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Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.

The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop

Ten pages and one thing remains universally true:

money divided by clicks = value

All the rest is nonsense and namcalling

That contact and 4 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks, meanwhile the people you have alienated in this thread could have gotten you a new Bentley.

The BRO(ke) club for the big win of staying in the kiddie pool

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Cool, so you'd be happy with me libelling you, accusing you of scamming, cheating and scamming and you'll just laugh it off.

The stupidity in this thread makes all of Markham's threads put together look clever.

This is for all Program Owners and Whale Affiliates with this attitude:

"It's only 0.00003% of sales so who the fuck cares? Fuck off I'm rich and I only play with rich BROS."

It doesn't matter if it's ONE SALE A YEAR. It doesn't matter if an affiliate sends 1k hits or 100k hits. This is about ATTITUDE and PROFESSIONALISM and how a Program runs their business.

Not giving a fuck because an affiliate isn't a 'whale' makes the Program look like cunts and BROS.

Perhaps, in the end, RUC and any other Program with this attitude will be just fine doing business with the BRO club circle jerk. But in the end this Industry will collapse upon itself and not even the BROS will be able to support each other. Many other industries have tried this approach - big whales only, fuck the little guys - and those industries have suffered, withered and died. Short-term greed and a "We're too big to play with you" attitude has been the demise of many egotistical, delusional fucks.

Treat people - affiliates are PEOPLE let's remember - with respect and be professional, even in the face of frustration and exasperation, and THEN you can be taken seriously as a business person. until then, all this BROspeak just proves to me that there is now a real divide between 'mega-players' and the rest of us. The irony here is that sooner or later even the BROS will be hurting and looking for affiliates one day. Everything is cyclical.

I just hope affiliates remember who treated them with respect and who treated them like fools when that day comes.

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc? C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc?

C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

You do realize you are replying to someone who has a line in his signature regarding 14 year old girls being sexy to another GFY member?

Irony.

a) it's not ironic in the least

b) did you miss the post where DVTimes said he thought some 14 year old kids were, and I quote, "sexy babes"?

People need to be reminded DVTimes steals content, scams people, commits fraud and thinks kids are sexy.

You're doing a great job solidifying the reality that tube sites with 100X the traffic of nontubes earn less $$$ per unique visitor.

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

I agree with you 100%! No I would not think it' a good ROI. I wouldn't waste my time on any of this. THIS is why you have Affiliate Managers, or people in your company who act as such.

Again: My problem was with JT's responses and how he dealt/deals with issues like this. First he deletes his account on GFY then he comes back to GFY just to be contentious. I AGREE with many of JT's points, and if it were me I would share his feelings. But there is a professional, politically-correct way to handle such situations. And again, RUC is too big a company to be responding on this level anyway. (I have to cause I'm a minnow.)

I mean, this is PR 101 people, c'mon now. LOL The #1 problem when people try to manage damage control is they OVER manage it and make it worse. That's all JT was doing with his comments and they were more than preventable.