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Relentless 01-17-2014 07:19 AM

If poor people have it so easy, why are we all working so hard to avoid being poor? Are we dim, is it hubris, paranoia... Or do poor people actually have a very rough time of it but it's easier to sleep at night if we try to convince ourselves that it's all their fault and it really isn't so bad at all anyway.

Food for thought... The kind of food robots still can't serve up ;)

MikeOMania 01-17-2014 07:37 AM

Yes, why do we work at all :helpme

Minte 01-17-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19947813)
If poor people have it so easy, why are we all working so hard to avoid being poor? Are we dim, is it hubris, paranoia... Or do poor people actually have a very rough time of it but it's easier to sleep at night if we try to convince ourselves that it's all their fault and it really isn't so bad at all anyway.

Food for thought... The kind of food robots still can't serve up ;)

You use the word poor. I used the word worker. There is nothing that says being direct labor makes you poor. I gave examples at what I view daily. I know there are legitimate poor out there that can't figure out how to feed themselves. But I also stand behind the statement that these people might not be as *poor* as you think. The fact that it's not taxable income doesn't mean it's not income.

VikingMan 01-17-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19947784)
Then I would examine your hiring and management practices.

Nah, people are lazy and 48 million Americans are on food stamps. A single mother has to make like $45,000 in order to make it worthwhile for her to completely dump the government benefits. Like I said I have some great employees but is always a struggle to keep my small crew fully staffed.

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mineistaken 01-17-2014 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19947813)
If poor people have it so easy, why are we all working so hard to avoid being poor? Are we dim, is it hubris, paranoia... Or do poor people actually have a very rough time of it but it's easier to sleep at night if we try to convince ourselves that it's all their fault and it really isn't so bad at all anyway.

I don't think the point is that they have it easy. Point is that its ridiculous to demand 15$ min wage.
And to answer why we all are working - because its better to have more money than less. If poor people have it easy then we work to have it super easy.

Point is that any individual must have ambition to rise from entry level jobs. You rise, you get paid more. Not you slack and be lazy yet just demand more pay.

PR_Glen 01-17-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by happyending (Post 19947179)
You would have to be retarded to eat that pink slime shit.

Lowest cost minced meat with the good probability of Mad Cow and/or E-Coli no thanks.

That shit is for the Darwin Award people aka Dumb Fucks...:)

They're dumb for eating it yet you are using internet memes and ludicrous rumours to discredit it? Interesting tactic.

If there was a 'good probability' of mad cow or ecoli while eating fast food they would all be out of business in 10 minutes... try again.

tony286 01-17-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VikingMan (Post 19948078)
Nah, people are lazy and 48 million Americans are on food stamps. A single mother has to make like $45,000 in order to make it worthwhile for her to completely dump the government benefits. Like I said I have some great employees but is always a struggle to keep my small crew fully staffed.

Ive managed people making from min wage to techs making 6 figures. It's a lack of management. People have to be managed.

tony286 01-17-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19948132)
I don't think the point is that they have it easy. Point is that its ridiculous to demand 15$ min wage.
And to answer why we all are working - because its better to have more money than less. If poor people have it easy then we work to have it super easy.

Point is that any individual must have ambition to rise from entry level jobs. You rise, you get paid more. Not you slack and be lazy yet just demand more pay.

In this day and age $15 shouldnt be a special wage.

ilnjscb 01-17-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VikingMan (Post 19947441)
I have an offline business and I have about 15 employees at any given time. I pay $16 to $20 an hour and half of the people cannot mange to show up on time, refrain from slacking off, and simply do their job. I get people calling in sick 5 minutes before their shift starts as if they did not know they were sick a few hours prior so that I could get their shift covered. About 20% of the applicants cannot even mange to fill out an application.

Minte can I lease a robot to try it out?

This has been complained about for thousands of years.

"Roman slaves, for example, might steal food or other supplies from the household. Those in positions of responsibility might falsify record books, and embezzle money from their owners, or arrange for their own manumission (setting free). Ordinary farm labourers might deliberately go slow on the job, or injure the animals they worked with to avoid work - or they might pretend to be ill, destroy equipment, or damage buildings. If your job was to make wine and you had to produce a certain quota, why not add in some sea-water to help things along? Almost any slave could play truant or simply waste time.

