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Old 02-13-2003, 04:29 AM   #1
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What would you do? Serious question!

If you knew that a poster on a board was a convicted sex offender.... I'm talking about someone convicted of raping a child......

Would you expect the board admin to ban the person? If the admin refused to ban the asshole, would you stop posting on the board?

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Old 02-13-2003, 04:36 AM   #2
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Old 02-13-2003, 04:40 AM   #3
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... post some prove and expose him, or shut up !
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... post some prove and expose him, or shut up !
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Old 02-13-2003, 04:45 AM   #6
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funkmaster,

Who said it was a him?

Seriously....

Let's change the question a little.

What would you do with a person that rapes a child?

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Expose the fucker.
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funkmaster,

Who said it was a him?

Seriously....

Let's change the question a little.

What would you do with a person that rapes a child?

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What the fuck is this 20 questions? I feel like I'm at a ladies tea party.

In answer to your third question I would feel no guilt in killing a child rapist. In fact it would probably make my day.
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i would draw the line at killing someone

i would report the fucker straight to the cops the ppl in jail can punish him more then i could ever.
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i would draw the line at killing someone

i would report the fucker straight to the cops the ppl in jail can punish him more then i could ever.
The only problem is that these people are released back into society.
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Old 02-13-2003, 04:54 AM   #11
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Danielle... why should you stop posting at a board, just because you "know" someone that is a child rapist.. It's his/hers mistake not yours !!!

I think you know what to do, without asking us... Do what you think is right and be at peace with it !!

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"What would you do with a person that rapes a child?"

... danielle, this is a very tough question. I am the father of three kids myslef. I can´t really tell you what I would do, selfjustice would be a possible option. I hope I will never find myself in that situation. kids are our future and there are very good laws to protect them, but honestly I couldn´t tell what a suitable penalty would be ...

... to answer your very first question, I would continue posting here, but I would prefer to know the offenders nick/name ...
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Why the person should be exposed to the general board public:
Someone who posts to a board will most likely do business with the people on it. These people may be unaware of what that person did, but they will be linked to the person if it is found out by the media or anything, and thus they would suffer the consequences.

Not exposing the person may ruin other people's life
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:07 AM   #14
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The reason I have not named names is this person has not posted here for a long time. It has posted on other boards and most likely will post here again..... It was in prison for some time and now is out.....

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The reason I have not named names is this person has not posted here for a long time. It has posted on other boards and most likely will post here again..... It was in prison for some time and now is out.....

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Well, warn the crowd. People not knowing about this could get into trouble for doing business with the person.
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The reason I have not named names is this person has not posted here for a long time. It has posted on other boards and most likely will post here again..... It was in prison for some time and now is out.....

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How do you have this info?
I mean, are you 100% sure this is a fact? If you're about to let everyone know better make fucking sure you're not making a mistake. If you make a mistake you'll ruin a guys/girls reputation for good.
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:12 AM   #17
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Well, warn the crowd. People not knowing about this could get into trouble for doing business with the person.
to say the least.
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So, who is it?

Proof?
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Either post proof or shut up.

If the guy had been in prison for raping a child, I doubt if he would of had access to a computet to post on Adult Webmaster boards. Also he would of been in prison for a few years.

So show the proof or *************
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Old 02-13-2003, 05:41 AM   #23
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If the guy's already been convicted and Danielle knows his/her real name it shouldn't be difficult to check if the accusation is true. So Danielle I think you should post the info as long as you're 100% certain that you have all the facts. A person like that should NOT be involved in the sex industry! But if you are not prepared to putup I agree you should shut up
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If the guy had been in prison for raping a child, I doubt if he would of had access to a computet to post on Adult Webmaster boards. Also he would of been in prison for a few years.

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Dude, they have computers in prisons for inmates now.

havent you seen the Pen pal email criminal database sites?

plenty of criminals online.

