GFY Brits !

[Scott McD]

Dear British people of GFY,

What do you think about the upcoming vote on Scottish independence from the UK ? How do you think the vote will go ? Do you even care either way ? Is it doomed for disaster if it is a 'Yes' vote ?

It's going to be a long ass Summer listening to these politicians every day talking absolute shit about the subject. Bottom line is, you can't trust anything that any of them say.

I think if i vote it will be 'Yes' simply for the fact that i believe we should be an independent country 100%. But will it be a good move for us economically ? More than likely not...

[EddyTheDog]

I will place a marker in this thread - London saying you cant have the pound is a huge twist...

[MaDalton]

welcome to the Euro ;)

[Sly]

Anytime there is more than one Brit in a thread, all hell breaks loose. This thread should be great!

[Manfap]

Im waiting for Salmond to start giving interviews dressed as Braveheart.

Be careful what you wish for, regional politicians who become more powerful, think they are gods and go on one hell of a spending spree.

If the people of Scotland want to split, great go for it, no one can tell them they cant, but the rest of the UK will not accept a currency union. No control over taxation/spending but sharing a currency.. Doesnt work.

And you wont get in the Euro. Spain wont let you, cause of Catalunya and the Basques

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

welcome to the Euro ;)

Ultimately, i believe that will be the deciding factor. As it stands, it's still unclear if that would be the case at all...

[RubyGoodnight]

I'm not a Brit, but I've been living here for eight years. Like Eddy said, I thought the whole thing about the pound not being an option after independence is going to throw a 'spanner in the works', so to speak.

I had a chat with my partner about this the other day, saying that if this were in the States, I doubt any independence conversation would have even made it this far.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Sly

Anytime there is more than one Brit in a thread, all hell breaks loose. This thread should be great!

Unless it's some Scottish bashing, this thread should be ok...

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I love that clip!

[mineistaken]

Why couldn't they have pound? Any country can have their own currency. If that pound is somehwhat related to GBP then you could simply create new Scottish pound.

[Scott McD]

I got a booklet through the door today featuring a certain Mr George Galloway.

[ottopottomouse]

Somebody somewhere is going to be swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck. The rest of Scotland is going to be scraping by on a turnip a week.

[Supz]

I thought William Wallace ended this shit in Bravehearts.

[seeandsee]

they will not be in EU if they go away

[Sid70]

Not a Brit but I prefer independent Ukraine, same i think about Scotland. This speech is long, but I watched and agreed.

[Jel]

anything that stops the sweaties moaning like fuck all day long about England as per usual is fine by me

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Supz

I thought William Wallace ended this shit in Bravehearts.

Braveheart is a certainty to be on TV the night before the vote...

[Cyber Fucker]

Do you think it's a good idea to get rid of any British pounds £ £ £ before it will happen? I'm just thinking the next day it will happen it may go down a bit.

[Triple-A]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Why couldn't they have pound? Any country can have their own currency. If that pound is somehwhat related to GBP then you could simply create new Scottish pound.

Er, no you can't... Scotland's central banks are basket cases. Take RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS... the 2 biggest) they have been bailed out several times by the UK Govt and taxpayers of England and Wales and are still owned in part by the UK taxpayer. Any future financial crisis could not be bailed out for a wholly independent Scotland alone, their banks would collapse, and as an English taxpayer I would be mightily pissed off helping Scotland get out of it... the Scottish economy is also mainly state driven which will lead to disaster. It's not sour grapes from me, I would be extremely upset if the Scots were to break up the union... it's not in their real interests... they already have enough devolved power to set their own local fiscal policies and laws, much as any state in the USA would... they are pretty much independent of Westminster but a currency union for a completely independent country is unacceptable to piggy back onto one of the world's major currencies just like that... and joining the Euro would mean Scots losing total fiscal autonomy to the EU and the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels - what price their "freedom" then? It would be a disaster in the making for Scottish people... sure, work on more independent means of devolution if they must. the one man I loathe with every fiber is Alex Salmond, who has a political agenda... I feel he really does hate the English, though I am probably being a little paranoid...

I have family in Scotland and Wales as well as being from the far south west of England, my roots are Welsh and Cornish primarily. We feel more ignored by Westminster down our part of England by central government than the Scots... as the recent flood crisis showed... I say Independence for the Cornish. We are a proud celtic people!

"Rydhses!"

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Triple-A

and joining the Euro would mean Scots losing total fiscal autonomy to the EU and the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels - what price their "freedom" then?

Joining Euro is not losing your freedom. And many free countries wanted and still want to join it. Nothing to do with freedom.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Joining Euro is not losing your freedom. And many free countries wanted and still want to join it. Nothing to do with freedom.

It is losing your monetary policy freedom.

Spain and Ireland were booming 2005-2008 France and Germany were not, so interest rates were kept low to keep the larger economies from reccession. No way of cooling the Spanish/Irish economies and they went mental.

Spains economy was in pretty good shape, but interest rates kept dropping and you were seeing 25% a year added on housing prices. That had never happened before in Spain.

[Triple-A]

Basically England, wales and n Ireland would underwrite the Scottish banks... much like the poor Germans have had to do with Spain, Greece & Portugal... it's unacceptable.

Read the last few paragraphs of this latest article to understand more about an unstable currency union and the fact the rest of Britain would be better suited with a currency union with Europe or even the USA than Scotland... it's just not feasible! Salmond is a nationalist nutjob!

utter madness!

[rogueteens]

I cannot see the breaking up of the Union being a good thing for anyone - I'm sure that the Scots will vote "no", I do wonder though if they do vote "yes", will Scotland turn into another Northern Ireland? - there are a lot of proud Brits in Glasgow for example - Rangers fans love flying the Union Jack.

Roll on the EU vote, it cannot come quick enough.

[Triple-A]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Joining Euro is not losing your freedom. And many free countries wanted and still want to join it. Nothing to do with freedom.

the French, Dutch or Greeks, whoever in the Eu, those govts do NOT have the right to up or lower interest rates, something Britain has been able to do, to allow it to align with teh economy of the country in relation to other trading partner... as has been mentioned, Ireland, Spain and Greece were unable to raise funds or change interest rates once they had been locked in with the currency union... there is no freedom for those countries, one which went totally bankrupt and close to anarchy because of it... (it didn't help that the Greeks just don't collect and pay their taxes... unlike northern economies) but that is the folly of the EU.

Britain would have gone under in 2008, we still owe far more in relation to what we are making compared to some of the basket cases of Europe, incl Italy and Spain... yet can service our debt OUR way (Ok, it didn't help that fucking Labour tried spending their way out of it in 2008 under that clueless oaf Gordon Brown creating MORE debt) but at least we had the option to try that and were not imposed under by a rigid set of rules.

I say again - what price freedom?

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by Sid70

Not a Brit but I prefer independent Ukraine, same i think about Scotland. This speech is long, but I watched and agreed.

Great speech, what you don't get in the media, as we live in a dictatorship of the rich.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Rangers fans love flying the Union Jack.

Most are mentally retarded though...

[DVTimes]

I hope scotland goes indipendent.

why?

one presumes that fuel and goods will be cheaper so i can drive down and get stuff cheaper.

[Sid70]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I hope scotland goes indipendent.

why?

one presumes that fuel and goods will be cheaper so i can drive down and get stuff cheaper.

dIFInitely.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Why couldn't they have pound? Any country can have their own currency. If that pound is somehwhat related to GBP then you could simply create new Scottish pound.

Awww, it's sweet you wear your ignorance on your sleeve like you are proud to it.

[pornmasta]

a vote every year ?

[Manfap]

Interesting re the unionists, you think they'll be mass migration or will they stay and just be even more pissed off.

Do you think you will start to see paramilitary organizations form?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Casio22]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

I do wonder though if they do vote "yes", will Scotland turn into another Northern Ireland?

Totally agree, i cant see a further divide of the UK being beneficial for Scotland or the rest of the UK but it will be interesting to see what happens.

