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crockett 01-13-2014 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by clickhappy (Post 19942190)
Not to be a dick but Recycling Plant caught on fire in Redwood City California, just a few miles from San Francisco, the Blue-est place in America.
It was toxic and they told residents not to go outside for a full day, school kids had to stay in the building. All you could smell in the air was chemicals and burned plastic.
shit happens
Was it next to a river and leaked toxic chemicals into water? Were other buildings built so close that the fire spread else where because of lax zoning laws? Sounds to me like a fire is going to have no lasting affects outside of the plant it's self.

Zoning laws don't stop fires or accidents from happening, they just help make sure there are safety precautions in place to lessen the affect of an accident.

crockett 01-13-2014 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 19943301)
wow. the idiot continues.

when you get home from whatever it is you do for a living, read this:
The West Virginia house of delegates has been controlled by the democrats uninterrupted since 1930.

since 1933 there have only been 4 republican governors. the rest were democrats.

since 1933 the state senate has been controlled by democrats.

please just die, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...irginia_Senate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._West_Virginia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Vi...e_of_Delegates
I thought you ran away from here when your scumbag ways were outed?

12clicks 01-13-2014 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19943304)
I thought you ran away from here when your scumbag ways were outed?
I'd change the subject too if I looked as much a fool as you.

I simply don't spend as much time here with the bottom feeders like yourself

Barry-xlovecam 01-13-2014 11:28 AM
The BOCA building code requires a minimum separation between a septic field and a drinking water well.

Sadly, they need to regulate so people won't shit where they eat -- there is a lesson in that ...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 01-13-2014 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19940918)

Nuclear power is one of the safest forms of energy we have. Remembering I slept 30 feet from a reactor.

In the US, no one has died from a problem at a nuclear power plant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_death_t oll
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Power Plants

3 January 1961
The world's first nuclear-related fatalities occurred following a reactor explosion at the National Reactor Testing Station in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Three technicians, were killed, with radioactivity "largely confined" (according to John A. McCone, Director of the Atomic Energy Commission) to the reactor building.

The men were killed as they moved fuel rods in a "routine" preparation for the reactor start-up. One technician was blown to the ceiling of the containment dome and impaled on a control rod. His body remained there until it was taken down six days later. The men were so heavily exposed to radiation that their hands had to be buried separately with other radioactive waste, and their bodies were interred in lead coffins.

Another incident at this station three weeks later (on 25 January) resulted in a release of radiation into the atmosphere. Photos documenting this accident are posted to www.radiationworks.com/photos/sl1reactor1.htm.

24 July 1964
Robert Peabody, 37, died at the United Nuclear Corp. fuel facility in Charlestown, Rhode Island, when liquid uranium he was pouring went critical, starting a reaction that exposed him to a lethal dose of radiation.

19 November 1971
The water storage space at the Northern States Power Company's reactor in Monticello, Minnesota filled to capacity and spilled over, dumping about 50,000 gallons of radioactive waste water into the Mississippi River. Some was taken into the St. Paul water system.

March 1972
Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska submitted to the Congressional Record facts surrounding a routine check in a nuclear power plant which indicated abnormal radioactivity in the building's water system. Radioactivity was confirmed in the plant drinking fountain. Apparently there was an inappropriate cross-connection between a 3,000 gallon radioactive tank and the water system.

27 July 1972
Two workers at the Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia were fatally scalded after a routine valve adjustment led to a steam release in a gap in a vent line. [See also 9 December 1986]

28 May 1974
The Atomic Energy Commission reported that 861 "abnormal events" had occurred in 1973 in the nation's 42 operative nuclear power plants. Twelve involved the release of radioactivity "above permissible levels."

22 March 1975
A technician checking for air leaks with a lighted candle caused $100 million in damage when insulation caught fire at the Browns Ferry reactor in Decatur, Alabama. The fire burned out electrical controls, lowering the cooling water to dangerous levels, before the plant could be shut down.

28 March 1979
A major accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania. At 4:00 a.m. a series of human and mechanical failures nearly triggered a nuclear disaster. By 8:00 a.m., after cooling water was lost and temperatures soared above 5,000 degrees, the top portion of the reactor's 150-ton core melted. Contaminated coolant water escaped into a nearby building, releasing radioactive gasses, leading as many as 200,000 people to flee the region.

Despite claims by the nuclear industry that "no one died at Three Mile Island," a study by Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, professor of radiation physics at the University of Pittsburgh, showed that the accident led to a minimum of 430 infant deaths.

1981
The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that there were 4,060 mishaps and 140 serious events at nuclear power plants in 1981, up from 3,804 mishaps and 104 serious events the previous year.