All these petty forms of day-to-day resistance appealed to Roman slaves. They allowed slaves to frustrate and annoy their owners, and offered the satisfaction of knowing that their owners' powers were not absolute - that even the most humble of human beings could take action to empower themselves."

VikingMan 01-17-2014 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19948225)
This has been complained about for thousands of years.

"Roman slaves, for example, might steal food or other supplies from the household. Those in positions of responsibility might falsify record books, and embezzle money from their owners, or arrange for their own manumission (setting free). Ordinary farm labourers might deliberately go slow on the job, or injure the animals they worked with to avoid work - or they might pretend to be ill, destroy equipment, or damage buildings. If your job was to make wine and you had to produce a certain quota, why not add in some sea-water to help things along? Almost any slave could play truant or simply waste time.

All these petty forms of day-to-day resistance appealed to Roman slaves. They allowed slaves to frustrate and annoy their owners, and offered the satisfaction of knowing that their owners' powers were not absolute - that even the most humble of human beings could take action to empower themselves."

Oh god I was 12 busting my ass mowing neighborhood lawns and clearing driveways after blizzards and then at 16 I was working 30 plus hours at a restaurant while going to high school. Some people are fucking lazy as shit. They are not slaves if they make $20 per hour. I can't wait for complete economic chaos when people are starving so they can see how the rest of the world has to actually struggle.

with that said.......50 robots who will not suck on the government teet

CarlosTheGaucho 01-17-2014 01:07 PM

So now you'll be able to pick between a robo burger and a handmade burger?

They should also start manufacturing a home edition, same as with coffee machines, just you'd have a personalizable robo burger station that would always ask if you want fries with it.

arock10 01-17-2014 01:20 PM

With a robot making all the shitty fast food how will the now out of work poor people afford to buy these burgers.

tony286 01-17-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19948312)
With a robot making all the shitty fast food how will the now out of work poor people afford to buy these burgers.

or buy porn or whatever Minte makes. People forget about the little detail.

Robbie 01-17-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19948353)
or buy porn or whatever Minte makes. People forget about the little detail.

What do you think is gonna happen IF fast food joints are forced to pay high wages for unskilled labor?
I'll tell you what: They will see their jobs go away.
That's just the way the world works.

As far as unskilled laborers buying porn...they don't anyway, they get all they need at Porn Hub.

And as prices for everything keep rising...guess who CAN'T raise their prices to keep up? Us porn site owners is who.

People already don't want to even pay 29.99 because of so much free porn.
I see some sites desperately dropping their prices hard in a vain attempt to make some money.

So while you have brought up a point that we need to pay unskilled labor higher wages as starting pay (even if they are slack asses) so they can buy porn...I'm saying that they already DON'T buy porn.
And if minimum wage goes up, so do the prices of everything else. Except porn. :(

So no, in my opinion I LOSE if minimum wages go up. And so do millions of people working those jobs because many of them are going to be unemployed if it happens.

kane 01-17-2014 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19948426)
What do you think is gonna happen IF fast food joints are forced to pay high wages for unskilled labor?
I'll tell you what: They will see their jobs go away.
That's just the way the world works.

As far as unskilled laborers buying porn...they don't anyway, they get all they need at Porn Hub.

And as prices for everything keep rising...guess who CAN'T raise their prices to keep up? Us porn site owners is who.

People already don't want to even pay 29.99 because of so much free porn.
I see some sites desperately dropping their prices hard in a vain attempt to make some money.

So while you have brought up a point that we need to pay unskilled labor higher wages as starting pay (even if they are slack asses) so they can buy porn...I'm saying that they already DON'T buy porn.
And if minimum wage goes up, so do the prices of everything else. Except porn. :(

So no, in my opinion I LOSE if minimum wages go up. And so do millions of people working those jobs because many of them are going to be unemployed if it happens.

I have always thought that our primary customers are more middle class people who have somewhat normal/busy lives. They don't want to spend hours sifting through things to find stuff they want. They are looking for something specific and when they find it they will pay for it if it appears to be worth the price.

If you are poor you likely have more time than money so you can spend your time sifting through tubes and other sites looking for specific scenes or whatever you want and since you don't want to or can't afford $30 for a membership you make due with what you can get for free.

The guy flipping burgers at McDonalds is likely not our customer. The manager of McDonalds is.


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