30-year-old man dies in ER waiting room

[Sly]

Bizarre, to say the least.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1591629

[~Ray]

shitty way to die

[DBS.US]

Obama Care will fix that

[Rochard]

While this is horrible and tragic... I'm confused. The family seems to be quick to blame the hospital, but if he was sick enough to go to the ER why didn't someone in his family go with him?

[mikesouth]

theres a lot left out here i didnt see anywhere what the cause of death was, i did see they checked his vitals...which makes sense...rule out an allergic reaction.


Wanna bet he was one of those young people that thought he didnt need insurance?

You want to blame someone blame the people who use ER facilities as primary care because they know they cant be turned away cuz they dont have insurance or cant pay

[myjah]

All hospitals need more staff.

Most people don't need ER care and they are clogging the system with minor ailments because the ER does not turn you away if you don't have insurance.

Have you gone to the ER on Sunday night or Monday morning? It's FULL of people looking for a pain RX and a note to skip work.

He had a rash. In medical terms that's not life threatening. There has to be more to his illness and this story.

[myjah]

Originally Posted by Rochard

While this is horrible and tragic... I'm confused. The family seems to be quick to blame the hospital, but if he was sick enough to go to the ER why didn't someone in his family go with him?

Obviously his family are horrible people.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by myjah

Obviously his family are horrible people.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by myjah

Obviously his family are horrible people.

I'm not saying his family is horrible people at all. But why would you allow a family member to go to ER alone? Ever? Common sense tells you that someone who is in enough pain or in a life threatening circumstance bad enough to go to the ER should have had someone there with him for support or at least a ride home.

If they had done that he would be alive today.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by myjah

He had a rash. In medical terms that's not life threatening. There has to be more to his illness and this story.

Rashes can be life threatening in and of themselves and/or a symptom of a life threatening disease.

This happens in Canadian ER's more than brainwashed Canadians know.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I'm not saying his family is horrible people at all. But why would you allow a family member to go to ER alone? Ever? Common sense tells you that someone who is in enough pain or in a life threatening circumstance bad enough to go to the ER should have had someone there with him for support or at least a ride home.

If they had done that he would be alive today.

As already mentioned in this thread, people go to the ER for anything and everything. In this case, a rash, which most people would find pretty harmless unless they knew he was allergic.

I have been to the ER multiple times and did not tell my family before or after.

[myjah]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Rashes can be life threatening in and of themselves and/or a symptom of a life threatening disease.

This happens in Canadian ER's more than brainwashed Canadians know.

A generic rash with no other symptoms isn't cause for a second look. This is a half story at best so all the details can't be determined. It's complicated also...there can be some rashes/ailments that are not common that the check-in/front office staff couldn't identify and most likely even the doctor may have difficulty. But these are the 1 in a billion medical cases that aren't common. And this case sounds uncommon as well....interested to see more details.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Rashes can be life threatening in and of themselves and/or a symptom of a life threatening disease.

This happens in Canadian ER's more than brainwashed Canadians know.

probably an allergic reaction in the op's link. it can be fatal in a matter of minutes.

[dyna mo]

From the article- his family poisoned him with a deadly toxin bought on silkroad via bitcoins so they could sue the hospital and cash in to buy more bitcoin.

Probably his mother was the mastermind, a black widow.

that would explain the rash and why the 30 year old man wasn't accompanyied to the er by family/

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Sly

I have been to the ER multiple times and did not tell my family before or after.

But that's a huge part of the problem right there - If you were able to drive yourself to and from the ER, did you really need to go to the ER?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But that's a huge part of the problem right there - If you were able to drive yourself to and from the ER, did you really need to go to the ER?

I've walked to the ER and was immediately accepted in after having my vitals checked and within hours in the hospital with a doctor scheduling surgery ASAP.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But that's a huge part of the problem right there - If you were able to drive yourself to and from the ER, did you really need to go to the ER?