11 February 1981
An Auxiliary Unit Operator, working his first day on the new job without proper training, inadvertently opened a valve which led to the contamination of eight men by 110,000 gallons of radioactive coolant sprayed into the containment building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah I plant in Tennessee.

July 1981
A flood of low-level radioactive wastewater in the sub-basement at Nine Mile Point's Unit 1 (in New York state) caused approximately 150 55-gallon drums of high-level waste to overturn, some of which released their highly radioactive contents. Some 50,000 gallons of low-level radioactive water were subsequently dumped into Lake Ontario to make room for the cleanup.

The discharge was reported to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, but the sub-basement contamination was not. A report leaked to the press 8 years later resulted in a study which found that high levels of radiation persisted in the still flooded facility.

1982
The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that 84,322 power plant workers were exposed to radiation in 1982, up from 82,183 the previous year.

25 January 1982
A steam generator pipe broke at the Rochester Gas & Electric Company's Ginna plant near Rochester, New York. Fifteen thousand gallons of radioactive coolant spilled onto the plant floor, and small amounts of radioactive steam escaped into the air.

15-16 January 1983
Nearly 208,000 gallons of water with low-level radioactive contamination was accidentally dumped into the Tennesee River at the Browns Ferry power plant.

25 February 1983
A catastrophe at the Salem 1 reactor in New Jersey was averted by just 90 seconds when the plant was shut down manually, following the failure of automatic shutdown systems to act properly.

The same automatic systems had failed to respond in an incident three days before, and other problems plagued this plant as well, such as a 3,000 gallon leak of radioactive water in June 1981 at the Salem 2 reactor, a 23,000 gallon leak of "mildly" radioactive water (which splashed onto 16 workers) in February 1982, and radioactive gas leaks in March 1981 and September 1982 from Salem 1.

9 December 1986
A feedwater pipe ruptured at the Surry Unit 2 facility in Virginia, causing 8 workers to be scalded by a release of hot water and steam. Four of the workers later died from their injuries. In addition, water from the sprinkler systems caused a malfunction of the security system, preventing personnel from entering the facility. This was the second time that an incident at the Surry 2 unit resulted in fatal injuries due to scalding [see also 27 July 1972].

1988
It was reported that there were 2,810 accidents in U.S. commercial nuclear power plants in 1987, down slightly from the 2,836 accidents reported in 1986, according to a report issued by the Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc.

28 May 1993
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission released a warning to the operators of 34 nuclear reactors around the country that the instruments used to measure levels of water in the reactor could give false readings during routine shutdowns and fail to detect important leaks.

The problem was first bought to light by an engineer at Northeast Utilities in Connecticut who had been harassed for raising safety questions. The flawed instruments at boiling-water reactors designed by General Electric utilize pipes which were prone to being blocked by gas bubbles; a failure to detect falling water levels could have resulted, potentially leading to a meltdown.

15 February 2000
New York's Indian Point II power plant vented a small amount of radioactive steam when a an aging steam generator ruptured. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission initially reported that no radioactive material was released, but later changed their report to say that there was a leak, but not of a sufficient amount to threaten public safety.

6 March 2002
Workers discovered a foot-long cavity eaten into the reactor vessel head at the Davis-Besse nuclear plant in Ohio. Borated water had corroded the metal to a 3/16 inch stainless steel liner which held back over 80,000 gallons of highly pressurized radioactive water.

November 2005
High tritium levels, the result of leaking pipes, were discovered to have contaminated groundwater immediately adjacent to the Braidwood Generating Station in Braceville, Illinois.

7 January 2010
Officials at the Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power station in Vernon, Vermont notified the Vermont Department of Health that samples taken from a monitoring well in November 2009 contained radioactive tritium at levels 37 times the federal limit.

May 2011
The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission commenced meetings to discuss problems at a nuclear reactor in Braidwood, Illinois. Findings included the release of six million gallons of water containing radioactive tritium into the local aquifer, improper wiring of an alarm system intended to warn plant workers of problems, and a flaw in the plant's backup water supply.

June 2011
An AP investigation revealed that three quarters of all nuclear plants in the U.S. were found to be leaking radioactive tritium. Over half the plants studied had concentrations exceeding the federal drinking water standard, and while none had reached public drinking supplies, leaks at three plants had contaminated the drinking wells of nearby homes.

31 January 2012
A crack in a tube at the San Onofre plant in California led to a minor leak of radioactive steam. Approximately 8.7% of the tubes in a replacement steam generator experienced damage due to a design flaw. The plant was permanently shuttered the following year.
http://www.chemistryland.com/CHM151S...renGraphic.jpg

We are an earthquake/natural disaster/terrorist attack away from a Fukushima here... :warning

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 01-13-2014 09:24 PM
http://www.bradblog.com/Images/Fukus...eck_031211.jpg

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Could Fukushima Happen in the U.S.?

