Why paid porn is better than free porn?

[MrDeiz]

Who knows?

[geedub]

Customer experience, like some of you people need to keep asking these questions.

[Best-In-BC]

ROFL, Paid porn ?.

[Phoenix]

the quality of streaming is better...that is not just self serving.
i check out some tubes...its bad quality.
paid porn sites have better streaming.
For the price of a membership, as long as you dont get cross sold to hell.
I think a membership is quite reasonable considering a guy will use it many times a month.

[lucas131]

not needed to wait and waste time, not needed to search, not needed to be bothered by ads, not needed to clean your pc from viruses, and so and so ... still many people value time more than few saved bucks ...

[Startzone]

whats porn? LOL

[Robbie]

Free anything is better than paid anything to the vast majority of people.

I've eaten a free hot dog at a car sale and enjoyed it as much as a $80 steak that I paid for.

Yeah, I know that some people will pay for quality and there is a time and a place.

But the days of making impulse sales all night long are a thing of the past for paysites.
And that translated into a LOT of money.

[geedub]

I've eaten a free hot dog at a car sale and enjoyed it as much as a $80 steak that I paid for.

You must have poor taste

[SomeCreep]

Even the best and biggest pay sites out there still don't even come close to competing with all of the free porn and full length vids you can find on tube sites.

[potter]

There are pros and cons to both, and the smart business person knows how to properly monetize both.

[Sly]

How many of you guys have joined a paysite or been in a members area?

Know what you are selling.

[Tdash]

Simple answer: Quality

The videos on paysites are so crisp and clear it's as if the models were right in front of you.
And also no malware/virus/ads.

[Phoenix]

Even the best and biggest pay sites out there still don't even come close to competing with all of the free porn and full length vids you can find on tube sites.

i beg to differ. Anyone can add more content then any surfer is ever going to use by using feeds.

memberchannels
centros
others
there are many ways to give your members content to keep them happy

[Marcus Aurelius]

Simple answer: Quality

The videos on paysites are so crisp and clear it's as if the models were right in front of you.

Maybe on a few iconic paysites.

Most of the porn paysites are of the same shit quality as free tubes, if not worse.

[fuzebox]

I find tubes frustrating as hell to get off on. Video quality is terrible, ads are annoying, and popups are infinitely frustrating. If you're searching for something specific and google takes you into the tier 2 tube sites... forget about it.

[Yanks_Todd]

I've eaten a free hot dog at a car sale and enjoyed it as much as a $80 steak that I paid for.

I agree that a free dog on the fourth can be just as enjoyable as a steak in a solid steakhouse.

Of course the real question is would you enjoy a free steak as much as the $80 steak?

[Robbie]

I agree that a free dog on the fourth can be just as enjoyable as a steak in a solid steakhouse.

Of course the real question is would you enjoy a free steak as much as the $80 steak?

That's a no-brainer, and what has happened to our industry.

Pirates and scumbags are giving away full scenes. And even though we are all saying that the quality isn't as good and it's so frustrating to find what you want, etc., etc.
Everyday the numbers tell a different story in terms of where all the surfers are at and the sales numbers on paysites.

I know y'all remember just a few years ago...every month sales grew exponentially for both paysite owners AND affiliates (who did revshare).
Then we ALL watched them drop down for the first time EVER in the online porn business. For affiliates it was all the way to the floor.

For paysite owners it stabilized eventually. But I didn't get in this business to go sideways for years at a time. I got into to make real money.

[Cyber Fucker]

Quality HD videos, most tubes quality is far from HD... the only reason I see. But most people will masturbate to free ones anyway whatever the quality is.

[2MuchMark]

There is NO difference between paid porn and free porn. Here's why:

General people who just want to see tits, ass, fucking etc, don't care where it came from. They type the search words into google and click links until they find what they want from sites that give away HUGE galleries and long clips.

Tube sites are hurting business too of course, but some producers are not helping. They are being told to provide legal clips of 10 minutes or more, with the promise of getting a high ranking on their site, which is totally ridiculous and works only for the tube site. The consumer will shoot is load watching a video in 10 minutes and NEVER click to your site. However, the Tube site gets to show actual stats to all the other advertisers on that page of the huge views they are getting.

"Boutique" sites that concentrate on the educated customer who prefers to actually buy content directly from the makers or licensed distributors is one of the few ways porn actually makes money. I know some solo model sites who actually take a little time to educate their customers on how piracy hurts them, and ask their clients nicely to purchase only from her official website. Not treating customers like sheep and more like real people makes a big difference.

[Cherry7]

There are so many reasons...

Movies and pictures of the same girl in the same place

High quality video and pics

No pop ups viruses crap etc etc

same type of girl and content in one place

You are not a cheapskate

Downloadable and keepable movies and pics

The making of and personal touch...

