There are plenty of jobs that are growing:

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/

just search and sort by "projected growth rate"...

No, greed is not good.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jakezama...greed-is-good/

if not for the internet where would you be? most likely in some kind of salary position kissing ass trying to climb the ladder.

and what were you thinking when you were sweating your ass off nailgunning shingles for a living? i'm sure your viewpoint has changed as your lifestyle did.

they're looking for people right now but when they can automate more jobs, they will.

When I first had gotten out of college I worked at the phone company. I started as union job, later became a union steward, and a few years later took a job in management. Whether union or management I still was making good money. I doubt I would be hurting either way without porn and the internet.

I have never been afraid of work, and obviously have a strong work ethic. No matter what I did in life, I would rise to the top the same as I did in the corporate world, or online. I think that is the point 12clicks is trying to make. You either have "it" or you don't.

In short, there is no one to blame for your failures in life other than yourself.

:2 cents:

Curious to hear more. I just looked up Western North Dakota oil rush and it says about 4-5 towns that are booming due to this (all are like 1000 people each) and on top of that one or two of those booming towns are losing population.

And that Middleton even has no wikipedia page. Not that it says much, but still a town as known as that should have it.

my point was the internet has given us more of an ability to work for ourselves. many of us would be working for someone else if not for it.

Wrong again, asshat. My construction biz was very successful. I made more doing that than you do now.

Successful people are born with the mindset to succeed. That's why we do.
But it's typical of your kind to imagine I was once like you.
Sorry to disappoint

how amusing to see first world people complain about how hard it is :1orglaugh if you can not make it in your super economies then its really nobody's fault but your own :2 cents:

the rich do not have the time to "keep you down" they are busy getting their dicks polished :2 cents:

doesn't that show that sky isn't falling like many have claimed?

anyone with basically zero investment, can go to a library now and start one of 100s of different online businesses...

all it takes is some effort...

i'm talking about before you ran your own business, you obviously worked for someone else...why weren't your parents born with the mindset to succeed? do they look to their betters for guidance as you suggest so many on here do?

really, thats all it takes is effort? so anyone who puts 'effort' into what they are doing should be successful? :helpme

Scumbag, why did you follow in the idiot footsteps of YOUR parents and aspire to mediocrity?
Both of my parents dropped out of school to help support their fatherless families (both dead young) after marrying, they moved out of the inner city, worked hard, and become comfortable middle class. They didn't need advice from their betters any more than I did.
I also owned my business at 25.

Again, your idiot questions merely cement my opinion of you. You're a failure imagining your betters got lucky.

We didnt

Instead of bad mouthing effort, you should instead try it.

i owned my own business at 20, so suck it. i'm sure your parents worked hard and are great people. i just wanted to turn it around on you so you can see how it feels.

oh i do, every fucking day. i just think it takes a lot more than that and to make it seem so simple is a joke.

Sorry, my parents never whined about people who had more than them nor did they take government handouts. They worked hard and got ahead.

And save us the BS about your Internet "business"

You've never worked a hard day in your life.
Certainly not hard enough to be called successful.
But we've been down this trail before. If you spent ad much effort working as you do making excuses, you'd be far more successful than you are

pretty much...

one idea might not work out, so one tries another and then another... one eventually has to work out... it's not like one is burning through his/her life savings during the process... and even if none of them work out, one would LEARN something in the process, one's SKILLS would improve, etc....

...but why bother with that when football is on? 100x easier to pick up a 12 pack, and have a little fun... and then go back to one's deadend job on Monday...

You would be surprised what you can accomplish in life when you actually bother to commit to something. That can be said for an education, a better career, acquiring skills or trade craft. All of this takes time, dedication, and commitment to accomplish. You then need to apply what you have learned, which also requires effort.

Sadly, you do not DESERVE a better life unless you actually work for it.

:2 cents:

Agreed.

When I wanted to get involved online, I had to learn HTML to do it myself, along with some basic level of design work. I made my first website all by myself by reading forums and books. It was terrible, but it did get traffic and eventually made money when I turned it into a pay site.

Not every website and idea I have ever tried has worked or been good. Like anyone successful, you have failures, learn from them, and apply that knowledge on your next plan or tweak your existing one. Again, all of this requires effort, the commitment to learn, and time to make it work. Something few are truly willing to invest. That is why many wash out in 3-6 months as a newbie.

:2 cents:

Pick up the phone and start dialing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GR6wvoPOY

Sorry to all you yanks here - Your fucked. You let China take all your jobs and industry, and now your up shit creek without a paddle.

Although im sure your new red Chinese masters will give you jobs :)

the UK holds a massive trade deficit with the rest of the world, second only to the US. In 2012, UK imports were worth $646 billion with exports valued at only $481 billion.


