Two Executives of Bitcoin Businesses Are Arrested

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  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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    • Jul 2004
    • 38323

    #16
    Originally posted by NEW XTC

    First of all there is no such thing as an "Executive of Bitcoin" Anyone can start a Bitcoin exchange and break the law, or follow the law - just like a trader in any other investment vehicle.

    You people don't know anything about Bitcoin if you think there is anything the US Gov can do to stop it.

    Price hasn't dropped at all since the news broke


    Read the entire sentence, "Executives of Bitcoin Businesses".

    As for the innocence/guilt of the two prominent people arrested today, I guess they will be able to argue their case in front of a judge:



    According to the allegations contained in the Criminal Complaint unsealed today in Manhattan federal court:

    From about December 2011 to October 2013, FAIELLA ran an underground Bitcoin exchange on the Silk Road website, a website that served as a sprawling and anonymous black market bazaar where illegal drugs of virtually every variety were bought and sold regularly by the site?s users.

    Operating under the username ?BTCKing,? FAIELLA sold Bitcoins ? the only form of payment accepted on Silk Road ? to users seeking to buy illegal drugs on the site. Upon receiving orders for Bitcoins from Silk Road users, he filled the orders through a company based in New York, New York (the ?Company?).

    The Company was designed to enable customers to exchange cash for Bitcoins anonymously, that is, without providing any personal identifying information, and it charged a fee for its service. FAIELLA obtained Bitcoins with the Company?s assistance, and then sold the Bitcoins to Silk Road users at a markup.

    SHREM is the Chief Executive Officer of the Company, and from about August 2011 until about July 2013, when the Company ceased operating, he was also its Compliance Officer, in charge of ensuring the Company?s compliance with federal and other anti-money laundering (?AML?) laws. SHREM is also the Vice Chairman of a foundation dedicated to promoting the Bitcoin virtual currency system.

    SHREM, who personally bought drugs on Silk Road, was fully aware that Silk Road was a drug-trafficking website, and through his communications with FAIELLA, SHREM also knew that FAIELLA was operating a Bitcoin exchange service for Silk Road users.

    Nevertheless, SHREM knowingly facilitated FAIELLA?s business with the Company in order to maintain FAIELLA?s business as a lucrative source of Company revenue.

    SHREM knowingly allowed FAIELLA to use the Company?s services to buy Bitcoins for his Silk Road customers; personally processed FAIELLA?s orders; gave FAIELLA discounts on his high-volume transactions; failed to file a single suspicious activity report with the United States Treasury Department about FAIELLA?s illicit activity, as he was otherwise required to do in his role as the Company?s Compliance Officer; and deliberately helped FAIELLA circumvent the Company?s AML restrictions, even though it was SHREM?s job to enforce them and even though the Company had registered with the Treasury Department as a money services business.

    Working together, SHREM and FAIELLA exchanged over $1 million in cash for Bitcoins for the benefit of Silk Road users, so that the users could, in turn, make illegal purchases on Silk Road.


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    • Jman
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      • Sep 2003
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      #17
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      • adultmobile
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        • Nov 2003
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        #18
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        • Lykos
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          • Apr 2003
          • 31032

          #19
          I don't think it has anything with bitcoins itself !

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          • NEW XTC
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            • Jun 2010
            • 738

            #20
            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
            Read the entire sentence, "Executives of Bitcoin Businesses".


            ADG
            ADG do you actually know anything about Bitcoin? Why are you laughing? (above) - for people who understand BTC it's very obvious that your laugh of smug self satisfaction is actually just ignorance.

            I could be an "Executive of Bitcoin Business" in less time than it takes to wash a car. Do you understand that these guys have nothing to do with the actual Bitcoin System? They are just guys like you or me who TRADE BTC (and exchange it into currencies).

            People can use BTC legally - or use it to break the law - these guys are just USERS of BTC - if there is any impact (price drop) on BTC from these arrests it will only be if the exchange they are running goes down and they deal with enough volume to cause a disruption (probably won't cause a ripple) I sure hope this bust causes a crash - it will only be a BUY opportunity.

            Now watch this:

            Thats a real laugh - one that comes from knowledge, laughing at ignorance.
            Last edited by NEW XTC; 01-27-2014, 05:57 PM.
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            • jscott
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              • Feb 2001
              • 25411

              #21
              Funny how people attacking bitcoin as if it was the problem. This arrest was based on 1 guys bad decisions. It's like if US dollar was being attacked because of Kenneth Lay and the Enron scandal LOL
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              • NEW XTC
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                • Jun 2010
                • 738

                #22
                Originally posted by jscott
                Funny how people attacking bitcoin as if it was the problem. This arrest was based on 1 guys bad decisions. It's like if US dollar was being attacked because of Kenneth Lay and the Enron scandal LOL
                Well said.

