The big question though is, How could we have provided those 30 million with health care without fucking up everyone that was already covered.

All I hear and read about is how grateful those that didn't have insurance are, and how those that had insurance are either getting dropped or paying to much.

Seems the better thing would have been to address the problem of the uninsured and leave the insured alone. No?


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Funny that the one time the funneling of billions of dollars actually helps the poor people get insurance, people get all mad and complain about it to no end..

Meanwhile the same people never gave it a second thought about the funneling of money to defense contractors for either the Iraq war or Afghan war.. When Obamacare cost adds up to 5 trillion dollars please speak up because that's how much both those wars have cost us. Give or take a trillion.

"obamacare" is pointless as long as the insurance companies are still in charge. i am just a simpleton but it seems to me that there needs to be set prices across the board for all insurance providers and breakdowns of how these prices are reached. the pubic deserves to know what they are paying for.

like i said before the only good thing about it is insurance companies can't deny people based on pre existing conditions however if all they do is jack up everyone's premiums to cover the cost of these people, thats not going to work.

I agree that it would be nice to have more tax dollars going to healthcare instead of tanks.

Forcing everyone to buy insurance is just corporate welfare for the insurance industry because the AIG bailout wasn't enough. Insurance is not healthcare.

how do they calculate all that? :)

25% of the uninsured are small business owners and they are mostly just going to get fined. Big business is even exempt from paying proper fines, if they fail to provide insurance, but small and medium businesses are not. At least in the State of California, if your business grosses any remotely reasonable amount, you do not qualify for help, but it seems you can be fined for not being able to afford insurance. Medi-cal is based on gross and not net.

You haven't been to the VA lately, they are organized far better than any healthcare system there is in the US.

I see the same doctor each time I go. She follows up with a secure email system. I can get refills on their website and they ship directly to my address. When I get an appointment for say 1 pm, I'm talking to the doctor by 1:15 at the latest.

Couple months ago, I had a really bad pain in my gut, I went to the VA. It's not a hospital there so they got me an ambulance in less than 10 minutes and they took me to a regular hospital. Everything paid for by the VA. Turned out to be a virus and I was better the next day.

Unlike what people will have to go thru because of government bureaucracy and Obamacare broken promises.

Obamacare isn't about healthcare, it's about healthcare insurance

hard to control a free market with price fixing

having a small biz is very difficult for sure....

No, the private insurance companies now receive public govt. money to give 30million insurance and to also show a profit to their stockholders, the healthcare is secondary and most have pretty high deductibles. It's a bigger mess then before.

.... think about what you have said... the gov obviously did not TAKE your money and give it away .. pretty sure had you been affected other than getting shit for free you would be crying like a baby :2 cents:

He is ALREADY Paying a HIGHER Monthly Amount. Why would he Want to pay even Higher????

Here are the Numbers From CNN 13 Jan 2014
We also do not know how many have PAID of the 2.1 million signed up. They wont say, so I am guessing it is LOW.

6 Million
But the numbers are somewhat misleading. Here are the figures:

-- 2.1 million Americans signed up for private health insurance through the federal and state exchanges through the end of December.

-- 3.9 million people learned they're eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) in October and November.

The squishiness lies in the Medicaid number. The 3.9 million figure includes people who were already on Medicaid and are just renewing, as Marilyn Tavenner, the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services noted in a blog post late last month. So not all of these folks have coverage due to Obamacare.
Still, other administration officials have touted the 6 million enrollment number and have not mentioned that some of these people were already in Medicaid

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/13/news...care-coverage/

Why do Obamacare for you already had insurance?

its not price fixing if the government or an impartial third party puts maximums of what can legally be charged.

Can't speak for OP, but the existence of Obamacare has caused many people's premiums to go up, with the insurance companies using Obamacare to justify raising prices, discontinuing plans, changes coverage, etc.

Some people don't mind because they think they are helping those less fortunate, even though they mostly are not.

Obamacare has actually worked out pretty well for me. Before this I only had what is called a catastrophic policy because I have asthma and couldn't get regular insurance (since I work for myself). Since I'm on old fart of 42, under Obamacare I am too old to keep my catastrophic plan (which sucked anyway since it didn't cover doctor visits, medicine or anything that wasn't life threatening) so it was canceled. I went onto the exchanges and had about 30-40 choices. I picked a decent silver plan and ended up paying about $75 per month more than I was with my catastrophic plan, but this new plan covers prescriptions, doctor visits and more. So I am spending more for the insurance, but after my deductible is met ($2,000) I will actually be saving about $300 per month on medication costs not to mention going to do the doctor a few times per year so it will actually end up being better coverage that costs me less.

But... You blame this on Obamacare which might not be the case. What I mean is the coverage you might have had might have been shit. Your deductable might have been only $2500, but you might not have had the coverage you thought you had.

I'm not sure where I stand on Obamacare. We have yet to sign up. I live in California, and we use the state website.... I signed up some time ago to look around, and when it came time to buy I couldn't find my user name - and thus couldn't log in. Oddly enough, there is no "user name" recovery system. It took me over a month to get through to them via customer support, and they told me that "they don't have such a system in place". WUT? I can't recover my user name and can't use my account? That's mind blowing.

We'll need to sign up under my wife's name. But I've been sick, then christmas, then sick again, then Vegas, and I'll be leaving in a few days for Xbiz and then Vegas again for personal stuff. They can fine me all they want; If I can't log into my account and they can't fix it frankly they can go fuck themselves.

Finally you admit Obamacare is a train wreck!

Look at the bright side, personal sex aids like penis pumps are covered.
If you are a 32 yr old single male and decide you want to have kids you're covered.

Because alot of insurance plans were shit and really didnt cover people or could drop them at will and most people didn't find out about how shitty their policy was until they were really sick.
The law changes that so they had to drop policies and alot of times what they offered the client wasnt the most cost effective for them but the most profitable for the company.

If you have had health insurance for more than two years, you know if goes up all the time. I have had my own insurance since 2001 and it goes up every year, so I have to change plans and deductibles to keep it from getting too crazy. Had to do this before Obama was even in politics.
Obama isnt a business hating liberal,the ACA shows that. The fool thought the insurance companies would do the right thing and not fuck people. Surprise! They are a business,their only responsibility is to share holders and their bottom line. But they sold him on not pushing for the public option and he believed them. This is capitalism.

For those of you making 70k+ a year: you will come to love Obama care when you get cancer and your insurance company doesn't drop you like a rock. You will also like it if you want to switch insurers and they cannot tell you that your heart was bad before you had a heart attack.

You complainers all act like you will be young for life. Healthy for life. So short sighted. Think long term.

Another thing.

Before Obamacare: I had Kaiser. Covered whole family. Started at about $480 a month in 1998 and went up about $50 a year. Then in 2008 it started going up $100 a year. By 2013 it was $1700 a month! I could buy a fucking house for that!

Now it is $495 for the same coverage.

Well... I can only comment about the Covered California website.... But it sure is stunning that they created what is essentially an account based members area requiring a user name and password, included a password reset feature, but not a user name discovery feature. I've been making such websites for fifteen years; This is the very first step.

Then I need to mention the customer support... It took me a month to get through to them. I would sit in their online cue for an hour and it would drop me when connecting every time; Turns out it doesn't like Chrome. Their phone was even worse - at the end it was just telling me they they were unable to take phone calls. And the end resolution was completely unacceptable too - They are completely unable to reset or tell me my user name. They told me to create a site in my wife's name, which I already know will lead to new problems.

From the viewpoint of the California Covered site, this has been fucking horrible.