I wish plate tectonics would just hurry up and take that bumfuck of all bumfuck states.

This is my point. It takes a lot to get me angry - A LOT - but to get so worked up over something so damn trivial blows my mind. If someone was texting during a movie I might think "how rude" but that's about it.

There is always a silver lining though...

I bet when she grows up she'll turn her phone off when she goes to the cinema :)

ROFL! True dat :1orglaugh

heartbreaking

The victim could be charged with a hate crime because the old man was attacked just because he was white.

The victim would have never thrown popcorn in a nigga's face.

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gotta love the last line : he was in fear of being attacked ......:1orglaugh

If the cop would of had a cell phone as well, he could of defended himself by texting pre-emptively .... everyone should have one ... for defense!

He didn't get shot because he was texting, he got shot because he didn't give a shit that it bothered other people.

Well, when you put it that way, I guess he deserved to die... :error

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I don't see what the retired cop genuinely feared, since he was the only one armed with a gun.

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ADG

Popcorn salt in the eye is very painful and if the victim is under stress it can bring on a heart attack that could result in death.:winkwink:

How about he showed zero personable responsibility? Lord only knows what kind of person you will run into when dealing with the general public correct? So the guy bothers the shit out of a fellow movie goer, gets into a verbal confrontation when clearly in the wrong, throws popcorn into someones face and is surprised when this incident he provoked gets out of hand?

In a million years this would never have happened to me. Yea, the former cop grossly over reacted. But accepting personal responsibility for incidents you help escalate is your duty, you helped drive it there.

The old guy is guilty of excessive force, the young guy is responsible for his attitude and behavior getting himself shot.

I also know he would of turned his cell phone off and shut up if the complaining party was a big black dude or a 250 pound biker.

:2 cents:


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In Florida, the defendant has a right to "stand his ground" against the onslaught of flying popcorn.

Actually throwing food is considered "battery". You can be arrested for assaulting someone for throwing food, a drink, etc.

So the victim wasn't really the victim at all... he attacked the shooter with a.... bag of popcorn... And clearly the shooter was acting in self defense after being assaulted.

mmhmm, maybe the guy should of shot everyone who was playing their with phones as i guarantee there were at least 10 others. by your logic everyone should cower at everyone else who has a gun. the man with the gun enforces the rules, have a bad attitude, get ready to be shot. its entirely justifiable!

He was a victim of losing a situation he helped escalate. Sit down, shut up, don't make noise and watch the fucking movie you paid to view. What's so hard about that?

I could walk into a dozen places in a 2 mile radius of my house and provoke a serious ass beating or worse. Or I could mind my own business, be respectful of others and have a great time.

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the old man was a crazy old hate filled pussy. he hated his life/the world and was just waiting for a moment to take it out on someone. he is a pussy because he couldn't use his fists, had to reach for a gun like a wimp. had everyone just minded their own business and not bother others over meaningless shit, nothing would of happened.

You missed my point entirely. Why did the guy let his behavior in a public place escalate to the point he was shot. Other witnesses stated he was loudly using his phone, he verbally accosted the old guy about talking to a manager and threw food in his face.

If he would have respected other people and quietly watched the movie none of this would have happened.

I don't know the old man or his state of mind. I do know in a million years the old guy would have never had a reason to shoot me. That's my point.

Popcorn may seems harmless to you but a bag of popcorn is heavier and covers a larger attack zone then a bag of skittles.

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he'd have no reason to shoot me either but my point is that we can't go around confronting (let alone shooting) people who do shit that pisses us off. sure no one likes people using phones in movie theaters but its not my business to tell them to stop it. if management won't deal with it, get a refund and leave. its not worth confronting people.

the thought of being shot probably never crossed his mind. i don't know about you but the idea that everyone should stay in line out of fear of being shot/assaulted by someone seems pretty shitty.

According to the police report, the ex-cop was 6' 1" and 270 lbs. Here he is at arraignment:

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I don't carry a gun, therefore if I was so disturbed by the noise someone else was making in violation of the theater rules, I would have insisted that theater staff/management enforce their own rules or issue me a refund.

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If the disrespectful texter escalated the situation by throwing a box of popcorn at me, I may have called the police and filed an assault charge.

Either of these actions would have held the texter accountable for his actions, without a 3-year old child losing her father. :2 cents:

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ADG

You bet it never crossed his mind and that's exactly why he decided to throw popcorn in the guys face.

This is what crossed his mind : "I'll throw this popcorn because what can the old man do about it?"

Well now we know.

it's not staying in line out of fear, it's staying in line out of common sense and a sense of personal responsibility. The texter escalated the disrespect, that shows a profound lack of common sense on top of his lack of respect for those around him- especially for his wife, who was also shot due to the texter's poor judgement.

...I guess I'm lucky. Tracy and I go to the movies all the time (about once every 1-2 weeks) and we've NEVER had anyone talking or texting during a movie. Everyone here turns their phones off. I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually take a call during a movie. One time last summer someone's phone vibrated in front of me. He reached in and turned it off without taking the call. (It was a quiet moment in the movie so even the vibration could be heard).

that isn't what anyone is saying, that's what you are implying...

There is no justification in what he did, we are all on the same page here, but they make a point by saying if the victim didn't escalate the situation none of this would have ever happened.

I can't think of any situation that would have me dumping popcorn on a senior, probably mostly because that shit is expensive... and i love popcorn and would never waste food...

this is an assumption. for all we know the shooter also disrespected the victiim. seeing as how he shot him i have my doubts that the guy kindly asked him to put his phone away. i'm sure some colorful language was used.

it wouldn't of happened in that situation but like i said before, the guy was a ticking time bomb. he would of shot someone over something sooner or later.

