How will we make the captured terrorist talk? - GoFuckYourself.com

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2003, 11:19 PM

Sorry can't link. It's from aol.

(March 4) - Other than torture or truth serum, American authorities have an array of options in extracting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Captured Saturday in Pakistan, Mr. Mohammed was flown Monday to the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, the typical first stop for prisoners captured in the war against terrorism. Mr. Mohammed, al Qaeda's alleged leader of terrorist operations against the U.S. and the suspected brains behind the 9/11 attacks, may be tried eventually, but Washington's first priority is collecting intelligence to prevent future attacks and capture Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders.

In criminal cases, investigators typically tempt their quarry to talk with promises of fairly obvious rewards -- say early freedom or improved conditions. But Mr. Mohammed is a self-avowed terrorist driven by ideology and is unlikely to ever taste freedom again. U.S. authorities have found that traditional interrogation techniques have been ineffective on such prisoners. "You don't deal with this guy the way we interrogate someone here," said a top federal law-enforcement official.

High-profile prisoners such as Mr. Mohammed generally are held by the Central Intelligence Agency and interrogated in a third country, possibly Jordan in this case. It's unclear exactly what rules the CIA follows in conducting interrogations, because the agency is closemouthed about such matters, other than denying that it uses truth serum or torture. But judging from methods military interrogators say they are allowed to employ under international humanitarian law and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the CIA has plenty of options.

Military interrogators say their prisoners can be lied to, screamed at and shown falsified documents in the hopes they might unwittingly confirm certain pieces of information. Interrogators can also play on their prisoners' phobias, such as fear of rats or dogs, or disguise themselves as interrogators from a country known to use torture or threaten to send the prisoner to such a place. Prisoners can be stripped, forcibly shaved and deprived of religious items and toiletries.

The White House argues that al Qaeda prisoners are "unlawful combatants" and enjoy neither constitutional rights nor the protections of the Geneva Conventions, which govern treatment of enemy soldiers. Bush administration lawyers acknowledge only one legal restraint: the United Nations' Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which the Senate ratified in 1994 after adding several reservations limiting its scope.

The treaty bars interrogators from inflicting "severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental" and prohibits transfer of prisoners to other countries that may practice torture. "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever may be invoked as a justification of torture," the treaty says in a provision that the U.N. Committee Against Torture said remained in force even after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"The standard for any type of interrogation of somebody in American custody is to be humane and to follow all international laws and accords dealing with this type of subject," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Monday. "That is precisely what has been happening and exactly what will happen."

But because the treaty has no enforcement mechanism; so, as a practical matter, "you're just limited by your imagination," a U.S. law-enforcement official says. In other words, as long as the pain and suffering aren't "severe," it's permissible to use physical force and to cause "discomfort," as some U.S. interrogators euphemistically put it. Among the techniques: making captives wear black hoods, forcing them to stand in painful "stress positions" for a long time and subjecting them to interrogation sessions lasting as long as 20 hours.

U.S. officials overseeing interrogations of captured al Qaeda forces at Bagram and Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba can even authorize "a little bit of smacky-face," a U.S. intelligence official says. "Some al Qaeda just need some extra encouragement," the official says.

"There's a reason why [Mr. Mohammed] isn't going to be near a place where he has Miranda rights or the equivalent of them," says the senior federal law-enforcer says. "He won't be someplace like Spain or Germany or France. We're not using this to prosecute him. This is for intelligence. God only knows what they're going to do with him. You go to some other country that'll let us pistol whip this guy.

"Initially, interrogators will aim to disorient Mr. Mohammed. "You deprive him of what he's used to and comfortable with," this official says. "You deprive him of his surroundings. You move him. In this instance, you do that geographically, physically and emotionally. You put him someplace he's unfamiliar with. You deprive him of food, water and sleep. You make morning night, and you make hot cold."

Authorities are hoping they'll get lucky. "He's a fanatic but he could be a big baby," the official says.

U.S. authorities have an additional inducement to make Mr. Mohammed talk, even if he shares the suicidal commitment of the Sept. 11 hijackers: The Americans have access to two of his elementary-school-age children, the top law-enforcement official says. The children were captured in a September raid that netted one of Mr. Mohammed's top comrades, Ramzi Binalshibh.

When interrogators finish with Mr. Mohammed, he is likely to face a U.S. military tribunal, but that will probably be years from now.

-- Zahid Hussain contributed to this article.

Copyright ? 2003 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2003, 11:29 PM

bump

active fuckers.

MetaMan · 03-04-2003, 11:34 PM

its called

s-u-m-m-a-r-i-z-e
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summarize

try it

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MetaMan
its called

s-u-m-m-a-r-i-z-e
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summarize

try it

ok....

