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  • candyflip
    Carpe Visio
    • Jul 2002
    • 43069

    #91
    He's from my hometown, this came close to dominating yesterday's news coverage.

    It was the the lead story on the late night, non Super Bowl station's newscast.

    Spend you some brain.
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    • Jel
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2007
      • 6904

      #92
      Originally posted by dyna mo
      I've seen too many addicts voluntarily get themselves into recovery and/or rehab to agree with you. Their minds were distorted on wtfever dope or alcohol yet they decided to seek help. And also, I've seen plenty of addicts choose to go back out there after they've cleaned out.
      yeah agreed mate, but I'm saying you can't just blanket statement. I do it all the fucking time though so I'm a fine one to talk lol

      It's about that rock bottom imo, and the 'gift of desperation'. From my personal experience, and what I've heard, you always cling onto being able to control it, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Only when you are in that state of true desperation, on the edge of the precipice so to speak, comes that 'choice' to seek help - again with that word 'choice' not being quite the true sense of it being complete free will.

      Again, given that each of us is unique, and no 2 people are exactly alike, my annoyance, for lack of a better way of putting it, comes out.

      It's all good though

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      • Jel
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2007
        • 6904

        #93
        Originally posted by Paul
        ..I do agree that too many people want an excuse or something to blame for their problems.
        I agree that many do use things as excuses (poor me I drank because of blahblah situation, poor me I took heroin because of my mixed up childhood, etc etc), but there's a distinction between an excuse and a reason.

        As someone said already, the thing is to take responsibility, which is a huge move forward imo - this doesn't mean that valid reasons can be just brushed aside as merely excuses.

        As you've stated, it isn't black & white - nothing concerning human brains ever is

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        • dyna mo
          just a fucking jerk
          • Dec 2008
          • 68184

          #94
          Originally posted by Jel
          yeah agreed mate, but I'm saying you can't just blanket statement. I do it all the fucking time though so I'm a fine one to talk lol

          It's about that rock bottom imo, and the 'gift of desperation'. From my personal experience, and what I've heard, you always cling onto being able to control it, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Only when you are in that state of true desperation, on the edge of the precipice so to speak, comes that 'choice' to seek help - again with that word 'choice' not being quite the true sense of it being complete free will.

          Again, given that each of us is unique, and no 2 people are exactly alike, my annoyance, for lack of a better way of putting it, comes out.

          It's all good though
          I enjoy a good debate that maintains a modicum of respect, so no worries.

          And yes, rock-bottom, I agree. Which is probably the biggest factor in why psh died. Hard to see yourself at rock-bottom when you are considered one of the best actors of your generation and receive all the laurels that go with that.

          But again, choice is the crucial factor here. FOr me and from what I've experienced,

          choice precedes wilpower.

          Willpower is derived from personal choice.

          Whether it's willpower to inject yourself with hardcore drugs, or willpower to seek help. But the willpower to shoot up, for instance, comes after making the choice to do the drug.

          Could you fire intravenous drugs into yourself? I couldn't. And I'm an insulin junkie! I have to inject myself many times each and every day. But insulin injections are sub-cutaneous, not intravenous, big difference.

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          • badpuma
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2009
            • 245

            #95
            hey thats great

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            • BlackCrayon
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jun 2003
              • 19634

              #96
              Originally posted by Robbie
              I believe it.

              My youngest brother is an addictive personality.

              He's an alcoholic, addicted to prescription pills, cigarettes, you name it. If he tries it he will get addicted to it.

              It's the reason that 99.99% of the people can get wasted on alcohol, cocaine, pot, etc. on the weekend and then not touch it again until the next time they decide to go out and party.

              But a tiny percentage of people get hooked on it. Those are the ones with addictive personalities

              Don't think that there aren't people out there who are like that. There are. Every alcoholic in the world. Every person hooked on prescription drugs. Every person who every got addicted to heroin.

              They aren't a big percentage of people. But they do get all the publicity and ruin a good party for the rest of us. lol

              By the way, congrats to you on kicking your addictions. I played in bands most of my life and saw quite a few of my buddies die from alcoholism (livers went bad). And I had to fire a lot of guys in my band for getting hooked on stupid shit like crack and meth that pretty much rendered them useless on the road.

              I've never had that kind of addictive personality about anything. I've never tried heroin...so I can't speak on that. lol
              But I drank my first beer when I was 12, smoked my first joint the same year. Did my first line when I was 19. First hit of acid at 20.

              Never had a problem with any of them. Can take it or leave it. I still won't have a drink at my own home or anywhere that isn't a party or a bar or some other social activity.

              I might drink 3 or 4 times a month. And I can't remember the last time I drank to excess.
              If I do any recreational type party favors, it might be once every couple of months or so. And then ONLY on a weekend night when I have a hotel room and decide to burn off some steam.

              But some people aren't like that at all.

              They can't stop after a few drinks. They have to drink until they pass out.
              They can't stop after a couple of lines....they have to do it all and then find more.
              They can't just take a pain pill when they are experiencing excruciating pain and then not take any more...they have to do them all and then go "doctor shopping" to get several prescriptions from different doctors.

              But you are 100% right in my opinion about it being a personal decision.