In recent years, the UK has run the largest trade deficits with Norway, Germany, China, Hong Kong and Netherlands. This is mainly due to increase in demand of consumer goods, a drop in UK manufacturing and a decline in local oil and gas production.


http://www.economywatch.com/world_ec...rt-import.html

and how is someone supposed to get by while trying all these ideas that apparently require no start up funds?

anyways, you guys will never understand what im trying to say or care. i'm better off working than circle jerking in these pointless conversations.

Doesn't anyone ever think that the truth might be somewhere in the middle?

You absolutely have to be self-motivated, aggressive and work really hard in order to really make it big today. This is a 1099, work for yourself world we now live in.

On the flip side, things have changed a whole lot in a few short years. Not everyone can or should be a self-starting entrepreneurial millionaire. It doesn't work. Some people are just not cut out for it and there needs to be a "general population" of workers to consume the work we all produce.

It's easy to say that kids today are pussies and lazy, and many of them are, but I'm also not sure what they should be doing with their time. Not a whole lot of jobs at Blockbuster video any more. The once-packed shopping mall in my city is now half-vacant.

The limited manufacturing we have in my area doesn't hire unskilled workers to sweep the floors for $10 an hour, they hire back the people who used to run the machines first.

What should an average person with average intelligence and average drive aspire to do these days? Be a real estate agent? Travel agent? I book on Expedia and found my house on an online MLS.

Bank teller? I haven't been to the bank in over 6 months. I do it all online and now I can even deposit my checks by taking a picture of them with my smartphone.

When I was growing up, I worked part-time at a video store for a while (renting VHS tapes) and part-time at a PRINT newspaper. If I was 15 or 16 and looking for an introductory, low-skill job... I don't know what I'd do.

Also... if I had access to PornHub at 15, I think my dick would have broken off. :1orglaugh

This is actually nice point, it is so easy to make at least upper middle class in lets say USA that it is not even funny.

greenleaf, your last post is right on the money.

That's why I am thinking that it would behoove our country to make this THE most business friendly place on Earth.

A good start would be making the United States a place that corporations would want to move BACK to and bring all those jobs that are currently overseas back to the U.S.

I'm not in the govt. or an economic guru...but there are many ways to do that.

But right now, there is such an anti-business atmosphere on the left side (you can read it in their posts that are always talking negatively about corporations) that I don't know if that's going to happen.

I do know that IF we could bring all those jobs back...giving business tax incentives for example...we could put those "average" people back to work making a decent living.

I watched it happen in the late 1990's when I lived in upstate South Carolina and BMW put a plant there to build cars.
It was non-union & the state gave them massive tax incentives.

The entire area was hurting because it used to be a textiles industry center.

But once BMW moved in...hundreds of people got high paying jobs. And the surrounding food establishments, housing, etc. all profited from it and the entire area took off economically.

If the unions in Detroit were out of the picture then the same thing would be happening for that god-forsaken place.

So it is possible. It just takes the govt. creating the correct environment for business to thrive.

Good pointers, Robbie, unfortunately more and more people are those from "47%" and they are all against "evil" corporations and against the fact that unions are bad. And politicians try to cater to majority and majority is that peasant mentality left/democrat crowd.

I don't think that unions are "bad".

But they've gotten too big and powerful and it has cost people jobs instead of creating them.

That's why these foreign car companies are able to build plants in places like Tennessee and South Carolina. And they pay top dollar to their workers AND manufacture their cars much, much cheaper than Detroit can.

I believe that unions did lot of good in the past. And they COULD do good things now. But, in the case of Detroit, MI and the U.S. automobile industry...it has been disastrous over the last few decades.

The proof is in the pudding.

Unions haven't gotten too big and powerful. They were MUCH bigger and MUCH more powerful 50 or 75 years ago.

They've just outlived their usefulness in most fields.

Unions worked before technology made it possible to get almost anyone, anywhere in the world to do the same job. It's impossible for labor to bargain when they have no bargaining power.

Except for the NFL Players Union. They can still strike and actually shut things down. :)

greenleaf you may be right about that.

Perhaps it's time for unions to "adapt or die".

I don't know if they're deliberately waging a war on the poor, as much as poverty is just a by-product of their way of doing business. Corporate greed is just one of many variables that help keep people down.

There's a few large companies that believe in treating their employees like family members, and realize that a healthy, happy worker will pay more long term dividends than just having borderline slave laborers. But most of them only think about the short term, and that means paying as little as possible, and having a constant merry-go-round of losing, and re-training new slaves.

I don't agree with everything that Henry Blodget has to say here, but this is a thought provoking article in response to the oft-repeated claim that rich people must be protected because they create all of the jobs for the little people.

http://www.businessinsider.com/rich-...e-jobs-2013-11

Toe hee!

The general idea of what you're trying to get across is this: it's hard.

Wow. Shocking. Success takes some sacrifice and struggle, who would have thought?

You can choose to go through the sacrifice, the struggle? Persevere and come out on top. Or you can use the sacrifice and the struggle as an excuse as to why you were never "lucky" enough.

The choice is all yours.