In regards to Scotland keeping the pound (stop me if i'm being totally naive here) but cant any country adopt any other countries currency? Andorra for example uses the Euro but they are not a member of the EU?

And surely the decision to move naval ship building to Scotland would have to be overturned
if they were to gain independence as we would effectively be outsourcing to a "foreign" country? Which begs the bigger question.. would we still share military resources?

This could turn into a real messy divorce situation

[Cherry7]

Countries can use anothers currency but have little control over it. If the owner devalues it there is nothing they can do about it. You are controlled by the owning country.

It is a threat against the Scots that may backfire...If I was Scot I would vote just to show I can't be threatened.

It is difficult to imagine the UK would stop the Scots using the pound, the cost to UK business would also be gigantic.

Scotland could become a very nice country free from the racist UKIP / Tory nonsense of England.

Wales next

[pinkz]

CaMoron only wants Scotland to remain British so he can rape its natural gas and oil!

Scotland already has its own curency, the Scottish pound from the royal bank of Scotland.

Personaly i think my ancestors would be better off being independant of the shower of shit that claims to be Great Britain.

[Best-In-BC]

Dont those boys need to opt in to view gfy ? ROFL

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Most are mentally retarded though...

Hey hey easy now

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by pinkz

CaMoron only wants Scotland to remain British so he can rape its natural gas and oil!

You do have to wonder why he is so desperate to keep the UK together. Clearly, Scotland does have a huge worth to the rest of the UK, otherwise he'd just say "go ahead, it's your problem if it goes tits up".

But his bully boy tactics in the currency debate makes you think there's not a chance they would force Scotland to have a seperate currency, and in a way could force a major backtrack from Cameron after the referendum.

I just wish things were more clear from both sides. But that will never happen as their will be too much lying over the coming months to even know what the actual truths are...

[lagcam]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

I hope scotland goes indipendent.

why?

one presumes that fuel and goods will be cheaper so i can drive down and get stuff cheaper.

You live in Yorkshire and you are going to drive DOWN to Scotland?

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by lagcam

You live in Yorkshire and you are going to drive DOWN to Scotland?

DVTimes can count to potato...

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Hey hey easy now

Ha.

To be honest i think most of the "for Queen and country" nonsense many Rangers fans go on about is nothing more than to wind up Celtic fans. And i suppose it works.

Unless of course they do actually believe in all that shit. And in that case, i'd be even more worried and think my previous statement isn't too wide of the mark...

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

You do have to wonder why he is so desperate to keep the UK together. Clearly, Scotland does have a huge worth to the rest of the UK, otherwise he'd just say "go ahead, it's your problem if it goes tits up".

I think it's more about legacy.

Neither he nor the Queen want to preside over the breakup of the Union.

[baddog]

What does the English government think about the idea?

Originally Posted by RubyGoodnight

I had a chat with my partner about this the other day, saying that if this were in the States, I doubt any independence conversation would have even made it this far.

People talk shit all the time; there was even a push for independence back in the 1800's

Originally Posted by lagcam

You live in Yorkshire and you are going to drive DOWN to Scotland?

He isn't very smart

[pinkz]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

You do have to wonder why he is so desperate to keep the UK together. Clearly, Scotland does have a huge worth to the rest of the UK, otherwise he'd just say "go ahead, it's your problem if it goes tits up".

But his bully boy tactics in the currency debate makes you think there's not a chance they would force Scotland to have a seperate currency, and in a way could force a major backtrack from Cameron after the referendum.

I just wish things were more clear from both sides. But that will never happen as their will be too much lying over the coming months to even know what the actual truths are...

Camoron's and the tories in general, their days are numbered, as yet i have not had the chance to ask my relies for their opinion but one thing i know fer sure is if the vote goes in favour of independance i for one will be moving north of the border.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by lagcam

You live in Yorkshire and you are going to drive DOWN to Scotland?

Actually, I think DVT is correct, figuratively speaking you can only drive up to London, everywhere else is down. something to do with it being the capital city.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Actually, I think DVT is correct, figuratively speaking you can only drive up to London, everywhere else is down. something to do with it being the capital city.

I have doubts that was his logic...