A lof of GFYers should be scared

[Minte]

Minimum Wage Killer


?Our alpha machine replaces all of the hamburger line cooks in a restaurant. It does everything employees can do except better."

..snip..

The automatic device will still require some humans to put the ingredients in, but once it?s loaded it can crank out up to 400 burgers per hour. The machine stamps the patties, puts on the toppings (cut fresh to order) and then bags the burger. The company believes the device will pay for itself in just under a year.

might as well fight for that $15 an hour minimum wage while the job(s) still exist!

[2MuchMark]

Looks delcious!

[nexcom28]

There goes my career..

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Minte

A lof of GFYers should be scared

?Our alpha machine replaces all of the hamburger line cooks in a restaurant. It does everything employees can do except better."

might as well fight for that $15 an hour minimum wage while the job(s) still exist!

[happyending]

You would have to be retarded to eat that pink slime shit.

Lowest cost minced meat with the good probability of Mad Cow and/or E-Coli no thanks.

That shit is for the Darwin Award people aka Dumb Fucks...

[secureizef]

innovation has been proved as not to be a bad thing for employment.

[seeandsee]

robots will owe the people

[SilentKnight]

They need a robot that can verify the customer's order is correct - eliminate the third window at McDees.

[kane]

I am actually a little surprised that this hasn't happened sooner.

Eventually, many fast food things will be automated as will other simple jobs. Look at grocery stores. Many of them now have the customer automated checkout stands. I can check myself out without having to wait in line. At the store I regularly shop at the auto checkout area has four kiosks and they have 1 person overseeing them. I think we will start seeing more and more of this kind of stuff since they are cheap for the store to operate and work well.

It could be good in the long run because it will force people to learn some kind of skill or trade because they simply won't be able to get a job without it. Of course it could also lead to a huge a separation of wealth and a massive number of people living in abject poverty and thus move us closer to being a third world shithole of a country.

[Minte]

And right behind this will be the robotic french fry machine

[TheSquealer]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaait!!

I'm confused.

People that are demanding more money can be so easily replaced?

That doesn't make much sense.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Minte

And right behind this will be the robotic french fry machine

hopefully there won't be a spit in your burger add-on.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

hopefully there won't be a spit in your burger add-on.

That's the brilliance of the technology.. No bodily fluids will ever enter the food.

[CaptainHowdy]

Quite the contrary ...

"Our machines, with breath of fire, with limbs of unwearying steel, with fruitfulness, wonderful inexhaustible, accomplish by themselves with docility their sacred labor. And nevertheless the genius of the great philosophers of capitalism remains dominated by the prejudice of the wage system, worst of slaveries. They do not yet understand that the machine is the saviour of humanity, the god who shall redeem man from the sordidae artes and from working for hire, the god who shall give him leisure and liberty."

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaait!!

I'm confused.

People that are demanding more money can be so easily replaced?

That doesn't make much sense.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Quite the contrary ...

"Our machines, with breath of fire, with limbs of unwearying steel, with fruitfulness, wonderful inexhaustible, accomplish by themselves with docility their sacred labor. And nevertheless the genius of the great philosophers of capitalism remains dominated by the prejudice of the wage system, worst of slaveries. They do not yet understand that the machine is the saviour of humanity, the god who shall redeem man from the sordidae artes and from working for hire, the god who shall give him leisure and liberty."

man, that's heavy

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Minte

That's the brilliance of the technology.. No bodily fluids will ever enter the food.

That's a big + in my book. Now if we can figure out how to automate things like salad bars and buffet lines that require sneeze guards, I may be able to eat a buffet meal at some point in the future. It's been a while.

[L-Pink]

Great thread

[sandman!]

there goes my career plan

[Relentless]

Originally Posted by Minte

And right behind this will be the robotic french fry machine

Nah that will come later. Right after this will be the machine that loads this machine. The article says you still need humans to load it, that won't last long. No reason you can't back up a driverless 18 wheeler, have a bot offload it into the freezer slots and have the freezer auto-feed the grill based on cash register orders. Add self-checkout and you don't need a cashier either.

Automation, Population, Globalization.....

What about the 15-20% of people (and growing) that the world doesn't need?

Do we kill them or care for them? The clock is ticking.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Nah that will come later. Right after this will be the machine that loads this machine. The article says you still need humans to load it, that won't last long. No reason you can't back up a driverless 18 wheeler, have a bot offload it into the freezer slots and have the freezer auto-feed the grill based on cash register orders. Add self-checkout and you don't need a cashier either.

Automation, Population, Globalization.....

What about the 15-20% of people (and growing) that the world doesn't need?

Do we kill them or care for them? The clock is ticking.

The answer is obvious..

[Minte]

But why muck up a good thread with depressing reality scenarios?

[Rochard]

So magically we'll install these shiny new machines and presto, we won't need any fast food employees?

They have something similar for drinks really. You order a drink at the cash register, a message is sent to the drink machine, the proper sized cup drops, it goes on a conveyor belt until it is filled with the right drink, and presto.... Then someone puts a lid on it, and hands your drink to you with a straw. We haven't replaced the person who makes the drinks, but instead made their job a lot easier.

