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thank you for great answer, anybody else please? oh yeah, now i got it, you are maybe talking about trials and pps ... ok, i am not in that game, so sorry and lol
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What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?webmaster at pimproll dot comComment
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LOL Okay man you are ON THE LIST. haha!
(I was speaking of public GFY impressions, not "real life". Many I have met from GFY in real life are sweethearts who just come across as cunts on message boards.)
PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. Business is business. Leave the emotions out of it (advice I myself am trying hard to take. LOL)Last edited by The Porn Nerd; 04-16-2014, 11:14 AM.My Affiliate Programs:
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douche bag, I know you by your actions. your inability to see the problem with screaming "shave" over a glitch in processing is what makes you part of the rabble. now you may be hero of the rabble but rabble you are.
And please save the nonsense about reputation. We all have fantastic reputations with those who matter. The rest of you really do not matter. tough to hear, I know, Herr cunt.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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If you read my reply to him again you will probably see that I was very careful to specify revshare only. The only way a revshare test signup can be fraud is if the person doing the test signup charges back or gets a refund after the affiliate has been paid out and then stops sending traffic. In fact the sponsor should be happy for a revshare test signup where a refund isn't sought because it's basically free money.
You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.
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happy hour is fast approaching and I have a piece of art to hang in my office, I bid you all adieuI'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?douche bag, I know you by your actions. your inability to see the problem with screaming "shave" over a glitch in processing is what makes you part of the rabble. now you may be hero of the rabble but rabble you are.
And please save the nonsense about reputation. We all have fantastic reputations with those who matter. The rest of you really do not matter. tough to hear, I know, Herr cunt.
Seems many here talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue. Either affiliates (small ones) have significance or they do not. If they do not then why even respond the way you, RUC and others have in this thread? Makes no sense.
Shouldn't all you BROS be making so much bank that you're all too busy in your Bentleys to even read GFY? LOL Yet you come here and bash another Program Owner (me) who has the temerity to defend honest affiliates seeking answers to questions they have. Classy. I'm sure if I called all small affiliates ass wipes and losers you'd all invite me into the BRO Club. But who wants to be in a Club filled with so many people who treat other people like inconsequential shit? Do that in private maybe but doing it in public just wreaks of childish stupidity.My Affiliate Programs:
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12clicks has showed up, thread has officially hit bottomSupComment
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Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.
We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.
To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.
I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.
I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.
If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.
It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.- As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.Comment
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That's funny because I seem to remember your contemporaries hassling you on this forum for never making it to their level. This was years ago. You didn't make it until you started in with your billing schemes that skirt the law.
Your contemporaries sold porn.
You sell children's flash game sites to people who think they are just buying porn.Last edited by Matt 26z; 04-16-2014, 11:45 AM.Comment
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If someone did a test and reported it after, as they should, we would refund it ourselves and always have since the beginning. Your 'revshare' snipit was well hidden under blanket use that all programs are being 'tricky' or 'shady' in some way.. If you don't convert anymore from adult, as you have repeated many times already, how would you know anything on the subject in the first place? hearsay?webmaster at pimproll dot comComment
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It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:
Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.
BUT....
I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.
But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!!
True - and then there's Shap who made millions but is still lurking around GFY. LOL
But when I make millions I will be so long gone no one will ever see me again. :DLast edited by The Porn Nerd; 04-16-2014, 11:56 AM.My Affiliate Programs:
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Thanks! I'll be in touch!It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:
Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.
BUT....
I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.
But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!!- As soon as I think up a good sig it's going here.Comment
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Europe shows in June?You mean in September ?It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:
Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.
BUT....
I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.
But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!!
True - and then there's Shap who made millions but is still lurking around GFY. LOL
But when I make millions I will be so long gone no one will ever see me again. :DComment
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Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.
All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.Comment
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too busy in my bentley to read gfy... i nominate that for post of the yearComment
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ROI man, just like you do with your biz. Just have a look at how many in this thread still think it's a shave. Lot's of wasted effort on JTs part - just put yourself in his shoes for a second - multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves', when all along, as tc now concedes, it was a processor issue. 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.
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I agree with you 100%! No I would not think it' a good ROI. I wouldn't waste my time on any of this. THIS is why you have Affiliate Managers, or people in your company who act as such.
Again: My problem was with JT's responses and how he dealt/deals with issues like this. First he deletes his account on GFY then he comes back to GFY just to be contentious. I AGREE with many of JT's points, and if it were me I would share his feelings. But there is a professional, politically-correct way to handle such situations. And again, RUC is too big a company to be responding on this level anyway. (I have to cause I'm a minnow.)
I mean, this is PR 101 people, c'mon now. LOL The #1 problem when people try to manage damage control is they OVER manage it and make it worse. That's all JT was doing with his comments and they were more than preventable.Last edited by The Porn Nerd; 04-16-2014, 01:02 PM.My Affiliate Programs:
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Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
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with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
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For program owners, it's generally a no-win situation for them to reply on GFY, which is why you see fewer and fewer of them doing so. I'm actually surprised JT re-reg'ed to reply and, frankly, I think he did his best to address any accusations and then finally had enough upon realizing it wasn't making any difference.