Let's make it illegal to be mentally Ill.
THen at Movie theaters we can post
Crazy Free Zone -- This should help
Or if you are on any depression or mood altering or mental drugs, you can not be in the theater.
That's it. Drug FREE Zone

Ok, now honestly
This is VERY sad, and Stupid, but I am guessing the Old dude is out of his mind, or has the current cop mentality they can shoot anyone.
It was during the PREVIEWS for God sakes....

It's not an assumption whatsover to live using common sense and a respect for those around you, especially respect and concern for family members. Escalating the issue with his wife there was a profound lack of common sense and caring.

fact is, the guy isn't living now due to a lack of his common sense and better judgement.

regardless of whether or not the old man is a gun nut, sane or whatever- the texter is dead and his wife was shot also due to his participation in the matter.

sure he wasn't using common sense but what if the old man had nicely asked him to turn his phone off and he complied? for all we know the old main said turn the phone off or i'll put it up your ass in which case he would be guilty of escalating the situation as well.

What if we just gave everyone tazers in place of handguns. The world would be infinitely more entertaining and less deadly.

There outta be a law!

I've lost it mentally so many times and had people rage back so often... mixing that with a loaded weapon is a recipe for disaster. I'll never let anyone in my family carry.

Oh, there is no question the old man contributed to escalating this. ANd over-escalated it in fact, regardless of what we know and assume.

But the dead guy is responsible for himself and his life, and the safety and well-being of his loved ones, not the old man. Throwing popcorn in the guy's face etc exacerbated the issue.

sorta on topic here, I was walking back from the local grocer on my block yesterday with a gallon of milk and a bunch of other things in bags in both hands. the block was crowded with people so I slipped in behind what appeared to be a homeless guy who was cutting a path through the other pedestrians coming from the opposite way. I was prolly 4 steps behind him and as he was looking around, I guess outta the corner of his eye he caught me being in his same path.
He stopped abruptly and turned around glaring at me like *wtf are you doing coming up on me!??* My response was to not make eye contact at all and to make sure I had a bit of a smile on my face as I pretended to not even notice he was attempting to escalate the situation. I got home safely and enjoyed my groceries.

My wife and I generally go to the late afternoon matinees - all they throw around is Geritol and drool on one another.

Besides, here in Canada we resolve these things like real men.

We take it outside and settle it with a snowball fight.

There we go ...

the old man contributed ? He took out a fucking gun and shot the guy. Its the victim fault this old asshole shot him dead. That's too funny.

Precisely.

And now a little girl will grow up without a father because of the stupidity of two grown men in a movie theater :(

There's nothing funny about what happened. What is funny is your need to take my view and spin it wildly out of context, that's funny.

Fact is, the gun was the last part of what happened, not the beginning, not the middle, not close to the end, the end. the escalation of the event from both sides precursed the gun being fired.

And you're the one using the word "fault", not me. I don't use words like fault. What I did say several times is the dead texter is responsible for his life and the well-being of his loved ones.

And we know the guy threw popcorn at old guy because? stupidity? No He fucking shot him. I love the blame the victim.

Popcorn spread out and in the air would be lighter than a bag of skittles; Popcorn itself is rather light. But the radius would expand with distance - The further the distance popcorn is thrown, the more it spreads out. You know, sort of like a shotgun. But without the lead.

Throwing popcorn in the movies is never proper justification for deadly force.

Keeping in mind that we know very little details at this point other than the old man was a retired police officer... My (uneducated) guess is that this old man is used to respect, and society over all disappoints him. As a police officer he saw nothing but the worst side of society, and cannot see the good. He confronted a man about what he saw as a slight, and his temper overtook him...

It's mind blowing that a man took someone's life over something so obviously minor.

Im not spinning anything wildly. It's a false equivalency, we live in a world where it cant be just one sides fault anymore.The old man choose to take the gun out blow him away.

Again, someone spinning what I've stated wildly out of context. I never said one fucking word about killing the guy being justified.

If I misread you im sorry but it read like that to me.

huh? What are you talking about? I'm not equating jack shit, so please knock it off with t they fancy words that aren't even the slightest bit applicable. My view, again, is the texter is responsible for his own actions/life and his loved ones around him, and the shooter is responsible for his. Consequences. Act like a dick to the wrong person and there are consequences. Cooler heads prevail.

And again, you're using the word fault not me.

I'm sure as hell not defending what the old man did, but it's not like he randomly picked this guy out of the crowd and shot him just for shits and giggles.

Actions have consequences and sometimes those consequences are exponentially disproportionate.

you misread it entirely. I have no idea how, especially with my relating a personal story of how easily I de-escalated a situation with someone that wanted to start shit just yesterday. People are ready and willing to start shit anywhere anytime for any reason. It's my responsibility to not engage in it.

As do many gun nuts.

One grown man throwing popcorn at another grown man in the heat of an argument certainly strikes me as an act of stupidity.

At that point the old man probably felt that he had but one of two choices. Slink away like a beaten dog with it's tail between his legs or escalate the confrontation.

Tragically he chose door number two and in so doing he proved to be the stupider of the two men.


I have no way of knowing, but had the old guy been younger I think it's a good guess that he would have responded with his fists instead.

Sorry, but your analysis does not consider the tensile strength of a popcorn kernel hull which can easily lacerate the cornea.

Nobody ever cut their eye open with a fucking skittle.

Furthermore, this theater employed a modern air conditioning unit that removes humidity from the air;
therefore there is no possibility that the Florida humidity and heat would have made the kernel hulls wilt before they were thrown.

:2 cents: