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  • DamageX
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    Westerners who convert to Islam, why do they do it?

    Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
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  • PR_Glen
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    #2
    Originally posted by DamageX
    Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
    the same reason why you can understand people embracing zen buddhism..
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    • shoot twice
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      #3
      Originally posted by DamageX
      Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
      The simplest and easiest way to explain it is that religion is an emotion. There's either something that touches you or it doesn't.
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      • TeenCat
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        #4
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        • Klen
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          Answer to that is very simple and it can be applied to any converter:it depend how good your "sales people" are.If you look at stories why woman convert to islam it always start with "she met a guy then she did that then that yada yada" . As religion is "opium for masses" ,you could say how drug which you currently use is no longer having a desired effect and you need something stronger

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          • L-Pink
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            #6
            They don't like pork anymore.

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            • Markul
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              #7
              Originally posted by L-Pink
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              • sandman!
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                #8


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                • Struggle4Bucks
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DamageX
                  Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
                  They like to be hated. They like to be pushed in the corner. So that they can display and talk extreme shit they know will upset and shock people... It's a form of atention and masochism... Rather to be hated then to be ignored.... if they could only admit they olny need a shoulder to cry at... and a pat on the head...
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                  • John_Galbani
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                    #10
                    They marrie muslim partner maybe?
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                    • dyna mo
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                      #11
                      good question, I googed a bit and came up with some interesting views on it, here's 1, assuming you are referring to radicalized jihadists and not the peaceful practicing muslims.

                      So what?s going on? The radicalisation of young Western Muslims is often blamed on the apparently powerful appeal of radical preachers. It is frequently suggested that young people become radicalised because they are brainwashed and manipulated by these formidable charismatic figures. No doubt committed jihadist leaders do their best to promote the appeal of their brand of ideology and recruit new followers. But while they do contribute to the radicalisation of Muslim youth they only play a minor part of the drama.

                      The real question is why radical Islamic ideals appeal to young people who are often the beneficiaries of a relatively comfortable and secure lifestyle. It is evident that their embrace of a new cause is coupled with rejection of the way of life of their parents and also of the communities they inhabit. Such a generational rebellion against the old ways is not confined to Muslim youth. When you to talk to young radical British Muslims it is obvious that they are motivated by impulses that are shared by many of their Western non-Muslim peers. Take their rejection of Western consumer society: ?Are you willing to sacrifice the fat job you?ve got, the big car you?ve got, the family you have,? asks Abdul Raqib Amin in his ISIL-sponsored video. His words, which draw on the anti-consumerist rhetoric of Western radicalism, would be shared by a significant section of European youth. It could just as easily be a statement made by a member of Occupy. But Amin is not just a radical protester and he reminds his audience that he also belongs to a distinct youth subculture by asking ?are you willing to sacrifice this, for the sake of Allah??

                      What security officials characterise as radicalisation should be understood as an expression of generational estrangement.

                      Young Muslims? estrangement from, and resentment towards, Western society is logically prior to any radicalising message that they might internalise. Many young people who find it difficult to gain meaning from their experience in western society react by rejecting it. Their Muslim peers sometimes express their alienation through the medium of a jihadist outlook. Unfortunately, unlike the typical manifestation of the generation gap the embrace of a jihadist subculture can have very destructive consequences.

                      Most young people who are attracted to jihadist websites are not searching for a new religious experience or world view. Their behaviour is not all that different to the numerous non-Muslim Westerners who visit nihilistic web sites and become fascinated by destructive themes and images. Jihadist social media, like some conventional internet sites, provides young people with an outlet to let off steam. Young people use these sites to express their frustration and alienation. They often use extravagant language and boast about their behaviour. The sites often offer a synthesis of Middle East symbols and angry Western rap music. Jihad is often presented not just as a religious duty but as an exciting adventure. For many these are ?cool? sites that allows their fantasies to flourish. For others ? a relatively small minority ? such sites provide a medium through which they can make sense of their life.

                      In western societies, the appeal of a jihadist youth culture represents the crystallisation of rejection of the cultural values of western society. What often appears as a sudden conversion to radical Islam by an impetuous or confused young man is usually preceded by the detachment of the individual from their communities. The really important question worth exploring is not what lures a young man from Wales to an ISIL training camp in Syria but why has he rejected his previous way of life?



                      Read more: The question we really need to answer about young jihadists | The National
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                      https://www.google.com/search?q=the+...++muslim++west

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                      • CaptainHowdy
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by PR_Glen
                        the same reason why you can understand people embracing zen buddhism..
                        Zen Buddhism = Nihilism
                        Islam = Mysticism

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                        • shoot twice
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by KlenTelaris
                          As religion is "opium for masses" ,you could say how drug which you currently use is no longer having a desired effect and you need something stronger
                          It seems to me that coverage about Ferguson is the most efficient opiate this month.
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                          • Sid70
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by John_Galbani
                            They marrie muslim partner maybe?
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                            • DamageX
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by PR_Glen
                              the same reason why you can understand people embracing zen buddhism..
                              One is peaceful, the other condones capital punishment for married women found guilty of adultery. The way I see things, becoming a buddhist is a quest to further oneself. Whereas becoming a muslim pretty much takes one back to the dark ages. But yeah, I see your point.
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                              • DamageX
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                good question, I googed a bit and came up with some interesting views on it, here's 1, assuming you are referring to radicalized jihadists and not the peaceful practicing muslims.



                                https://www.google.com/search?q=the+...++muslim++west
                                I was actually referring to any westerner converting to Islam, not just the ones converting straight to extremism. Great article though, nails it. It explains the attraction of just about any way for youth to rebel against the society they feel rejected them, be it radical Islam, nazism or being painfully emo.
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                                • Rochard
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                                  #17
                                  The vast majority of us are pretty smart. We own houses, have jobs, raise families, and do well. But there is another section of society that barely functions.

                                  For example, I have a friend of mine who has been in disability for the past twenty-five years. He functions as a normal adult, drives, cuts his own grass, but otherwise is mentally retarded and operates a sixteen year old kid. If you talk to him for ten minutes he seems fine. But if you talk to him for more than ten minutes you discover everything between 1989 and last year is a complete void - for example, he'll remember 9/11 was horrible and might remember planes were involved, but he couldn't name the city or the buildings involved.

                                  These are the people that get suckered into this shit. Eventually they find a cause, and put a lot of effort into it. My friend is now a Knights of Columbus member and spends most of his time doing that. But sometimes people like him discover other religions, such as Islam, and some are taught to believe we are killing them for no reason.
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                                  • PornoPlopedia
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DamageX
                                    Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
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                                      #19
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                                      • hadden
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                                        #20
                                        I would guess they feel oppressed by the ways of the dominant theological beliefs.

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                                        • MiamiBoyz
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by DamageX
                                          Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
                                          Islam is no different than Christianity...BOTH are death cults who claim that there is a better life waiting for them after they die...stupid fools.

                                          I hope they all take the express route and get the fuck off the planet ASAP!

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                                          • hadden
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                                            #22
                                            Religions have striven their monopoly on stupid for eons now. It's damn near perfect and the mother ship should be here real soon.

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                                            • bronco67
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                                              #23
                                              For the same reason Muslims become extremists...they have nothing better going on in their life. The best way to fight Islamic extremism is to give young men a reason not to join their cause.

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                                              • shake
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                                                #24
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                                                • TrafficTitan
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                                                  #25
                                                  Life is treating them like shit right now, they blame the US, joining Islam is a fuck you to america.
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                                                  • VikingMan
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                                                    #26
                                                    Because the Koran is the direct word of God you dumbfucks. God recited the entire Koran to Mohammad so he could transcribe it while he was hiding on in a cave. Everybody knows this

                                                    Also God wrote down the book of Mormon on gold plates and an ancient Hebrew guy buried it in what is now Manchester New York. He was the last "white" guy and everyone else had been killed by the darkies. Everybody knows this you fucking ass wipes.

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                                                    • DAMNMAN
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                                                      #27
                                                      Fucking idiots!!!! Oh and that goes for all other religions too!!!!
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                                                      • Rochard
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by VikingMan
                                                        Because the Koran is the direct word of God you dumbfucks. God recited the entire Koran to Mohammad so he could transcribe it while he was hiding on in a cave. Everybody knows this

                                                        Also God wrote down the book of Mormon on gold plates and an ancient Hebrew guy buried it in what is now Manchester New York. He was the last "white" guy and everyone else had been killed by the darkies. Everybody knows this you fucking ass wipes.
                                                        How do we know Mohammad just didn't make all this shit up?

                                                        Maybe he was on mushrooms?
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                                                        • VikingMan
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                          How do we know Mohammad just didn't make all this shit up?

                                                          Maybe he was on mushrooms?
                                                          he did make it up, and so did Joseph Smith and every nut that came after him. I think the term "megalomaniac" is fitting for these types of people

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                                                            #30
                                                            how do we know you're not making this up vikingman? life is a paradox
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                                                              #31
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                                                              • RummyBoy
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                                                                #32
                                                                Well let's think about the responses here. The lowlife pornographer community is the one which is least likely to have religious beliefs, hence should we expect an objective or a subjective response to the virtues of religion?

                                                                Should we expect the average lowlife pornographer to "get religion"?

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                                                                • Phoenix
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                                                                  #33
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                                                                  • 420
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    What's to get about religion? Some people need something to make them feel better about their fear and uncertainty in life. And to make them feel like they belong.
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                                                                    • DamageX
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
                                                                      Islam is no different than Christianity...BOTH are death cults who claim that there is a better life waiting for them after they die...stupid fools.

                                                                      I hope they all take the express route and get the fuck off the planet ASAP!
                                                                      Actually Christianity, which is primarily based on the New Testament, preaches forgiveness and kindness. Nowhere does it encourage any sort of holy war against people of different or no religions. And, as opposed to the Old Testament, it doesn't condone any sort of violence as punishment for any crimes.

                                                                      That being said you certainly can't ignore the millions and millions of people killed in the name of Christianity. However, that happened due to groups of Christians taking things way further than the scriptures commend.

                                                                      BUT, unlike Islam, Christianity has undergone quite a bit of reformation and gone through an age of enlightenment, even if the enlightenment itself wasn't brought about by religion itself. Yet you can't deny the fact that many of the great minds during enlightenment were very religious. If I'm not mistaken Descartes (among others I think) was trying to prove the existence of God using mathematics.

                                                                      Islam, on the other hand, is pretty much living in the dark ages, compared to other religions. Both in terms of the actual age of the religion and in terms of what its scriptures mandate. As I said above, not only does it condone but it actually mandates capital punishment for certain "crimes", apostasy being one of them. That in addition to publicly humiliating punishments, such as public whippings. In addition to that, the value of women is half of that of men, according to the Quran. In other words Islam, based on Sharia Law, is incompatible with the democratic societies that have evolved in the West.

                                                                      Just like you I'm a staunch opponent of ANY religion. I attribute religiousness to weak and ignorant people, who refuse to accept scientific findings and simply seek to explain bad things in their lives by blaming anything but themselves ("It's God's will"). Although I have actually met some highly intelligent and strong people, with university degrees, being very religious. Go figure...

                                                                      I guess my point is, if you're gonna choose religion, why the fuck choose the most backwards one out there?

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                                                                      Originally posted by RummyBoy
                                                                      Well let's think about the responses here. The lowlife pornographer community is the one which is least likely to have religious beliefs, hence should we expect an objective or a subjective response to the virtues of religion?

                                                                      Should we expect the average lowlife pornographer to "get religion"?
                                                                      You think pornographers are lowlives? You're surely entitled to your own opinion, just as I am to mine, but I don't think pornographers are lowlives. I'd place them closer to blue-collar workers, albeit usually much better paid, rather than bottom feeders. But yes, it may easily appear that pornography is built on the exploitation of people, primarily women.

                                                                      Still, how's that any different than bankers or lawyers? They too prey on the needs of people. Sometimes in much worse ways, albeit not entirely as obvious as porn. ALL occupations, legal or illegal, serve to fulfill people's needs. Some even create those needs themselves. Which I'd argue is in reality much more evil than creating porn to fulfill one of the most basic needs of humans.

                                                                      Originally posted by 420
                                                                      What's to get about religion? Some people need something to make them feel better about their fear and uncertainty in life. And to make them feel like they belong.
                                                                      And to explain all the bad shit that happens in their lives, over which they feel they have no control.

                                                                      But yeah, you're perfectly right. My only point is, as stated above, if you're going to become religious why choose the most backwards religion out there? Could that be attributed to a lower level of intelligence among those people, since they haven't even bothered to explore other spiritual avenues to fill the perceived voids in their lives? That's my main reason for creating this thread to begin with.
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                                                                      • L-Pink
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                                                                        • Paul&John
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by RummyBoy
                                                                          The lowlife pornographer community is...
                                                                          I think most of the people here aren't pornographer's.. in the meaning that they don't actually produce (shoot) porn.. they just resell memberships to paysites/camsites/dating sites etc..
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                                                                          • aka123
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by TeenCat
                                                                            and some people like poo
                                                                            Everyone likes to poo and pee. That is why you poo and pee (and all other developed animals too).

                                                                            Although some might like it more than others.

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                                                                            • aka123
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                              Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
                                                                              I get it. You have something to fill your life with (one option). Praying often and similar stuff gives you a feeling of doing something. Or you can just play with Xbox all day long, whichever suits for you.

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                                                                              • DamageX
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by aka123
                                                                                I get it. You have something to fill your life with (one option). Praying often and similar stuff gives you a feeling of doing something. Or you can just play with Xbox all day long, whichever suits for you.
                                                                                I'd rather play Xbox all day. There's research pointing to the fact that people spending lots of time playing games actually increase their mental capabilities. I'll take that any day of the week, over getting even more dumbed down by religion. But then again I'd argue that I'm reasonably intelligent, as opposed to most religious people.
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                                                                                • RummyBoy
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Paul&John
                                                                                  I think most of the people here aren't pornographer's.. in the meaning that they don't actually produce (shoot) porn..
                                                                                  Haha....... and 99% of those are not lowlives either, I was just being controversial.

                                                                                  However, the fact is that if you want to look for a place where you most like to find a secular community of people, the chances are high you will find it amongst a group relating to adult type products. Would it be a surprise to hear that?

                                                                                  When it comes to religion, its not as simple as people seeking security or trying to fill ones life with "something", it is about very simple thing spirituality and beliefs and lot of you just don't get it and never will... why bother trying?

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                                                                                  • DamageX
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by RummyBoy
                                                                                    why bother trying?
                                                                                    Why not? We're "fucking around", remember? ;)
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                                                                                    • RummyBoy
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                      Why not? We're "fucking around", remember? ;)
                                                                                      Actually, maybe it can even be a complex reason for choosing religion but don't forget that a religion like Islam. Again a western view of Islam these days is totally connected with terrorism and fanaticism and extremism. And I suppose its these things which are raising the profile of Islam and probably thereby attracting membership.

                                                                                      Whereas if you travel to any muslim countries Pakistan, UAE, India, Saudi, you just don't find it there..... I mean not much. A country like India has over 100 million muslims but not much terrorism.

                                                                                      I do believe in god but my reasoning is actually complex but i'm not trying to fill a gap. Im a business man, successful and no doubt 1%'er but I do have religious beliefs even though I don't have much time (ie don't go church as often as I would like).

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                                                                                      • slapass
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I recently heard that Islam offers more of a community then Christianity. Not sure how or why but he was on NPR so I took his word for it.

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                                                                                        • AtlantisCash
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                          The vast majority of us are pretty smart. We own houses, have jobs, raise families, and do well. But there is another section of society that barely functions.

                                                                                          For example, I have a friend of mine who has been in disability for the past twenty-five years. He functions as a normal adult, drives, cuts his own grass, but otherwise is mentally retarded and operates a sixteen year old kid. If you talk to him for ten minutes he seems fine. But if you talk to him for more than ten minutes you discover everything between 1989 and last year is a complete void - for example, he'll remember 9/11 was horrible and might remember planes were involved, but he couldn't name the city or the buildings involved.

                                                                                          These are the people that get suckered into this shit. Eventually they find a cause, and put a lot of effort into it. My friend is now a Knights of Columbus member and spends most of his time doing that. But sometimes people like him discover other religions, such as Islam, and some are taught to believe we are killing them for no reason.



                                                                                          Mostly agreed though, i believe we are forced thinkin of bunch of western youth moving twoards islam, it's a way of media service to create new jihadist robo cops, i mean it's like saying (hey everyone is going there,why don't you go?), though i think most of the muslim poppulation combined from imigrants,, the wrest is conspiricy vice versa.

                                                                                          on the otherhand, while we talk about muslim youth of West, we should also talk about other perspective of this issue.

                                                                                          i born and razed in a predominantly muslim country now which we can call it havving biggest islamaphobic youth or better to say anti islamic youth, you would see even the ones calling themselfs muslim are critisizing current situation of muslim World.

                                                                                          so we are no differant we are same, but we express our feelings in a differant ways.

                                                                                          to add up something, i can put an example here something from my life, i always felt sorry about how people from alavite sect in Turkey have been discriminated and false claims talked about them, now i prepair to marry an alavite girl, (keep in mind that i come from a sunni family)., because i see them to be treated unfair, suppose human psycology...
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                                                                                          • madame
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                                                                                            • Nov 2014
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            A country like India has over 100 million muslims but not much terrorism.
                                                                                            India is managing its diversity quite well, they have to cope with that. The main religion is Hinduism (80%) which has many more followers there than Islam. The daily morality or sole concept of God, Karma, Dharma, etc. plus the fact that you shall be truly born hinduist have all influence the tolerance for other religions. If you look at the neighbouring Pakistan, with 95% of Muslims, things are getting hotter. Plus we shouldn't forget that after the partition in 1947 Muslims went through the frontier to Pakistan, while India remained Hindu/Sikh shelter (it was a massive migration on both sides, being an effect of years of incresing tension on religious basis).

                                                                                            I agree to what has been already mentioned: religion offers easy answer which some people fear so badly, plus the east is far more "collective" as opposite of western individualism, where some people suffer loneliness. The promises of solutions, eternity, community and support can be tempting.

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                                                                                            • DraX
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                              • 7147

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
                                                                                              Islam is no different than Christianity...BOTH are death cults who claim that there is a better life waiting for them after they die...stupid fools.

                                                                                              I hope they all take the express route and get the fuck off the planet ASAP!
                                                                                              Islam and christianity does not have much in common 2014.

                                                                                              Who should take the express route and get the fuck off? Anyone going to church? Anyone praying for their sick child ?

                                                                                              Just wondering, no remarks about islam though.

                                                                                              They might all be fools, but christians does not in "our time" pursue other religious beliefs.

                                                                                              One could believe that earth without religion would be a better place, who knows but there's only 1 religion on earth today spreading terror.

                                                                                              I should also point out that I do not believe in a god.
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                                                                                              • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                                • Dec 2011
                                                                                                • 26730

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                                Someone please explain the appeal to me. I mean, I can understand people embracing Zen Buddhism and try to find inner peace and all that jazz. But Islam? Call me stupid, but I don't fucking get it.
                                                                                                if you are asking why people turn to peaceful islam then this is another story but radical islam is easy:

                                                                                                try staying pro-west and pro-democracy after the USA has been basically making a war zone out of your country over oil for decades....imagine having no future, because US foreign policy dropped more bombs than WW2 and made your country and livelyhood in to rubble...its not hard to turn to "radical islam" when there is nothing left...

                                                                                                lets look at radical christianity...the US got 9/11-ed and in the name of everything holy (US pride) the US army went and invaded iraq that had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11

                                                                                                so to sum it up in one short sentence: US foreign policy is radical islams #1 recrutier
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                                                                                                • DamageX
                                                                                                  Marketing & Strategy
                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                  • 14293

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Incidentally I didn't post this with radical Islam in mind. I actually do understand that part, to a certain extent.

                                                                                                  My question applies more to the people converting to "peaceful islam", as you call it. To me that equals with voluntarily refusing basic democratic freedoms people enjoy in the West. And then legitimizing a discriminating religion, part of whose goals is to transform society as we know it into one based on religious law (Sharia).

                                                                                                  Ultimately I wouldn't give a flying fuck about religious law of any kind. But I do mind when the followers of that specific religion seek to impose THEIR religious law upon ME.
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                                                                                                  • slapass
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                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                    • 14625

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by madame
                                                                                                    India is managing its diversity quite well, they have to cope with that. The main religion is Hinduism (80%) which has many more followers there than Islam. The daily morality or sole concept of God, Karma, Dharma, etc. plus the fact that you shall be truly born hinduist have all influence the tolerance for other religions. If you look at the neighbouring Pakistan, with 95% of Muslims, things are getting hotter. Plus we shouldn't forget that after the partition in 1947 Muslims went through the frontier to Pakistan, while India remained Hindu/Sikh shelter (it was a massive migration on both sides, being an effect of years of incresing tension on religious basis).

                                                                                                    I agree to what has been already mentioned: religion offers easy answer which some people fear so badly, plus the east is far more "collective" as opposite of western individualism, where some people suffer loneliness. The promises of solutions, eternity, community and support can be tempting.
                                                                                                    Yeah, they handled it well, they made a separate country just for the Muslims and split it off.

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