Both times I could barely breathe. I don't know what your litmus test is for going to the ER, but I passed my litmus test.

I didn't drive either. I'm pimp like that.

[Jel]

lol at it being the guy's fault, and his family's. holy fucking shit lol

[Vendzilla]

I went to the ER by ambulance back in November. In 2 hours, they did a chest xray, Cat scan, blood test and urine test. I was released with a list of drugs to pick up. All in 2 hours.
Turned out to be a 24 hour thing that was painful as hell, they took care of the pain first!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Jel

lol at it being the guy's fault, and his family's. holy fucking shit lol

x800000000000

[Vendzilla]

Remember, Obamacare only says you are covered, that doesn't mean you will get care!

[beerptrol]

There are some pretty shitty hospitals with shitty staff out there

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But that's a huge part of the problem right there - If you were able to drive yourself to and from the ER, did you really need to go to the ER?

Seen a dude drive with One Hand, the other hand was in a Cooler.

He mixed drinking and a band saw..

[Mutt]

My dad drove an hour and a half while having a heart attack, tons of people in very serious health situations drive to the hospital themselves.

[Jel]

so this guy went to ER, correct? Alone? And someone is asking whether someone who went to ER alone really needed to go to ER?

And not only that, but if he did need to, why? And that somehow it was - wait, I can't type the rest of this out, I'm lol'ing too hard

[myjah]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

From the article- his family poisoned him with a deadly toxin bought on silkroad via bitcoins so they could sue the hospital and cash in to buy more bitcoin.

Probably his mother was the mastermind, a black widow.

that would explain the rash and why the 30 year old man wasn't accompanyied to the er by family/

Like I said, his family are horrible people, no doubt

[Barry-xlovecam]

Wait for the autopsy results?

The whole story seems weird to me. That said, an ER in the Bronx?

The hospital near me, and the one I prefer (suburban private non-profit), does not have many people using the ER for non emergency primary care. Go into the ER at the city hospital or the for profit in the city and that is not the case.

We need more urgent care clinics open 6 am until Midnight to triage emergency primary care: bad cold or flu, severe headache, minor traumas like a few sutures to a minor laceration.

From the urgent care clinics they could refer patients with real ER needs.

The healthcare delivery system in the USA is fucked up for a lot of reasons. Obamacare has nothing to do with that. The jury is out in my mind if more people will see doctors in their offices and have chronic illness treated better but as for real trauma or urgent care that category will change little.

You don't treat breaking a bone or needing sutures for a laceration (stitches) at your primary care doctor's appointment that you may wait a week or 10 days for. The automated phone answering system at some of my doctors' offices starts with ''If this is an emergency call 911 or visit your nearest hospital ER room for immediate care'' -- what they don't say is that it will take us a week or two to see you ... This just exacerbates the problem increasing ER usage -- many people will not wait a week for some help with a severe cold or flu.

A network of urgent care clinics would lower costs, increase efficiencies and improve patient outcomes.

We have urgent care clinics around here and I used one a few years ago when I cut myself and needed a few stitches. The bill was $450 with a head X-ray the injury was to my scalp. If I had gone to the ER I would have waited some and been charged $1,000+ for the same services -- they would have done a CAT scan and ran the bill up (possible minor concussion).

Urgent care needs of the uninsured and the illegal aliens could be handled in a less costly manner at area (neighborhood) urgent care clinics. The problem is finding qualified staff.

Urgent care clinics should allow physicians to work off their education loans at these clinics. 5 years of on-the-job-supervised-experience -- public service work credits for loans applied to their salaries. Even go as far as recruiting and allowing qualified foreign physicians and medical workers to come to America practice their profession with a temporary competency certificate pending full licensure . The problem is the vested interests that do not want the competition.

And that is why the money spent and the outcomes of healthcare in the USA is on the low-end of the developed world charts -- we spend money needlessly.