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If you know it, and you post about it.. yet don't reveal it, in essence protecting the person.. YOU ARE JUST AS BAD.
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don't you people watch Law & Order?

This is a slippery slope.

If this person served time for this crime... well, then they are also a registered sex offender and this information is public knowledge.

I am not insensitive to what we are talking about here. No one on this board is in favor of raping children. I think we can all agree on that? Right? But this person did serve time for what they did... given the heinous nature of the act, they have to register from now until death. And of course, criminal records are a matter of public record--anyone can decide what to do or what not to do based on that knowledge.

I think it is grey whether or not to call them out, because it sets precendent as to juding the personal lives of webmasters--what this person did is atrocious and disgusting. BUT, where do you draw the line?

I am sure there is a lot of dirt if you dig into the pasts of many webmasters out there. And while 99.9% are not going to be on the level of this monstrous act, I am sure many could be misconstrued if a witch hunt were to start... and it would start. Like people in this business don't have grievances?

Furthermore, I would re-emphasize the fact that you need to be DAMN sure before saying anything, or else you will be facing a serious lawsuit for slander...

All in all, do what you think is right. But I do not think that these boards are meant to expose anyone's past (funny if you read that statement a few times and consider what we all do...lol).

None of us want sex offenders in our business... it makes us all look bad by association.

But instead of taking this upon yourself, you could always tip off law enforcement to what this person is doing now. It must violate some aspect of being a registered sex offender.

I think we have laws and a legal system for a reason, and you should go through the proper channels as opposed to launching your own revealing of this person.

Hell, even a thinly-veiled threat would probably make this person willingly disappear from this business--better to stop doing work in this field than face being pulled back into time with the authorities.

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Seriously though..

"Hey! I know a rapist, actually a CHILD RAPIST here and you might even be doing business with him or working with him. Sorry, I can't tell you who it is. But I just thought you should know."

Give us a fucking break.
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But instead of taking this upon yourself, you could always tip off law enforcement to what this person is doing now. It must violate some aspect of being a registered sex offender.
Think again.
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Obviously this person had done whatever time the legal system determined and also shown that he should be released...or not shown why he shouldn't. He's surely registered in his area. He's certainly not dealing with any children on these boards so he's not violating any parole he may have. Why worry about it? He has a right to earn a living and is much less likely to end up back in the legal system if he can. Sure you may not agree with his past, but many others don't agree with our present. There are boards we might post on where people might just as likely ask the question "If you knew a person posting here was working in the adult internet, would you expose them to the board or ban them?"
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Sounds pretty strange to me.

If this person did rape a child I'm sure he/she will be locked up for many years.

I don't think you'll have access to the internet in prison as a child raper and gfy isn't that old yet.
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Obviously this person had done whatever time the legal system determined and also shown that he should be released...or not shown why he shouldn't. He's surely registered in his area. He's certainly not dealing with any children on these boards so he's not violating any parole he may have. Why worry about it? He has a right to earn a living and is much less likely to end up back in the legal system if he can. Sure you may not agree with his past, but many others don't agree with our present. There are boards we might post on where people might just as likely ask the question "If you knew a person posting here was working in the adult internet, would you expose them to the board or ban them?"
The problem is that people on the board might do business with the person and that that could wreck their business.
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Obviously this person had done whatever time the legal system determined and also shown that he should be released...or not shown why he shouldn't. He's surely registered in his area. He's certainly not dealing with any children on these boards so he's not violating any parole he may have. Why worry about it? He has a right to earn a living and is much less likely to end up back in the legal system if he can. Sure you may not agree with his past, but many others don't agree with our present. There are boards we might post on where people might just as likely ask the question "If you knew a person posting here was working in the adult internet, would you expose them to the board or ban them?"
I mostly agree with what you said, but should someone convicted for a sex crime be working in the sex industry?
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The problem is that people on the board might do business with the person and that that could wreck their business.
How? Guilt by association? If people aren't told, they don't know. If it doesn't get in the way of whatever job he's doing, why would it matter?

Would you might by a hamburger at McDonalds if you knew someone with a prior conviction had cooked it?
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I mostly agree with what you said, but should someone convicted for a sex crime be working in the sex industry?
His sex crime was a crime against a child/children. If he's working in the child porn industry I dont think he'd be in these forums for very long. If he's working in the adult porn industry, well.. that's not what his crime was. If he'd had sex with an adult, he wouldn't of gone to jail.
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I am pretty sure I know who Danielle is talking about because this guy posted a lot on a certain amateur specific (hint, hint) board and was active in other adult webmaster resource online communities, as well as even writing some articles for adult ezines.

He was accused and convicted of having sex with an underage model (I think the model was 14?). The reason I know all this is because the guy was a call-in to my radio show WAY before anybody knew this (I didn't know either at the time) and I found this out later when many other webmasters did that the whole time he was out in the adult webmaster community pimping his "I fuck my blowup dolls" site he had this allegation and then conviction pending all along and somebody found out about the charge and exposed him.

He also posted about all this himself, admitting this, on a certain amateur specific board out there, so it is public knowledge from his own mouth. So go do some searching through a certain adult amateur board for past threads and you'll find all you need to know about this individual from his own mouth (assuming they haven't locked or removed the thread, that is).

I'm also pretty sure that he also stated that when he got out 6 months later he would have a probation that required him NOT to be anywhere near the adult business, so if he comes and starts posting you can bet that if someone tips off his probation officer he'll be back in the slammer to do some more time.

So if this is the same guy Danielle is talking about this issue is pretty much moot. He'll be violating his probation to post on adult webmaster boards!

And if this is the same guy you are talking about, Danielle, this isn't really a big secret for anybody who has been around for awhile (happened only a year or so ago), but if it is someone else, then you certainly aren't slandering him/her by being a little more forthcoming with what has already been posted.
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I don't want to buy content from a child rapist.
I don't want any transactions made between myself and a child rapist.
I don't want any affiliation that may come up at some future date that ties me or my business to a child rapist in any way.

I think we have every right to know WHO we're doing business with.
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I don't want to buy content from a child rapist.
I don't want any transactions made between myself and a child rapist.
I don't want any affiliation that may come up at some future date that ties me or my business to a child rapist in any way.

I think we have every right to know WHO we're doing business with.
So I guess you do a full background check on everyone you write a check to, who sends you a check, who emails you, who you email, etc.
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I don't want to buy content from a child rapist.
I don't want any transactions made between myself and a child rapist.
I don't want any affiliation that may come up at some future date that ties me or my business to a child rapist in any way.

I think we have every right to know WHO we're doing business with.
ditto. the fact that "we didnt know" is not going to save a persons reputation.
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How? Guilt by association? If people aren't told, they don't know. If it doesn't get in the way of whatever job he's doing, why would it matter?

Would you might by a hamburger at McDonalds if you knew someone with a prior conviction had cooked it?
Like you said yourself, many people have something against the porn industry. One thing that follows from that is that we, unfortunately, are all suspects. We can't get away with some of the things mainstream companies can get away with.

Now, imagine the person committing a sex crime again. Not unlikely, since 90% of sex offenders will do it again.
That could well get media coverage, especially when it si discovered the person has been working in porn. Would you like to be one of the companies involved in the following media scandal?
You *will* be suspected of being a cp person by many people for the rest of your life, you *will* receive death threats and the like and you *will* have major problems keeping your company alive.

Similar things have happened before, and it is not unlikely for them to happen again.
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I am pretty sure I know who Danielle is talking about because this guy posted a lot on a certain amateur specific (hint, hint) board and was active in other adult webmaster resource online communities, as well as even writing some articles for adult ezines.