It's not going to be much different with a burger making machine. We'll still need someone stock the machines with food, and someone to wrap it up and hand it to you. If you look at who is making your burgers, usually there is only one or two people working on the line.

[BFT3K]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gEzuWWmn9xI

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So magically we'll install these shiny new machines and presto, we won't need any fast food employees?

They have something similar for drinks really. You order a drink at the cash register, a message is sent to the drink machine, the proper sized cup drops, it goes on a conveyor belt until it is filled with the right drink, and presto.... Then someone puts a lid on it, and hands your drink to you with a straw. We haven't replaced the person who makes the drinks, but instead made their job a lot easier.

It's not going to be much different with a burger making machine. We'll still need someone stock the machines with food, and someone to wrap it up and hand it to you. If you look at who is making your burgers, usually there is only one or two people working on the line.

The first Cincinnati robot we bought 15 years ago would easily perform all those tasks.
The new generation Panasonics we have now would do that and drive the truck. And it does that at about 1/3 the price of our original robot.

[VikingMan]

I have an offline business and I have about 15 employees at any given time. I pay $16 to $20 an hour and half of the people cannot mange to show up on time, refrain from slacking off, and simply do their job. I get people calling in sick 5 minutes before their shift starts as if they did not know they were sick a few hours prior so that I could get their shift covered. About 20% of the applicants cannot even mange to fill out an application.

Minte can I lease a robot to try it out?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

I have an offline business and I have about 15 employees at any given time. I pay $16 to $20 an hour and half of the people cannot mange to show up on time, refrain from slacking off, and simply do their job. I get people calling in sick 5 minutes before their shift starts as if they did not know they were sick a few hours prior so that I could get their shift covered. About 20% of the applicants cannot even mange to fill out an application.

Pay 12$ base salary for slackers and 16-20$ if they show up on time every time. That should be decent incentive. Something like that usually works.

[keysync]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Pay 12$ base salary for slackers and 16-20$ if they show up on time every time. That should be decent incentive. Something like that usually works.

It seems like that's the key.
There needs to be a direct incentive.

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Pay 12$ base salary for slackers and 16-20$ if they show up on time every time. That should be decent incentive. Something like that usually works.

I don't even get applicants for less than $14 per hour. I live near Seattle and the economy is very strong here. New homes are $600K + My incentive is start at $16 and make up to $20. I do have some great employees.

Funny I have one female employee who does a great job but I cannot understand what she says even though English is her first language. I have to text her to communicate with her.

[lezinterracial]

Damn, Maybe I can get a job cleaning or maintaining the machine.

[Phoenix]

it is easy and fun to look down on others.
hopefully everyone's business only goes up..and no one is ever forced to take a lower paying job just to try and feed their kids

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by lezinterracial

Damn, Maybe I can get a job cleaning or maintaining the machine.

Then people would bitch and say that you should make $17 an hour to do maintenance on the machine...and then a machine would replace that job too.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

it is easy and fun to look down on others.
hopefully everyone's business only goes up..and no one is ever forced to take a lower paying job just to try and feed their kids

Have you forgotten this is GFY?

[Maqua]

[ottopottomouse]

I love watching machines doing stuff in factories. It's amazing what they can be made to do - there isn't much left now that needs a real human and can't be replicated.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Minte

Minimum Wage Killer


?Our alpha machine replaces all of the hamburger line cooks in a restaurant. It does everything employees can do except better."

..snip..

The automatic device will still require some humans to put the ingredients in, but once it?s loaded it can crank out up to 400 burgers per hour. The machine stamps the patties, puts on the toppings (cut fresh to order) and then bags the burger. The company believes the device will pay for itself in just under a year.

might as well fight for that $15 an hour minimum wage while the job(s) still exist!

yep it's better for tax payers subsidize companies expenses. Also $15 a hr isnt a crazy min wage. But wages have been flat for so long now that's good money when I made $11 an hr in 1984.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by kane

Eventually, many fast food things will be automated as will other simple jobs. Look at grocery stores. Many of them now have the customer automated checkout stands.

That's not automation, that is making the customer do the cashiers' job.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

I have an offline business and I have about 15 employees at any given time. I pay $16 to $20 an hour and half of the people cannot mange to show up on time, refrain from slacking off, and simply do their job. I get people calling in sick 5 minutes before their shift starts as if they did not know they were sick a few hours prior so that I could get their shift covered. About 20% of the applicants cannot even mange to fill out an application.

Minte can I lease a robot to try it out?

Then I would examine your hiring and management practices.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by tony286

yep it's better for tax payers subsidize companies expenses. Also $15 a hr isnt a crazy min wage. But wages have been flat for so long now that's good money when I made $11 an hr in 1984.

I would argue that point based on the fact, that I know what the market is for direct labor. I also see our parking lot and parking lots of a lot of business. There are lots of nice cars out there. I hear about nice vacations the people are taking. No one I see looks like they are lacking in the food department. Truthfully, a lot of them could lose a few LB's.