              I've never understood all these busybodies who think THEY know what's best for YOU.
              Fuck them! lol
              or maybe they're just fuck ups who make bad decisions.
              you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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              • stickyfingerz
                Doin fine
                • Oct 2005
                • 24984

                #97
                Originally posted by TheSquealer
                I'm a douchebag because you are such an out of control idiot that you were on this very forum fighting with a middle aged, self proclaimed "Fat fucking nobody" that stole your teenage junkie girlfriend?... and you brought it all to the forum and had a massive meltdown? I'm pretty sure it was meth as I remember the issue about you buying her new teeth and seemed to think that made you entitled to her love and affection. That was perhaps the most amusing meltdown of all time, on this forum.

                Personal details? You did it right here in public, dipshit.
                And that all fucking pertains to this how? Since A. She wasn't a junky, and B. It fucking has nothing to do with this and shows you for the rotted piece of twat you are.

                Btw can you prove she was on meth or a junky? Pretty sure that is a bannable offense. She had bad enamel on her teeth actually and it had nothing to do with drugs in any regard. I didn't fix her teeth either. Would you like to continue talking?

                So apparently you actually have no clue at all.

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                • Robbie
                  Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 20960

                  #98
                  Originally posted by PR_Glen
                  actually its quite a gigantic difference and here's your example. How many casual drinkers do you know? now how many casual heroin users? Even if you know a few they don't ever stay that way believe me...
                  That's a good point....some things are more easily addictive to a greater number of people.

                  There actually ARE casual heroin users out there. Not many, but there are.

                  Nicotine is another one that is one of the MOST addictive drugs ever. Smoking cigarettes is the hardest addiction for people to quit. And that one leads you to the most horrible death you can have.

                  Alcohol...probably the second worst. For most people it's no big deal. But a lot of folks have a genetic physiological propensity to become alcoholics. I've seen so many of them in my life.

                  But in the end...it shouldn't be up to other people to COMMAND another adult person in a "free" society as to what they can and can't do with their lives.

                  At one point Heroin was 100% legal. It was invented by the Bayer company and sold over the counter at drug stores (no prescription).

                  I was listening to an interview with Al Lewis (Grandpa Munster from the old Munsters show) back when he was still alive. He was running for Mayor of some town and was a Libertarian.

                  He talked about how when he was a kid he used to go down to the drugstore for his grandmother and buy heroin for her when he was 8 years old.

                  His grandma wasn't an addict by the way. Nor where the majority of people who used it.
                  But doctors started seeing that it was becoming habit forming and the next thing you know...the U.S. Govt. stepped in (in all of it's wisdom) and made it ILLEGAL.

                  What happened next? The percentage of junkies ROSE, and they created an entire new revenue stream for organized crime.
                  -Robbie
                  ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                  • Nydahl
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 6655

                    #99
                    as he was getting older his acting skills were better. I liked this guy.
                    RIP Philip
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                    • TheSquealer
                      Mayor of Thneedville
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 26172

                      #100
                      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                      And that all fucking pertains to this how? Since A. She wasn't a junky, and B. It fucking has nothing to do with this and shows you for the rotted piece of twat you are.

                      Btw can you prove she was on meth or a junky? Pretty sure that is a bannable offense. She had bad enamel on her teeth actually and it had nothing to do with drugs in any regard. I didn't fix her teeth either. Would you like to continue talking?

                      So apparently you actually have no clue at all.
                      The most embarrassing thing that could ever happen to a reasonable, well adjusted person would be to have that thread bumped. But you're a sociopath and you're not really capable of understanding when you are being made fun of and when you look stupid to others and you don't understand what it's like to feel embarrassment and shame and you'll never stop lying and trying to manipulate and downplay the facts, if you think you are "winning".


                      What a surprise that you don't really post here at all anymore after being laughed out of the business.. but feel the overwhelming need to chime in about drug addiction and drug laws. Hmm..................
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                      • Marcus Aurelius
                        No Refunds Issued.
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 14809

                        #101
                        welsome back stinky

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                        • Robbie
                          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 20960

                          #102
                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                          or maybe they're just fuck ups who make bad decisions.
                          Nope...everybody makes "bad decisions".
                          I've had some of the funnest times in my life making "bad decisions" on the weekend.

                          But people with addictive personalities aren't partying and having fun. They are in a spiral and out of control. I've seen it.

                          You aren't partying and having a good time when you are sitting all alone in a room shooting heroin, or popping Oxycontin like candy, or drinking bottles of liquor.

                          My idea of "bad decisions" is getting a room at a casino here in Vegas (so I don't have to drive anywhere) and then getting shit faced and acting stupid and fucking. Then waking up the next day with a hangover regretting it and getting back to "real life"

                          I don't think it works that way for people who are addicted to alcohol, prescription pills, etc.
                          -Robbie
                          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                          • NETbilling
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 8598

                            #103
                            It sucks but I am less sensitive than I used to be for people with drug addictions who off themselves.

                            He was a good actor but it always urked me a bit that him and others feel they have to use their middle names to be referred to.... what was wrong with just Philip Hoffman?

                            RIP druggy


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                            • CaptainHowdy
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 94726

                              #104
                              I do not mourn celebritries ...

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                              • kane
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Aug 2001
                                • 20684

                                #105
                                Originally posted by NETbilling
                                It sucks but I am less sensitive than I used to be for people with drug addictions who off themselves.

                                He was a good actor but it always urked me a bit that him and others feel they have to use their middle names to be referred to.... what was wrong with just Philip Hoffman?

                                RIP druggy
                                Actually a lot of the time with the middle name thing it is about the SAG union. They can only have one person with a specific name in the union. If there was already a Phillip Hoffman they may have made him use his middle name. Then, legally, any film has to bill him as Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

                                I don't know if that is the case with him, but I know with some actors it is. It is why Michael J. Fox uses the J.

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