G. F. Y.

BV · 03-04-2003, 11:36 PM

Shackle them on a cross at ground zero.

ronin · 03-04-2003, 11:37 PM

OK?? can see that when you log on. lol

stocktrader23 · 03-04-2003, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ronin
OK?? can see that when you log on. lol

No they email me all the latest news.

Dveron · 03-04-2003, 11:42 PM

If I was one cold motherfucker I would say let the scum watch while playing Russian roulette with his kids.

Raider Mort · 03-04-2003, 11:44 PM

I vote for a hot poker in the ass, followed by a steady diet of Taco Bell.

ronin · 03-04-2003, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stocktrader23

No they email me all the latest news.

get a fucken life DORK. hahahahah

Exxxotica · 03-04-2003, 11:46 PM

Offer a haircut, bath, and some beef jerky.

Works every time for me.

asuna · 03-04-2003, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dveron
If I was one cold motherfucker I would say let the scum watch while playing Russian roulette with his kids.

Been there, done that..
even saddam is pretty fucked, his had a prisoner, and he promised the guys wife hre husband will be there the next day at 10am, and he was.. in a bodybag in 10 peices, AND a bill for the amunition used to shoot him... no joke

Triple 6 · 03-04-2003, 11:51 PM

Dip em in honey naked. Hang em upside down by a tree, next to a beehive. Double check your vid cam is on record. Make sure popcorn is ready (kettlecorn for best effect). Proceed to throw rock at beehive. Enjoy.

ronin · 03-04-2003, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Exxxotica
Offer a haircut, bath, and some beef jerky.

Works every time for me.

they don't take baths, that is why they FUCKEN SMELL.

smells like 7-11

Exxxotica · 03-04-2003, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Triple 6
Dip em in honey naked. Hang em upside down by a tree, next to a beehive. Double check your vid cam is on record. Make sure popcorn is ready (kettlecorn for best effect). Proceed to throw rock at beehive. Enjoy.

You could do that to a person?

Joe Sixpack · 03-04-2003, 11:53 PM

You fools. He'll never talk.

These guys WANT TO DIE FOR THEIR CAUSE!

Why would he talk, betray everything that means anything to him, and give up his virgins in paradise?

asuna · 03-04-2003, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
You fools. He'll never talk.

These guys WANT TO DIE FOR THEIR CAUSE!

Why would he talk, betray everything that means anything to him, and give up his virgins in paradise?

tactics... sleep depreviation.. drugs etc etc, he wont be thniking straight enuf.. then again, he can give wrong info during this time too

KRL · 03-05-2003, 12:16 AM

I think a second or two before you said Giddy Up, he'd start babbling away with the technique the English used.

It doesn't really matter what he says. They got the communications equipment and computers and journals. They can trace everyone he's communicated with now.

He's a smart guy. Smart guys are easy to break if you know what you're doing.

Zebra · 03-05-2003, 12:19 AM

Make him watch CNN Headline News for a week solid. Give him drugs to keep him awake. Prop his eyes open like A Clockwork Orange. Soon he will say anything you want if you will just change the channel.

KRL · 03-05-2003, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
You fools. He'll never talk.

These guys WANT TO DIE FOR THEIR CAUSE!

Why would he talk, betray everything that means anything to him, and give up his virgins in paradise?

You believe in fanaticism at his level. These guys are professional thugs. They make millions doing this stuff. Countries pay them off to not fuck with them. People like Saddam funnel oodles of money to these dudes to mess with us and others. Its a business. At the end of the day its always about the $ as well as the beliefs.

Joe Sixpack · 03-05-2003, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

You believe in fanatisism at his level. These guys are professional thugs. They make millions doing this stuff. Countries pay them off to not fuck with them. People like Saddam funnel oodles of money to these dudes to mess with us and others. Its a business. At the end of the day its always about the $ as well as the beliefs.

Of course, it must have been the money that made the September 11 highjackers fly those planes into the World Trade Center... I bet they're having fun now spending all that money!

KRL · 03-05-2003, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Of course, it must have been the money that made the September 11 highjackers fly those planes into the World Trade Center... I bet they're having fun now spending all that money!

You didn't see him in the pilots seat did you though? They mind fuck the zeolots below them and they take the $$$$ and laugh all the way to the bank.