[EddyTheDog]

He is a young guy that did not go to ER with just a rash - My bet is that he felt like shit when he decided to go to an ER and died of septicemia - Possibly meningitis...

[myjah]

Let's overstaff all the hospital ER's - or even the Urgent Care's - fuck it, might as well overstaff the regular primary physicians offices so that anyone who wants medical attention can get it ASAP - no worry about insurance, medical coverage, etc.

Because working hard to cover medical insurance and do things the RIGHT way are totally ridiculous. My children have to wait hours for medical attention at the primary care physician, the Urgent Care AND the Emergency room because there is no special attention for those of us who actually pay our expenses - such as medical insurance - as we are morally/ethically inclined to.

I would have had to wait the same amount of time to be seen for a rash as he did.

Yes the system is fucked up. But more importantly our SOCIETY is fucked up.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by myjah

Let's overstaff all the hospital ER's - or even the Urgent Care's - fuck it, might as well overstaff the regular primary physicians offices so that anyone who wants medical attention can get it ASAP - no worry about insurance, medical coverage, etc.

Because working hard to cover medical insurance and do things the RIGHT way are totally ridiculous. My children have to wait hours for medical attention at the primary care physician, the Urgent Care AND the Emergency room because there is no special attention for those of us who actually pay our expenses - such as medical insurance - as we are morally/ethically inclined to.

I would have had to wait the same amount of time to be seen for a rash as he did.

Yes the system is fucked up. But more importantly our SOCIETY is fucked up.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the guy was in a ER and the rash was a sign of a terminal illness - He was seen by staff that missed it - That is a fuck up...

[myjah]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the guy was in a ER and the rash was a sign of a terminal illness - He was seen by staff that missed it - That is a fuck up...

Did we read the same article?

WAIT - I thought you weren't posting here anymore. Please don't feel the need to come out of retirement to reply to me.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I am not happy about paying for my healthcare insurance and not getting immediate service either. However, that is just the way it is here.

We could lighten the burden by eliminating Medicare and refusing to provide emergency medical service to the uninsured.

The majority of Medicaid recipients and uninsured people are not driving new autos and living in nice suburban homes -- they are not in that predicament by choice. Many of them lead a shit life so not to extend that life unnecessarily would be right by that logic ...

There are a lot of ne'er-do-wells in society many do serve a useful function then a lot would be better off soylent green? When I say this I think back to some of the construction laborers that worked for me years ago -- bids were depressed by the market and there was no profit for benefits. I paid them $10 - $12 /hr 20 years ago and they were able to pay their rent and get drunk or stoned. Tough life but many of those guys are the uninsured. People who work but barely make it ... But I didn't have to push the wheelbarrow so they were useful members of society to me.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by myjah

Did we read the same article?

I assume we read the same article - What did I miss that you saw?..

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Sly

I have been to the ER multiple times and did not tell my family before or after.

ER's suck; why would I want to force someone to sit thru that shit?

Originally Posted by Rochard

But that's a huge part of the problem right there - If you were able to drive yourself to and from the ER, did you really need to go to the ER?

Did I need to go to the ER?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by baddog

ER's suck; why would I want to force someone to sit thru that shit?





Did I need to go to the ER?

To be fair you shouldn't have driven in that state - but, yes you needed to be in the ER...

[myjah]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I assume we read the same article - What did I miss that you saw?..

More importantly - what are you seeing that nobody else does?

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the guy was in a ER and the rash was a sign of a terminal illness - He was seen by staff that missed it - That is a fuck up...

Originally Posted by myjah

Did we read the same article?

WAIT - I thought you weren't posting here anymore. Please don't feel the need to come out of retirement to reply to me.

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

I assume we read the same article - What did I miss that you saw?..

Originally Posted by myjah

More importantly - what are you seeing that nobody else does?

The rash was obviously a symptom of his terminal illness - He was in an ER and had been seen by by staff - They fucked up...

[myjah]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

The rash was obviously a symptom of his terminal illness - He was in an ER and had been seen by by staff - They fucked up...