He was accused and convicted of having sex with an underage model (I think the model was 14?). The reason I know all this is because the guy was a call-in to my radio show WAY before anybody knew this (I didn't know either at the time) and I found this out later when many other webmasters did that the whole time he was out in the adult webmaster community pimping his "I fuck my blowup dolls" site he had this allegation and then conviction pending all along and somebody found out about the charge and exposed him.

He also posted about all this himself, admitting this, on a certain amateur specific board out there, so it is public knowledge from his own mouth. So go do some searching through a certain adult amateur board for past threads and you'll find all you need to know about this individual from his own mouth (assuming they haven't locked or removed the thread, that is).

I'm also pretty sure that he also stated that when he got out 6 months later he would have a probation that required him NOT to be anywhere near the adult business, so if he comes and starts posting you can bet that if someone tips off his probation officer he'll be back in the slammer to do some more time.

So if this is the same guy Danielle is talking about this issue is pretty much moot. He'll be violating his probation to post on adult webmaster boards!

And if this is the same guy you are talking about, Danielle, this isn't really a big secret for anybody who has been around for awhile (happened only a year or so ago), but if it is someone else, then you certainly aren't slandering him/her by being a little more forthcoming with what has already been posted.
I believe I heard about that story.
I thought the girl was 16.
From what Daniella was posting I thought it was about a kid from 10 or so.
A friend of me had a gf from 16 years old while he was 21.
Doesn't make him a child rapist.
Having sex is different from raping.
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:25 AM   #43
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So I guess you do a full background check on everyone you write a check to, who sends you a check, who emails you, who you email, etc.
No, I don't. I can certainly state that I had no idea whatsoever if at any point it comes to being accused of working with someone who is a convicted child rapist though.

I prefaced each remark with "I don't want to.." not that "I don't". Further, I still emphasize that I think we have every right to know who we're doing business with. Don't even bring it up if you aren't going to follow-through.

We're already in a business that is somewhat risky from a legal standpoint as it is, without worrying about who we might be linked to as well. It may not matter to you, which is completely your prerogative but it obviously does matter to others and it's pretty shitty in my opinion to mention it in the first place but then not tell us about it.
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:26 AM   #44
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I think, particularly in our industry, we have to be careful who we deal with. There are prosecutors just waiting on us to fuck up, and child porn is their favorite angle. If someone is a child rapist, we need to know it, and that person needs to be isolated and distanced from the community.
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:28 AM   #45
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I believe I heard about that story.
I thought the girl was 16.
From what Daniella was posting I thought it was about a kid from 10 or so.
A friend of me had a gf from 16 years old while he was 21.
Doesn't make him a child rapist.
Having sex is different from raping.
This is about fucking a consenting 16 year old?

LOL

That is not child abuse. Hell, my own girlfriend is 16 (I'm 21).
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:29 AM   #46
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I am pretty sure I know who Danielle is talking about because this guy posted a lot on a certain amateur specific (hint, hint) board and was active in other adult webmaster resource online communities, as well as even writing some articles for adult ezines.

He was accused and convicted of having sex with an underage model (I think the model was 14?). The reason I know all this is because the guy was a call-in to my radio show WAY before anybody knew this (I didn't know either at the time) and I found this out later when many other webmasters did that the whole time he was out in the adult webmaster community pimping his "I fuck my blowup dolls" site he had this allegation and then conviction pending all along and somebody found out about the charge and exposed him.

He also posted about all this himself, admitting this, on a certain amateur specific board out there, so it is public knowledge from his own mouth. So go do some searching through a certain adult amateur board for past threads and you'll find all you need to know about this individual from his own mouth (assuming they haven't locked or removed the thread, that is).

I'm also pretty sure that he also stated that when he got out 6 months later he would have a probation that required him NOT to be anywhere near the adult business, so if he comes and starts posting you can bet that if someone tips off his probation officer he'll be back in the slammer to do some more time.

So if this is the same guy Danielle is talking about this issue is pretty much moot. He'll be violating his probation to post on adult webmaster boards!