The one thing that government stats can't publish is the underground economy. How many people out there make money they don't ever report. No checks..just cash.
I know retailers that have had notax tuesday for years. Maybe it's notax tuesday and thursday now? Contractors work for cash a lot. Lawn maintenance. I think the underground economy must be huge. Because as I said, I see with my own eyes people living a good life on $12 an hour.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

I have an offline business and I have about 15 employees at any given time. I pay $16 to $20 an hour and half of the people cannot mange to show up on time, refrain from slacking off, and simply do their job. I get people calling in sick 5 minutes before their shift starts as if they did not know they were sick a few hours prior so that I could get their shift covered. About 20% of the applicants cannot even mange to fill out an application.

True fucking dat.

My personal favorites are blaming the kid or ex, a classic used by single mothers. Or the "24 hour stomach flu", a polished gem used by the younger folk which is jive turkey for 'I drank too much last night'.

[Relentless]

If poor people have it so easy, why are we all working so hard to avoid being poor? Are we dim, is it hubris, paranoia... Or do poor people actually have a very rough time of it but it's easier to sleep at night if we try to convince ourselves that it's all their fault and it really isn't so bad at all anyway.

Food for thought... The kind of food robots still can't serve up ;)

[MikeOMania]

Yes, why do we work at all

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If poor people have it so easy, why are we all working so hard to avoid being poor? Are we dim, is it hubris, paranoia... Or do poor people actually have a very rough time of it but it's easier to sleep at night if we try to convince ourselves that it's all their fault and it really isn't so bad at all anyway.

Food for thought... The kind of food robots still can't serve up ;)

You use the word poor. I used the word worker. There is nothing that says being direct labor makes you poor. I gave examples at what I view daily. I know there are legitimate poor out there that can't figure out how to feed themselves. But I also stand behind the statement that these people might not be as *poor* as you think. The fact that it's not taxable income doesn't mean it's not income.

[VikingMan]

Originally Posted by tony286

Then I would examine your hiring and management practices.

Nah, people are lazy and 48 million Americans are on food stamps. A single mother has to make like $45,000 in order to make it worthwhile for her to completely dump the government benefits. Like I said I have some great employees but is always a struggle to keep my small crew fully staffed.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If poor people have it so easy, why are we all working so hard to avoid being poor? Are we dim, is it hubris, paranoia... Or do poor people actually have a very rough time of it but it's easier to sleep at night if we try to convince ourselves that it's all their fault and it really isn't so bad at all anyway.

I don't think the point is that they have it easy. Point is that its ridiculous to demand 15$ min wage.
And to answer why we all are working - because its better to have more money than less. If poor people have it easy then we work to have it super easy.

Point is that any individual must have ambition to rise from entry level jobs. You rise, you get paid more. Not you slack and be lazy yet just demand more pay.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by happyending

You would have to be retarded to eat that pink slime shit.

Lowest cost minced meat with the good probability of Mad Cow and/or E-Coli no thanks.

That shit is for the Darwin Award people aka Dumb Fucks...

They're dumb for eating it yet you are using internet memes and ludicrous rumours to discredit it? Interesting tactic.

If there was a 'good probability' of mad cow or ecoli while eating fast food they would all be out of business in 10 minutes... try again.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Nah, people are lazy and 48 million Americans are on food stamps. A single mother has to make like $45,000 in order to make it worthwhile for her to completely dump the government benefits. Like I said I have some great employees but is always a struggle to keep my small crew fully staffed.

Ive managed people making from min wage to techs making 6 figures. It's a lack of management. People have to be managed.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

I don't think the point is that they have it easy. Point is that its ridiculous to demand 15$ min wage.
And to answer why we all are working - because its better to have more money than less. If poor people have it easy then we work to have it super easy.

Point is that any individual must have ambition to rise from entry level jobs. You rise, you get paid more. Not you slack and be lazy yet just demand more pay.

In this day and age $15 shouldnt be a special wage.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by VikingMan

I have an offline business and I have about 15 employees at any given time. I pay $16 to $20 an hour and half of the people cannot mange to show up on time, refrain from slacking off, and simply do their job. I get people calling in sick 5 minutes before their shift starts as if they did not know they were sick a few hours prior so that I could get their shift covered. About 20% of the applicants cannot even mange to fill out an application.

Minte can I lease a robot to try it out?

This has been complained about for thousands of years.

"Roman slaves, for example, might steal food or other supplies from the household. Those in positions of responsibility might falsify record books, and embezzle money from their owners, or arrange for their own manumission (setting free). Ordinary farm labourers might deliberately go slow on the job, or injure the animals they worked with to avoid work - or they might pretend to be ill, destroy equipment, or damage buildings. If your job was to make wine and you had to produce a certain quota, why not add in some sea-water to help things along? Almost any slave could play truant or simply waste time.

All these petty forms of day-to-day resistance appealed to Roman slaves. They allowed slaves to frustrate and annoy their owners, and offered the satisfaction of knowing that their owners' powers were not absolute - that even the most humble of human beings could take action to empower themselves."