03-04-2003, 11:19 PM	#1
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	How will we make the captured terrorist talk? Sorry can't link. It's from aol. (March 4) - Other than torture or truth serum, American authorities have an array of options in extracting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Captured Saturday in Pakistan, Mr. Mohammed was flown Monday to the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, the typical first stop for prisoners captured in the war against terrorism. Mr. Mohammed, al Qaeda's alleged leader of terrorist operations against the U.S. and the suspected brains behind the 9/11 attacks, may be tried eventually, but Washington's first priority is collecting intelligence to prevent future attacks and capture Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders. In criminal cases, investigators typically tempt their quarry to talk with promises of fairly obvious rewards -- say early freedom or improved conditions. But Mr. Mohammed is a self-avowed terrorist driven by ideology and is unlikely to ever taste freedom again. U.S. authorities have found that traditional interrogation techniques have been ineffective on such prisoners. "You don't deal with this guy the way we interrogate someone here," said a top federal law-enforcement official. High-profile prisoners such as Mr. Mohammed generally are held by the Central Intelligence Agency and interrogated in a third country, possibly Jordan in this case. It's unclear exactly what rules the CIA follows in conducting interrogations, because the agency is closemouthed about such matters, other than denying that it uses truth serum or torture. But judging from methods military interrogators say they are allowed to employ under international humanitarian law and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the CIA has plenty of options. Military interrogators say their prisoners can be lied to, screamed at and shown falsified documents in the hopes they might unwittingly confirm certain pieces of information. Interrogators can also play on their prisoners' phobias, such as fear of rats or dogs, or disguise themselves as interrogators from a country known to use torture or threaten to send the prisoner to such a place. Prisoners can be stripped, forcibly shaved and deprived of religious items and toiletries. The White House argues that al Qaeda prisoners are "unlawful combatants" and enjoy neither constitutional rights nor the protections of the Geneva Conventions, which govern treatment of enemy soldiers. Bush administration lawyers acknowledge only one legal restraint: the United Nations' Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which the Senate ratified in 1994 after adding several reservations limiting its scope. The treaty bars interrogators from inflicting "severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental" and prohibits transfer of prisoners to other countries that may practice torture. "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever may be invoked as a justification of torture," the treaty says in a provision that the U.N. Committee Against Torture said remained in force even after the Sept. 11 attacks. "The standard for any type of interrogation of somebody in American custody is to be humane and to follow all international laws and accords dealing with this type of subject," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Monday. "That is precisely what has been happening and exactly what will happen." But because the treaty has no enforcement mechanism; so, as a practical matter, "you're just limited by your imagination," a U.S. law-enforcement official says. In other words, as long as the pain and suffering aren't "severe," it's permissible to use physical force and to cause "discomfort," as some U.S. interrogators euphemistically put it. Among the techniques: making captives wear black hoods, forcing them to stand in painful "stress positions" for a long time and subjecting them to interrogation sessions lasting as long as 20 hours. U.S. officials overseeing interrogations of captured al Qaeda forces at Bagram and Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba can even authorize "a little bit of smacky-face," a U.S. intelligence official says. "Some al Qaeda just need some extra encouragement," the official says. "There's a reason why [Mr. Mohammed] isn't going to be near a place where he has Miranda rights or the equivalent of them," says the senior federal law-enforcer says. "He won't be someplace like Spain or Germany or France. We're not using this to prosecute him. This is for intelligence. God only knows what they're going to do with him. You go to some other country that'll let us pistol whip this guy. "Initially, interrogators will aim to disorient Mr. Mohammed. "You deprive him of what he's used to and comfortable with," this official says. "You deprive him of his surroundings. You move him. In this instance, you do that geographically, physically and emotionally. You put him someplace he's unfamiliar with. You deprive him of food, water and sleep. You make morning night, and you make hot cold." Authorities are hoping they'll get lucky. "He's a fanatic but he could be a big baby," the official says. U.S. authorities have an additional inducement to make Mr. Mohammed talk, even if he shares the suicidal commitment of the Sept. 11 hijackers: The Americans have access to two of his elementary-school-age children, the top law-enforcement official says. The children were captured in a September raid that netted one of Mr. Mohammed's top comrades, Ramzi Binalshibh. When interrogators finish with Mr. Mohammed, he is likely to face a U.S. military tribunal, but that will probably be years from now. -- Zahid Hussain contributed to this article. Copyright ? 2003 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

03-04-2003, 11:29 PM	#2
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03-04-2003, 11:36 PM	#5
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03-04-2003, 11:37 PM	#6
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03-04-2003, 11:53 PM	#16
Joe Sixpack So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,793	You fools. He'll never talk. These guys WANT TO DIE FOR THEIR CAUSE! Why would he talk, betray everything that means anything to him, and give up his virgins in paradise?

03-05-2003, 12:16 AM	#18
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I think a second or two before you said Giddy Up, he'd start babbling away with the technique the English used. It doesn't really matter what he says. They got the communications equipment and computers and journals. They can trace everyone he's communicated with now. He's a smart guy. Smart guys are easy to break if you know what you're doing. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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