr 2007
                • 29656

                #517
                Originally posted by DamianJ
                So he *claimed*. But with his history of restraining orders, fraud, stealing content and scamming people, and licking skulls in a wedding dress I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he thought 14 year olds are sexy.

                I wouldn't be defending someone like that if I were you.
                I am not defending anyone, merely saying that you deliberately tried to sound as bad as possible towards him. I remember this story and at the beginning many people assumed that he straight up said "I find 14 year old girls sexy". That was the way you implied, at least people reading your posts understood it in a similar way. While the situation was not exactly that.
                Just

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                • mineistaken
                  See signature :)
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 29656

                  #518
                  Originally posted by Robbie
                  Isn't that the point of a "test join"? To see if your account is credited when a sale is made?
                  Indeed, fine sire

                  At first some people tried to destroy teencat's work by saying that shaving does not matter, only earning per clicks. Now there is additional layer of trying to destroy teencat's work and reputation by saying that test joins = fraud joins.

                  And the most interesting thing is that not sponsors, but fellow affiliates (?) are back stabbing teencat... Sad.
                  Last edited by mineistaken; 04-16-2014, 03:25 PM.

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                  • fuzebox
                    making it rain
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 22351

                    #519
                    Great read about statistics and ratios: http://buildinganempire.com/poisson2.html

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                    • Magnetron
                      Lord High Groundhog
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 1841

                      #520
                      I did some test joins a few years back and CCBill dropped the ball in tracking a sale that Met-Art acknowledged was made from my site with the subscription ID I received.

                      CCBill is not infallible.

                      Especially on days it has database malfunctions that allow affiliates to access the accounts of sponsors.
                      .
                      Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
                      and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
                      While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
                      with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
                      you stood for
                      ever before the window saying
                      nothing

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                      • Colmike9
                        (>^_^)b
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 7230

                        #521
                        Originally posted by mineistaken
                        Indeed, fine sire

                        At first some people tried to destroy teencat's work by saying that shaving does not matter, only earning per clicks. Now there is additional layer of trying to destroy teencat's work and reputation by saying that test joins = fraud joins.

                        And the most interesting thing is that not sponsors, but fellow affiliates (?) are back stabbing teencat... Sad.


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                        • Relentless
                          www.EngineFood.com
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 5697

                          #522
                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                          backstabbing teencat... Sad.
                          Backstabbing implies doing something deceitful. Nobody in this thread backstabbed Teencat. I made a very sound logical argument as to why what he is doing is nonsense and why I do not agree with his flawed analysis. Others have said that small affiliates are no longer viable (something I don't agree with) but clearly something they truly and publicly believe.

                          In every case, people have been very honest about how they each feel. You clearly do not understand what Backstabbing is, which is not surprising based on the fact that you also clearly don't know what Shaving is either. This thread has nothing to do with deceit and everything to do with cost / benefit analysis - on both the program owner and affiliate level.


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                          • mopek1
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 3189

                            #523
                            Originally posted by looky_lou
                            Bravo! Some of those Bros are really showing their true colors in this thread.

                            Why should the Bros be concerned with programs going "private" and closing to the public? Small affiliates are not needed anyway and generally just a pain in the ass, right?

                            It was just a small error that only effected a few affiliates for a few days, right? But what if it was not caught and left that way for the next year? That might buy a nice round of drinks for the Bros at a show.
                            I know!

                            If we suck so much why do they bother replying to us? If we are insignificant compared to them then it doesn't make sense that they are here at all. Especially going at it as hard as they are ....

                            I smell fear.

                            ..

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                            • The Porn Nerd
                              Living The Dream
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 19784

                              #524
                              Originally posted by DamianJ
                              Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

                              "Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd View Post
                              PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. "

                              So I assumed you'd be happy with Teencat with his 2 joins a month doing that to you. Sorry if I misread it.

                              I think it has soiled Teencat's reputation as someone that doesn't understand that his 2 sales a month, libel, constant bitching and fraud are not worth the hassle he causes.

                              When you've been running you programme a little longer, you'll hopefully realise it is miles cheaper to move traffic generation in-house than to pay 50% out to little dicks that cause you hassle, damage your reputation, commit fraud and libel you.

                              I get it, when you're new, it's hard to find the money to outlay on in house staff. You want to keep lean and agile and I get that.

                              I give you a year before you are employing people solely to do the 'jobs' affiliates do and make your programme invite only.

                              You shoot good content, you seem a lovely chap, but just move it in house. Dealing with the minnows is pointless.
                              I agree with you and with JT in terms of not wanting to deal with small-time affiliates causing trouble (in their eyes). My problem is with HOW this is being handled. I mean, who's the bigger man here and why would a Program Owner of JT's size even bother with such nonsense if he feels it is so? Either way you certainly do not come on GFY and go apeshit.

                              For however many of you (myself included) who hated the lame responses from CCBill anytime they were questioned (about anything), the company's "All is fine, there is nothing wrong" response was, in the end, the correct one.


                              Originally posted by Jel
                              bolded quote: the way he repeatedly asked for an email, account details? At some point you say: fuck this, it isn't worth the hassle/ROI. Like you just said, you agree with many of JT's points - anyone with half a brain in this thread does. But the idiots keep jumping in, joining in with the accusations, and most of them never having sent a click to his sites in the first place. So now he is pissed off, and rightly so, but has to keep going, being nice, diplomatic, etc?

                              On a board with a bunch of part timers? That stopped being a real biz board years ago? You can't please all of the people all of the time, and at some point you have to do what you feel is best, in all areas - saying 'fuck this' at whatever point that is, is now somehow the most OMG moment ever? His fucking *manners*, in a trash talk thread, with ZERO direct communication EVER from the 'wronged' affiliate, slating his biz, calling him a cheater, preserved for ever with the actual facts lost somewhere on about page 6 which no fucker reading the thread from scratch is gonna get to, is now the issue?

                              Get real mate If I did all that shit with you, you'd still be the diplomat after 6 weeks, multiple threads, and zero communication from me? I don't think anyone would, and I certainly wouldn't blame them for letting off some well-deserved steam
                              Again i am agreeing with you Jel. LOL I agree - blow off some steam, go fuck a Czech chick or three, eat a donut. Relax. FREAKING OUT and threatening to ban affiliates, taking your program private, lashing out at posts....chill the fuck out.

                              This thread has obviously gotten a fuckload of views so, in this heated environment, time to take a chill pill and realize you are actually posting for others to see, not the person you're mad at.

                              (I think JT has wisely done this and kept quiet for awhile. Hopefully he's balls deep in Svetlana Fuckmyasska by now.)
                              Last edited by The Porn Nerd; 04-16-2014, 03:52 PM.
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                              • mopek1
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 3189

                                #525
                                Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                If someone did a test join with their own card and didn't report it after their test was completed how is that not fraud? Please explain.
                                If it is revshare as signupdammit suggested then that wouldn't be fraud.

                                The program owner would get 70% and the affiliate 30%

                                EDIT: Sorry ... I see signupdammit already answered the question.
                                Last edited by mopek1; 04-16-2014, 03:48 PM.

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