                It's goes deeper - the press coverage of this is obviously slanted to fool people like ADG into thinking these guys are actually involved or in control of Bitcoin. The financial sector has a lot of status quo players who will jump on anything that may undermine confidence in cryptos.

                BTC has a very precarious confidence curve still (that will go away eventually) - so anything even slightly threatening to the system will cause a crash in confidence (and price) - these guys getting arrest won't slow the train down one bit.
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                • Wellness Cash
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                  • Nov 2013
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by NEW XTC
                  Well said.

                  It's goes deeper - the press coverage of this is obviously slanted to fool people like ADG into thinking these guys are actually involved or in control of Bitcoin. The financial sector has a lot of status quo players who will jump on anything that may undermine confidence in cryptos.

                  BTC has a very precarious confidence curve still (that will go away eventually) - so anything even slightly threatening to the system will cause a crash in confidence (and price) - these guys getting arrest won't slow the train down one bit.
                  Exactly, if anything it just opens up the market to a better, more well managed exchange.

                  Every time an exchange or BTC business gets harassed, it lets those looking to get into the business know the type of things to avoid painting a bull's-eye on their forehead inadvertently.
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                  • TheSquealer
                    Mayor of Thneedville
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 26172

                    #24
                    You can keep saying "you don't understand BTC... so therefore,...." but that means absolutely nothing because you clearly don't understand the international banking system.

                    I understand international banking and commerce and anyone who has to do business globally, runs or has ran entities in multiple countries, has to deal in multiple currencies and moves a lot of money around, understands fully that no country is going to allow a fully anonymous currency enabling people to launder money, buy and sell illegal weapons, evade taxes, hire people to kill their wives, buy and sell illegal drugs and fund terrorism.

                    Countries are slowly clamping down on it and ultimately, it can at best, only exist outside the banking system and with no possibility of it being exchanged into hard currency, otherwise, anonymity will have to go. There are no other possible outcomes.

                    Thinking otherwise, is just beyond incredibly naive and wishful thinking... and outright delusional and something only someone who doesn't understand the controls and monitoring that goes on in banking and why those rules, laws and regulations and complete and total financial cooperation between nations, exist.
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                    • TheSquealer
                      Mayor of Thneedville
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 26172

                      #25
                      Additionally, you guys have no idea what it means for the US State Department to put any foreign bank on the list of money laundering institutions. They are effectively fucked, can get all their assets frozen in any cooperating nation, effectively cannot transact business in Dollars, other cooperating nations join in like the EU/GB etc and do the same and exert the same pressures. They don't remove the bank from that list until their own auditors have flown to their tiny little shit hole in Eastern Shittystan and inspect every record, every account holder and every single cent that is in the bank or that has moved through it. You can't hide in the banking world anymore. 9/11 changed everything. You can only "not get caught".
                      Last edited by TheSquealer; 01-27-2014, 07:44 PM.
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                      • NEW XTC
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                        • Jun 2010
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Wellness Cash
                        Exactly, if anything it just opens up the market to a better, more well managed exchange.

                        Every time an exchange or BTC business gets harassed, it lets those looking to get into the business know the type of things to avoid painting a bull's-eye on their forehead inadvertently.
                        Exactly - funny how the nay sayers were jumping up and down when China put the brakes on how their citizens could legally buy or sell BTC - "China bans Bitcoin! Party's over!" "It's crashing!" haha yea right - China's new regs are the reason it hasn't dipped below 900 since.
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                        • NEW XTC
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                          • Jun 2010
                          • 738

                          #27
                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                          Countries are slowly clamping down on it and ultimately, it can at best, only exist outside the banking system and with no possibility of it being exchanged into hard currency, otherwise, anonymity will have to go. There are no other possible outcomes.

                          Thinking otherwise, is just beyond incredibly naive and wishful thinking... and outright delusional and something only someone who doesn't understand the controls and monitoring that goes on in banking and why those rules, laws and regulations and complete and total financial cooperation between nations, exist.
                          wow I have heard a lot of blanket statements about the future of Bitcoin but this takes the cake. You're ALL IN Squealer...what are you going to do when your wild opinion never comes to fruition...don't hang yourself but no one will blame you if you do.