[dgraves]

They are being told to provide legal clips of 10 minutes or more, with the promise of getting a high ranking on their site, which is totally ridiculous and works only for the tube site. The consumer will shoot is load watching a video in 10 minutes and NEVER click to your site. However, the Tube site gets to show actual stats to all the other advertisers on that page of the huge views they are getting.

Correct and many sponsors are drinking the Kool Aid out of desperation. By doing this, they are supporting the thieves and shitting on their affiliates at the same time.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
-George Carlin

[DevonDemon]

Free porn, YES!

[Pronstar]

There is no such thing.

[j3rkules]

There is no such thing.

which thing??

[bigluv]

When somebody comes out with netflix of porn, following the model of netflix, of the subscription music services, etc, with a large enough varied enough library of content to keep everyone happy for as long as they want then porn will turn the corner.

But no one sponsor (not even manwin, IMO) has enough varied and good quality content to do this.

When this happens for ~ $10 a month, it will also likely be the beginning of the end for small paysites.

[Paul]

When this happens for ~ $10 a month, it will also likely be the beginning of the end for small paysites.

I think you're right.

Would be interesting to see a large tube test an iTunes micro payment model for porn, $0.99 per video.

Only giving the surfer/customer the option of a $30 subscription seems as dated to me as the music industry expecting a customer to buy an album because they want to listen to one song.

There's always going to be people who pay and people who don't.

[Robbie]

Would be interesting to see a large tube test an iTunes micro payment model for porn, $0.99 per video.

No, it wouldn't be "interesting" for a "large tube" to test that. Because they would be doing so with a lot of stolen content.

Also...keep in mind that people only like certain kinds of porn.

They aren't gonna want to pay for 10,000 scenes of shit that they don't like...even if there is 100 scenes of the kind of stuff they do like there. It's just not human nature to want to pay for what you don't want.

Netflix, Itunes and all that other stuff is DIFFERENT than porn.

Porn is VERY personal and depends on the viewers proclivity to a niche that defines them sexually.

There's a reason that has never been done. Because it won't work.

Besides, AEBN has been around for a good while. You only pay for what you watch on there. It's very affordable and they have most of the major studios.

[Cherry7]

Porn is also different as it has such low production values compared to feature film production.

Too much of too low quality.

[ITraffic]

Would be interesting to see a large tube test an iTunes micro payment model for porn, $0.99 per video.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101335599

[dgraves]

Would be interesting to see a large tube test an iTunes micro payment model for porn, $0.99 per video.

Tubes can't do this because they would no longer be protected under DMCA Safe Harbor. Tubes can't profit directly from stolen content so that's why they sell ads/space.

[themason698]

free p*rn;
low quality streaming videos/values
teasers only.

paid P$orn;
high end definition videos
long durations of vids

[the Shemp]

free p*rn;
low quality streaming videos/values
teasers only.

paid P$orn;
high end definition videos
long durations of vids

you're new, huh ...?

[Evil1]

free p*rn;
low quality streaming videos/values
teasers only.

paid P$orn;
high end definition videos
long durations of vids

it's not often i can type this and actually mean it literally but it appears to be one of those rare occasions ...

LOL

Also, do you know where the fuck you are? Why are you censoring the word porn?

[bigluv]

No, it wouldn't be "interesting" for a "large tube" to test that. Because they would be doing so with a lot of stolen content.

Also...keep in mind that people only like certain kinds of porn.

They aren't gonna want to pay for 10,000 scenes of shit that they don't like...even if there is 100 scenes of the kind of stuff they do like there. It's just not human nature to want to pay for what you don't want.

Netflix, Itunes and all that other stuff is DIFFERENT than porn.

Porn is VERY personal and depends on the viewers proclivity to a niche that defines them sexually.

There's a reason that has never been done. Because it won't work.

Besides, AEBN has been around for a good while. You only pay for what you watch on there. It's very affordable and they have most of the major studios.

An all-you-can-eat model with a good interface that allows every user to find their niche , then get recommendations, notifications of new content in that niche, etc etc will work. The VOD model though that you are talking about isn't what people want.

[MrDeiz]

actually many members areas are pretty shitty, with no streaming or with some fancy players
some members area are low speed, bad UI, etc...

[Paul]

No, it wouldn't be "interesting" for a "large tube" to test that. Because they would be doing so with a lot of stolen content.

Doesn't really matter what anyone says or suggests because you'll shoot it down because your hatred towards tubes is so imbedded in your mind.

We get it, you think tubes = bad and you won't work with them even though it means you're leaving money on the table.