And if this is the same guy you are talking about, Danielle, this isn't really a big secret for anybody who has been around for awhile (happened only a year or so ago), but if it is someone else, then you certainly aren't slandering him/her by being a little more forthcoming with what has already been posted.

if you've got something to say, fucking say it.
don't type out a wad of shit for ten minutes just to let everyone know you're "in the know".
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if you've got something to say, fucking say it.
don't type out a wad of shit for ten minutes just to let everyone know you're "in the know".
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Old 02-13-2003, 06:31 AM   #48
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His sex crime was a crime against a child/children. If he's working in the child porn industry I dont think he'd be in these forums for very long. If he's working in the adult porn industry, well.. that's not what his crime was. If he'd had sex with an adult, he wouldn't of gone to jail.
I accept the logic of your argument, but this guy was apparently convicted for a sexual act that seriously crossed the line, so I don't think that bodes well for how he might conduct himself in the porn industry. Furthermore, the porn industry could easily be rendered illegal overnight if we antagonise enough people. A convicted child rapist working in online porn is just the kind of thing that could turn a modest anti-porn movement into a massive one and then we're all fucked (pun intended)!

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Like you said yourself, many people have something against the porn industry. One thing that follows from that is that we, unfortunately, are all suspects. We can't get away with some of the things mainstream companies can get away with.

Now, imagine the person committing a sex crime again. Not unlikely, since 90% of sex offenders will do it again.
That could well get media coverage, especially when it si discovered the person has been working in porn. Would you like to be one of the companies involved in the following media scandal?
You *will* be suspected of being a cp person by many people for the rest of your life, you *will* receive death threats and the like and you *will* have major problems keeping your company alive.

Similar things have happened before, and it is not unlikely for them to happen again.
I already receive death threats....but....

you could say the same thing about any person convicted of any thing who's working in any industry. What about a convicted drug dealer who's out and working in the adult industry who gets busted again. Think people won't say "Well of course, it's the adult industry for ya and he was likely in cahoots with the people he worked with." What about the convicted thief, embezzler, bad check writer, etc etc. Any negative move anyone of us makes gets tossed on the group as a whole. There's no way to know who has what in their past. The businesses that reguire full background checks, do them. So far I haven't heard that the adult industry is one of them.

From what has been detailed on this board this guy did less than a year's time. I don't think your standard child molestor gets only a year's time. If it was sex with a 14 year old (now someone says 16 year old), I'm fairly certain there are some areas where that is a lesser crime. Not downplaying the act itself, but when I read the initial post, I envisioned someone who'd done several years in jail and just came out and began working in this industry...not someone who'd been in the industry, did a year's time, and is back.


btw.. in my area just a few days ago there was a 37 year old man arrested for molesting a 2 month old baby girl. He was the mother's fiance. Of all things.. the guy's father is the head of the state department of corrections.

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Old 02-13-2003, 06:32 AM   #50
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A friend of me had a gf from 16 years old while he was 21.
Doesn't make him a child rapist.
Having sex is different from raping.
Just gonna give some input on that.
I've had a 16 year old GF when I was 21.
Now I'm 23 and my gf is 19. (the same girl).
The chick is way more mature than I am, and I'm not (I was not) breaking any laws in finland. Just thought I'd point that out now.
A 16 year old isn't really a child imho. It is illegal to take pics of a girl until she's 18, but I can fuck 'em when they're 16. Fun times.
IF fucking a 16 year old is a crime in your country/state, then you shouldn't obviously do that. It would be plain stupid. If this guy did infact have sex with a willing 16 year old girl, it's not really that horrible. If the guy is well over 30 it's a bit odd, but not HORRIBLE.

If this was about raping a 16 year old, then it really doesn't matter how old the girl was... a rape is a rape. Also, if this was about a younger girl <15, then the guy should be outed.


..why make these sort of threads, if you're not about to give the guy out.. especially on GFY. don't tease.
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