It's such a joke when people claim one sides opinion is based on propaganda, and think their own position is the honest truth. It's never that clear cut, things aren't black and white even if GWB keeps trying to tell us they are.

I've spent a lot of time in science and perhaps it's made me too cynical but just accepting what is fed to you by the news media is not a way to make a decision. Although you think the media are objective and often they try to be, they have deadlines and get press releases and news conferences and oftens it's easier to just rewrite the press release, report the speech than do REAL research.

As much as a lot of you don't want to believe what is fed to you by Ari, Donald and co. is their spin on the facts not the facts.

If you feel strongly about this issue search out facts for yourself!as best you can then make a decision

Well as an intellectual, how much time have you spent overseas? How many languages do you speak? How much time have you spent in the military?

In other words, "what experience do you have?"

I don't see how it's relevant.. but I've never lived in the USA, so all of my life overseas? :) I've lived in 5 countries, although i only speak English.

All I said is do your own research don't believe what you're fed.

I have never been in the military I don't want to be in an organisation that's main idea is to tell me what to think and force me to not question anything.

Yea, what he said. Whats up Johnnie Bulldog. Hows it going up there in Atlanta. I bet I know what you miss most down here- the Gulf.

Bulldog-Johnnie,

Actually the picture was posted in response to KRL's picture of dead Kurds in another thread, so I guess everything you're saying applies to KRL's post also

Now, how does one know that "this baby was deformed due to depleted uranium"? I mean, maybe it was, but deformities are caused by cosmic rays hitting DNA, by exposure to all kinds of harsh and dangerous chemicals (and I bet Iraq's controls over such chemicals would seem lax by US standards), and by hereditary defects. How does one know which potential cause caused a particular incident?

WHO organisation has send a team to Iraq to investigate effects of depleted uranium will be an interesting study to read.

The jury seems out on depleted uranium at the moment, definitely a lot of study going into it though.

Pub Med - query "depleted uranium"

that was one of the more mild on the page.

I'm not going to argue who was at fault because frankly I wasn't there, I don't know but I will just say however it happened I feel for all of those parents.

And let's not forget: Iraq is a country where the leader has killed at least a million of his citizens INTENTIONALLY, so I doubt if it's a country that reaches OSHA standards overall.

DU only really becomes a problem once it's fired and particlises on impact. Unfortunately it is a very serious problem, if it was safe then America wouldn't have cleaned up DU out of Kuwait after the war.

You do remember Vietnam don't you? Without taking any sort of bullshit sides on this and just looking at the facts in the aftermath, dioxins used in the war in Vietnam gave the locals birthdefects that are still continuing to this day as it's contaminated their ecosystem.

DU is the same, The Professor Doug Rokke, the US army physicist in charge of cleaning up depleted uranium in Kuwait said "I am like most people in southern Iraq. I have 5,000 times the recommended level of radiation in my body. What we're seeing now, respiratory problems, kidney problems, cancers are the direct result."

they wouldn't be cleaning it up in Kuwait if there weren't radiation issues..

I'm just seeing a lot of partisan BS on this thread, it's so ridiculous, everyone should settle the hell down.. I guess it's what happens when you post pictures of dead babies. even if it was in reply to KRL's equally provocative post - war isn't a binary equation where one party can do no wrong.. no country comes out of a war situation with shining halos..
There is a lot of evidence on DU. It's not harmful to handle or be around.. it's not so bad to pass through an area where it's been fired.. but when explosion particles contaminate the environment and enter to ecology of the area you start seeing the things seen in Iraq.. incredible levels of radiation and a several fold increase in cancers.. The fact that the same effects are being seen in kosovo shows it's not some anti iraq war BS, it's been an issue for 10 years..