You should checkout this thread http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1131741

JT the previous owner of YouPorn shared a lot of interesting insight on how he partnered up with content producers and actually promoted their paysites on his tube.

It could be done with the support of content producers and for every 10 that say no, 1 or 2 will say yes and give it a shot. It could also be tried with tubes that focus on amateur content like Yuvutu but then again that wouldn't work right? But they've already implemented a token like setup similar to MyFreeCams so what would they know!

Also...keep in mind that people only like certain kinds of porn.

They aren't gonna want to pay for 10,000 scenes of shit that they don't like...even if there is 100 scenes of the kind of stuff they do like there. It's just not human nature to want to pay for what you don't want.

You either didn't read what I wrote or you completely misunderstood what I said.

Sorry dude you're talking bollocks

Netflix, Itunes and all that other stuff is DIFFERENT than porn.

Porn is VERY personal and depends on the viewers proclivity to a niche that defines them sexually.

Seriously? Are you trying to suggest porn customers only like one very specific niche? Most people I know like 5 or 10. It's really not that different, just like films and music people have preferences and it's more than 1 or 2

There's a reason that has never been done. Because it won't work.

Interesting... because I can think of a bunch of micro payment websites that make a fortune. MyDirtyHobby & AdultWork to name two in this thread

So I have to wonder how much the real players with the major traffic could be making, it's a real shame that a payment giant like Amazon didn't enter the market, Paypal are getting their feet wet with Epoch.

If the large tubes worked with a company like Paypal or Amazon to implement a 1 click payment button for porn it would make a massive difference, it's an area that adult is seriously lacking. This concept of pulling out the credit card and spending a few minutes filling in details feels like the stone age considering how everything else online is practically instant now.

We know Porn is an impulse buy yet as an industry we still don't have a one click solution to take full advantage.

[Paul]

Porn is also different as it has such low production values compared to feature film production.

Too much of too low quality.

Totally agree!

I think there's a lot of webmasters (declining rapidly) that can't accept that something that they produced 10 years ago only has a fraction of the value in todays market and instead of adapting and accepting the new reality they'd rather bitch about it daily on a messageboard.

You throw in YouTube, Twitter & Facebook for DIY self promotion and the new reality is the content (The Model) doesn't need the webmaster anymore. All they need is a decent smartphone + time and they're in business!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101335599

Thanks dude, I'll be keeping an eye on this.

Very interesting stuff and some great points in the article!

Kulich and Kirby argue that the adult industry has simply not given customers a chance to be honest. And while they're under no illusions that this option will put an end to piracy?or even substantially curb it?they believe history shows there's a significant amount of money on the table.

"Music piracy was running rampant in the late '90s," Kulich said. "Apple came out with a pricing model saying 'we're not going to eliminate piracy, but we believe there is a large segment that's pirating music because it is the only way to get music onto their computers.' So they created a service where they thought they could pick some of that piracy up off of the floor and make some money from it. ? We don't expect to be able to recuperate the $4 billion the industry loses each year to piracy, but it would be nice if we could recuperate a portion of it."

"I think the reason this hasn't been done before is a lot of studios feel if we're offering this content from hundreds of different producers at such a low price, that's giving away our content," he said. "As the industry has progressively lost revenue, though, these ideas are getting more and more support from the studios."

[Paul]

Tubes can't do this because they would no longer be protected under DMCA Safe Harbor. Tubes can't profit directly from stolen content so that's why they sell ads/space.

Yeah I know, JT talked about this in the thread I posted above. He shared his frustration about how tubes are putting ever more aggressive ads on their websites and the surfers are starting to get sick of it.

I think some tubes are starting to see sense, realising that it's better to work with content producers than against them, just a shame it's taken the better part of 5 years to get to this point.

There's more money to be made working with people than against them, very valid point though Dgraves. I suppose the problem is I'm talking about an entirely different business model and for tubes to implement something like that they'd have to do a 180 and start working with people, part of it is probably laziness too.

Easier to upload stolen content and then have paying adverts displayed beside them, it's just a shame because it's a wasted opportunity.

An all-you-can-eat model with a good interface that allows every user to find their niche , then get recommendations, notifications of new content in that niche, etc etc will work. The VOD model though that you are talking about isn't what people want.

There's a lot of possibilities if this type of setup was implemented (assuming a good % of content producers are onboard)

Pay Per Clip $0.99 or even recurring subscription per niche i.e. $5 per month for each niche and the customer gets access to all updates in that niche.

Give the customer as many options as possible

[Rumbledog]

Paid porn is better because of "New Talent"

Maybe those who find and recruit "New Talent" should stop recruiting new talent due to the overwhelming content theft/piracy.