Obviously. The rash was a sign of his impending death and in addition his family are completely horrible people.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by myjah

Obviously. The rash was a sign of his impending death and in addition his family are completely horrible people.

I don't know his family - They may be horrid people...

The rash was obviously a sign 'of his impending death' - One of the few things that could kill a 30 year old that quickly is septicemia - One of the first signs is a rash...

30 year olds don't often just drop dead for zero reason - It's much more likely the rash was a sign something more serious was going on and they fucked up.....

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

ER's suck; why would I want to force someone to sit thru that shit?





Did I need to go to the ER?

next time turn the ceiling fan off b4 trying to change the light bulb! j/k!

[Barry-xlovecam]

Why would just a rash be a sign of a impeding death?

If there are no other symptoms -- high fever, swelling, allergic reaction signs?

The say they took his vitals and made a cursory visual observation ...

Like I say, there has got to be more to the story -- wait for autopsy results.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why would just a rash be a sign of a impeding death?

If there are no other symptoms -- high fever, swelling, allergic reaction signs?

The say they took his vitals and made a cursory visual observation ...

Like I say, there has got to be more to the story -- wait for autopsy results.

I agree, wait for the autopsy.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why would just a rash be a sign of a impeding death?

If there are no other symptoms -- high fever, swelling, allergic reaction signs?

The say they took his vitals and made a cursory visual observation ...

Like I say, there has got to be more to the story -- wait for autopsy results.

a rash/hives is a sign. my son ate some pineapple within like 5 minutes he was covered in the hives

[Barry-xlovecam]

In sepsis, blood pressure drops, resulting in shock. Major organs and body systems, including the kidneys, liver, lungs, and central nervous system, stop working properly because of poor blood flow.

A change in mental status and very fast breathing may be the earliest signs of sepsis.

In general, symptoms of sepsis can include:

Chills
Confusion or delirium
Fever or low body temperature (hypothermia)
Light-headedness due to low blood pressure
Rapid heartbeat
Shaking
Skin rash
Warm skin

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhe...sease.symptoms

But they say his vitals were normal -- there is less than the truth to the story -- that is obvious.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

a rash/hives is a sign. my son ate some pineapple within like 5 minutes he was covered in the hives

Cause - effect. A food allergic reaction. That make sense.
So, no one asked this guy in the Bronx what he ate? That could be possible.

But was your son unable to breath or going into convulsions? In other words some life threatening reaction. Hives alone might be scary but not fatal if that is the entire scope of the reaction.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Why would just a rash be a sign of a impeding death?

If there are no other symptoms -- high fever, swelling, allergic reaction signs?

The say they took his vitals and made a cursory visual observation ...

Like I say, there has got to be more to the story -- wait for autopsy results.

So this 30 year old just walked into an ER with a rash and then randomly dropped dead of something unrelated?..

You don't go to an ER with itchy bollocks - He was sick when he entered ER and died - They missed something.....

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by ~Ray

shitty way to die

Actually that would depend on one's perspective.

Assuming of course that the deceased was without insurance, this is precisely the sort of outcome that brings 'em to their feet cheering at Tea Party rallies.
..

[Rochard]

Sorry, I don't care what any of you say - it's just common sense to me that if you are in enough pain or in a life threatening situation which leads to you going into the ER, you shouldn't be driving, and you shouldn't be alone.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhe...sease.symptoms

But they say his vitals were normal -- there is less than the truth to the story -- that is obvious.

It doesn't happen in that order - It's why if you have a child that gets an unexplained rash you take them straight to the ER...

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Cause - effect. A food allergic reaction. That make sense.
So, no one asked this guy in the Bronx what he ate? That could be possible.

But was your son unable to breath or going into convulsions? In other words some life threatening reaction. Hives alone might be scary but not fatal if that is the entire scope of the reaction.

he did have breathing issues we hopped in the car and flew to the er