Damnit, I swore I was not getting involved in this thread any more. Carry on.NSFWComment
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Looks like I must repeat it for the third time:
You do not care if you get cheated, scammed or robbed as long as you have the most money in the end.
I care that my business partner does not steal from me. It is not 100% ONLY about the money, there are also principles.
If I find out that my business partner steals from me I am most likely no longer interested in dealing with him. You would be interested in dealing with him as long as he still brings you the most money.
I understand your point of view 100%, but that does not mean that I follow your point of view.
Now, do you finally understand that I understand your point of view?
Everybody understand it, not necessary agrees with it. As there is more for them than just money (which may be the most important part, but not the whole picture. Some people cares about honoring agreement, about not stealing and about principles).
Should I repeat it for the fourth time for you to understand why some people do not follow your point of view (while understanding it)?Comment
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Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
you stood for
ever before the window saying
nothing
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Derail in the way that you posted so many posts, replied to everyone and PUSHED your point of view to the level where main topic of the thread was buried and sort of everybody forgot that rusefull was caught not counting sales.Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.
The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop
Non biased person would not have pushed his opinion that hard as you did. It was simply strange behavior how strongly and relentlessly you pushed your posts.
Now it is clear why and is no longer that strange.Comment
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Ten pages and one thing remains universally true:
money divided by clicks = value
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Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
you stood for
ever before the window saying
nothing
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I'm all for it. After reading the top post I just wanted to give Teencat a why not just setup your own sites? Literally was thinking the same. He appears good at generating organic google traffic and it is all being wasted on sponsors. I just sent an email to someone about how important it is to keep your traffic and convert it yourself... the example I gave was a factor of 40 times more money by just keeping your own traffic.Comment
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Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc? C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.
But to be clear: I could laugh off being libeled if it were by a small-time affiliate and the libelous slander was relegated to a GFY thread. LOL Besides, you don't fight being libeled, accused, etc by ranting on a message board. Either take it legal or, guess what? Laugh it off (internally), respond cordially and professionally (externally), then move the fuck ON.
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Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
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with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
you stood for
ever before the window saying
nothing
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Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said
"Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd View Post
PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. "
So I assumed you'd be happy with Teencat with his 2 joins a month doing that to you. Sorry if I misread it.
I think it has soiled Teencat's reputation as someone that doesn't understand that his 2 sales a month, libel, constant bitching and fraud are not worth the hassle he causes.
When you've been running you programme a little longer, you'll hopefully realise it is miles cheaper to move traffic generation in-house than to pay 50% out to little dicks that cause you hassle, damage your reputation, commit fraud and libel you.
I get it, when you're new, it's hard to find the money to outlay on in house staff. You want to keep lean and agile and I get that.
I give you a year before you are employing people solely to do the 'jobs' affiliates do and make your programme invite only.
You shoot good content, you seem a lovely chap, but just move it in house. Dealing with the minnows is pointless.Comment
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a) it's not ironic in the least
b) did you miss the post where DVTimes said he thought some 14 year old kids were, and I quote, "sexy babes"?
People need to be reminded DVTimes steals content, scams people, commits fraud and thinks kids are sexy.
Just as they need to be reminded that you have no idea about, seemingly, anything. I'll add your 10x quote to my sig later.
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Approach the mirrored reflection saying his name three times : "Butcher .... Butcher .... Butcher ....."
and wait to see if this Bogeyman urban legend manifests in the background, looming over shoulder
While your neighbors were busy killing off everyone in the neighborhood
with your own butcher knife in hand concealed behind your back
you stood for
ever before the window saying
nothing
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who has ever said any different, in the history of the world? That's like saying walmart earn less $$$ per product than Billy Bob and Sue's Convenience Store... wtf has that got to do with anything in this thread?
lol, I'm all for pissing away free time, but this has got ridiculous
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bolded quote: the way he repeatedly asked for an email, account details? At some point you say: fuck this, it isn't worth the hassle/ROI. Like you just said, you agree with many of JT's points - anyone with half a brain in this thread does. But the idiots keep jumping in, joining in with the accusations, and most of them never having sent a click to his sites in the first place. So now he is pissed off, and rightly so, but has to keep going, being nice, diplomatic, etc?
On a board with a bunch of part timers? That stopped being a real biz board years ago? You can't please all of the people all of the time, and at some point you have to do what you feel is best, in all areas - saying 'fuck this' at whatever point that is, is now somehow the most OMG moment ever? His fucking *manners*, in a trash talk thread, with ZERO direct communication EVER from the 'wronged' affiliate, slating his biz, calling him a cheater, preserved for ever with the actual facts lost somewhere on about page 6 which no fucker reading the thread from scratch is gonna get to, is now the issue?
Get real mate If I did all that shit with you, you'd still be the diplomat after 6 weeks, multiple threads, and zero communication from me? I don't think anyone would, and I certainly wouldn't blame them for letting off some well-deserved steam 
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btw my overall ratio for sponsors including sponsors without sales is under 1:380uniques this year so far, sending 10+ sales daily constantly, just ruc and few other sponsors dont work for me and are out of my standarts, thats why i want to know why. you get it? smart ass?Comment
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Cliff notes?
Last time I looked this was on P.7 and I don't have time to read it.Comment
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