[ErectMedia]

To a guy with expendable income many prefer pay sites due to being afraid of malware/massive emails etc... from free sites. Until the day when they join a pay site and get slammed with multiple hidden cross sales. Shady billing tactics by some slowly eating away an industry. You can give someone a good deal on a car and then have them come back to you including family/friend referrals for life. Or ya can fuck them in the ass one time and never see them again.

How many of you guys have joined a paysite or been in a members area?

Know what you are selling.

Good point, highest quality traffic doesn't mean shit if your promoting an inferior product compared to the competition. Quality content/updates increase your retention on RevShare. If program is lacking find a replacement or switch to the one hit wonder of Pay Per Sale.

[dgraves]

Yeah I know, JT talked about this in the thread I posted above. He shared his frustration about how tubes are putting ever more aggressive ads on their websites and the surfers are starting to get sick of it.

I think some tubes are starting to see sense, realising that it's better to work with content producers than against them, just a shame it's taken the better part of 5 years to get to this point.

There's more money to be made working with people than against them, very valid point though Dgraves. I suppose the problem is I'm talking about an entirely different business model and for tubes to implement something like that they'd have to do a 180 and start working with people, part of it is probably laziness too.

Easier to upload stolen content and then have paying adverts displayed beside them, it's just a shame because it's a wasted opportunity.



There's a lot of possibilities if this type of setup was implemented (assuming a good % of content producers are onboard)

Pay Per Clip $0.99 or even recurring subscription per niche i.e. $5 per month for each niche and the customer gets access to all updates in that niche.

Give the customer as many options as possible

I'm not sure what the tube owners were thinking when the decided to just take the content rather than try to sell memberships as an affiliate. They're trying to do it now because surfers get use to seeing the same ads or get burned on the products they are selling.

The fucked up part is how many producers are working with the same tube owners that have been fucking the industry for years. Where's the loyalty?

I get contacted all the time from the same shit bags who I send DMCA's to weekly now wanting to do business together. They try to smooth things over by allowing the producer access to police their own content. Here's how to smooth it over, don't steal content in the first place! Start with that and then lets talk business.

The problem with the majority of people that get into this business is they can't see past their own dicks and don't consider the long-term effects. They want quick and easy money.

No other industry fucks over the supplier.

[Robbie]

Doesn't really matter what anyone says or suggests because you'll shoot it down because your hatred towards tubes is so imbedded in your mind.

We get it, you think tubes = bad and you won't work with them even though it means you're leaving money on the table.

First off there is no "we". It's just "you" typing.

And you don't have a clue about what I think. My "hatred" towards tubes? I own one.

As for "leaving money on the table", I am the last person on Earth who wants to leave even a dollar on the table my friend.
I already tested the traffic at Pornhub a couple of years back and reported my findings. It sucked.

If you think I'm wrong, that's your prerogative. When you own a paysite that you shoot the content for yourself and bust your ass to make your fortune...then I will give your opinion a little more weight.

I hope you don't mind that I don't give you any credibility at all.

As for JT, he's doing a great job. I have respect for him.
But if you think that his past ownership of YouPorn doesn't give him an edge in working with tubes, then I don't know what to say to you.

Here's the reality: Putting your videos on tube sites doesn't pay off even a fraction of the sales we get with Claudia Marie tweeting, on FaceBook, and doing non-adult vids on YouTube and Vimeo.

And if you want to PAY to advertise on tubes...well, that's a whole other matter.

After talking to Traffic Junky at Internext I realized that they are basically running a "Google-Jr." sort of "Ad Words".

Making THEM a fortune.

I don't know if I would EVER pay for traffic. How much money am I leaving on the table?

Well, I don't think ANY. If I thought there was money to be made...I would be right there making it.

But like I said...why don't YOU try shooting your own stuff, building a brand over the years, and doing all the work and take all the risks...and then see how YOU like it when it gets stolen and some asshole is profiting off of YOUR work.

Until then: "Go Fuck Yourself".

[6South]

I like to look at this from the perspective of an end user as being on the provider side of things has a definite affect on perspective.

Content is content, it doesn't matter if it's adult, mainstream, music, whatever. The variations between them have little impact on the most important elements.

There are a few universal reasons why users will pay for content:

1. Exclusivity (They can't get it anywhere else without paying)
2. Convenience (They don't want to deal with the time and effort to obtain it for free)
3. Quality (Content is protected in such a way that pirated material is degraded in quality)
4. Experience (Paid access is worth it to the user because the user experience is superior)

You can see the big players hitting all of these be it for adult content, iTunes or a TV Show. Obviously if you can't control access you should be focused on providing the best of the other options you can. Only focusing on one element is leaving cash behind, you need to provide the best of all 4 you can to maximize profits.

[The Porn Nerd]

Paid porn is just BETTER than free porn, okay???

Yeesh.