                          Who's delusional coming in here implying that Bitcoin exists anywhere BUT outside the banking system - "anonymity will have to go" that's full tard man - major exchanges that are regulated are not anonymous now (mtgox)... and you're totally overlooking that anyone anywhere can buy or sell person to person for cash (or pay though any other digital means (pay pal etc)...countries are "clamping down"? quite the opposite actually - regulations only help BTC not hurt.
                          Last edited by NEW XTC; 01-27-2014, 08:38 PM.
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                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                            Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 38323

                            #28
                            Originally posted by NEW XTC

                            ADG do you actually know anything about Bitcoin? Why are you laughing? (above) - for people who understand BTC it's very obvious that your laugh of smug self satisfaction is actually just ignorance.

                            I could be an "Executive of Bitcoin Business" in less time than it takes to wash a car. Do you understand that these guys have nothing to do with the actual Bitcoin System? They are just guys like you or me who TRADE BTC (and exchange it into currencies).

                            People can use BTC legally - or use it to break the law - these guys are just USERS of BTC - if there is any impact (price drop) on BTC from these arrests it will only be if the exchange they are running goes down and they deal with enough volume to cause a disruption (probably won't cause a ripple) I sure hope this bust causes a crash - it will only be a BUY opportunity.

                            Now watch this:

                            Thats a real laugh - one that comes from knowledge, laughing at ignorance.


                            Did you bother to check the background of the two individuals arrested?

                            They were not simply some losers with a few bitcoins (like so many ignorant GFY bitcoin cheerleaders, and crypto-anarchist wannabes).

                            NEW YORK — The federal government has arrested one of the biggest names in the bitcoin community in the latest crackdown on digital currencies and their illicit use.

                            Charlie Shrem, chief executive of digital currency exchange BitInstant, stands accused with a Florida man of laundering money through a notorious drug-trafficking website.

                            Shrem is also vice chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation, a nonprofit group aimed at promoting the digital currency.
                            Not only is Shrem prominent in the digital currency world, but so are two backers of his company: Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, the twins famous for alleging that Facebook was their idea.

                            The Winklevosses have also been trying to win regulatory approval for a financial vehicle that would enable ordinary investors to cash in on bitcoins, whose value has skyrocketed over the last year.

                            Federal prosecutors also accused Shrem and Faiella of sidestepping regulations aimed at keeping criminal proceeds out of the financial system.
                            Shrem, also the chief compliance officer of BitInstant, allegedly knew the purpose of Faiella's exchanges. In addition, the government says, Shrem himself bought drugs on Silk Road.

                            Shrem was also charged with alleged willful failure to file a suspicious activity report with regulators related to Faiella's numerous bitcoin purchases conducted through his exchange.

                            "Truly innovative business models don't need to resort to old-fashioned law-breaking, and when bitcoins, like any traditional currency, are laundered and used to fuel criminal activity, law enforcement has no choice but to act," said Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, whose office brought the case. "We will aggressively pursue those who would co-opt new forms of currency for illicit purposes."
                            This is a big story whether you want it to be or not. I can't say whether it will directly impact the price of BTC today, however it appears certain to have an impact into the future as government investigations into Bitcoin widen and deepen.



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                            • NEW XTC
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                              • Jun 2010
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                              #29
                              ADG your post just confirms that you have not the slightest grasp of what Bitcoin is "government investigations" into what...Bitcoin??? or Criminals - haha no there is no "investigation" into Bitcoin - but thats not surprising, in all my dealings with people - never have I talked to a nay sayer that has the slightest clue as to what Bitcoin actually is from a technical standpoint.

                              You should study a little before regurgitating some talking points that have been spoon fed to you from people with an agenda.
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                              • TheSquealer
                                Mayor of Thneedville
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 26172

                                #30
                                Originally posted by NEW XTC
                                major exchanges that are regulated are not anonymous now (mtgox)...
                                Right... transactions on MTGOX can't be anonymous and must adhere to US Government regulations because that is what is required to be legitimate and survive. Even then, there is still no guarantee of a future. No country has to allow Bitcoins or for any business to be done in Bitcoins... particularly if they aren't going to adhere to the insane amount of laws governing currency, banking, investments, taxes and so on. Ultimately, it will all have to be regulated or it will be destroyed. Not a tough concept to grasp. It will never survive as an "anonymous" currency.

                                And PayPal is hardly anonymous - seems you're just making shit up as you go.
                                Last edited by TheSquealer; 01-27-2014, 09:12 PM.
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