Fukushima should have been a wake-up call to U.S. citizens, especially to millions of Americans who live in the 'impact zone' of the same kind of 'Mark 1' reactors that were so flawed that they relatively easily melted down in Japan.

The 23 Mark 1's in the U.S. haven't been fixed. A prolonged power outage and failure of backup generators could result in a meltdown - just like in Japan - and permanent evacuation and destruction of regional farms, schools, towns and cities would happen as fast as 12-24 hours after the accident's onset.

But we didn't need Fukushima to know that U.S.-built reactors are flawed and dangerously operating. Warnings issued in the 1980s about these faulty designs of Generic Electric-made reactors were ignored and the only other company that built reactors in the U.S. was Westinghouse, which also built unsafe nuclear plants.

Court documents that surfaced during decades of litigation against the nuclear plant developer revealed (before Fukushima) that Westinghouse reactors (built across the U.S. and world) have had chronic problems that were linked to the company's faulty designs, defective parts and improper reactor installation.

A 1982 report by the group Critical Mass Energy warned that defective steam generator components being used in the construction of 16 U.S. nuclear power plants in the early 1980s would put those reactors at risk - or prohibit operation if run at more than 50% capacity. Some of these reactors are still operating.

But even U.S. reactors that were built with non-defective parts and according to correct, safer designs are in danger. In the book The Enemy Within, Jay Gould wrote that "Corrosion may be an unanticipated problem in curtailing the operational lifetimes of all nuclear reactors and may some day be seen as one of the great technological blunders of the twentieth century."

U.S. reactors are suffering from aging 'steam generators.' The steam generator is a very large reactor component comprised of thousands and thousands of brittle pipes that create the steam that is made to spin a nuclear power plant's turbines. Corrosion-induced holes and leaks at the steam generator that account for a daily loss of cups or liters of coolant at U.S. reactors are not getting smaller. These pipes have been known to burst and force a reactor to shut-down.

A 2011 article titled 'Flaw Found in Safety Mechanism at Limerick Nuclear Plant' mentioned that nuclear reactor and component maker GE Hitachi warned the NRC in late 2010 that a safety mechanism it made that is in many nuclear plants might not work during an earthquake. GE Hitachi said its mechanism that inserts the control rods could fail to work during an earthquake.

The NRC has not fixed the problem in U.S. reactors and an earthquake in combination with a steam generator crisis could easily cause a meltdown. (If you run out of coolant in your radiator, your engine faces a massive overheat. In a reactor, that's called a meltdown.)

Other corrosive issues endemic to many U.S. reactor plants like 'reactor embrittlement' or the weakening of the vessel encapsulating the reactor, and fuel rod corrosion, which can lead uranium pellet-filled tubes to burst open and release radioactivity, also could be a contributing factor to a meltdown.

A nuclear meltdown actually isn't the worst thing that could happen at a nuclear power plant in the U.S. Every U.S. reactor houses spent fuel 'pools' which don't need to be located near fault lines and seashores to pose a danger.

All reactors and their spent fuel pools in the U.S. are vulnerable to terrorist attack, sabotage, and catastrophic weather and other events.

In 2011, overwhelmed earthen dams along the swollen and flooding Missouri River that luckily held and a diesel gas bucket-brigade during an outside power loss incident spared the melt-down of the riverside Ft. Calhoun power plant in Nebraska.

The plant's cosmetic super-barrier was no match for a strong river current let alone a collapsing dam-induced tsunami which would have undoubtedly created one or more Fukushima-like meltdowns and spent fuel fires on the farm-lined Missouri River - the disaster could have turned cities along the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers into ghost-towns.

These spent fuel inventories are ticking time bombs. A tragic spent fuel accident whereby water in the fuel pool drops, or starts boiling, could firstly lead to the cladding catching on fire. This will release the gaseous isotopes stored in the gaps between the fuel rods and the cladding.

After the cladding catches on fire, the solid radioactive particles in the fuel rods that are vaporizing (turning from solid to gas) will also escape. This is called fuel vaporization. According to the book 'Biocatastrophe and the Collapse of Global Consumer Society,' by Ephraim Tinkham, the global ramifications from airborne contamination from fuel vaporization would be disastrous:

"Nuclear vaporization of an operational nuclear reactor and its spent fuel pool has the potential to release 50 to 100 times the biologically significant radioactivity released by the Chernobyl accident, resulting in contamination of a large portion of the world's food producing ecosystems." [p.89]

During a reactor accident, nearly all of the leaked radioactive gas will end up settling in low-lying areas or river valleys downwind. Sometimes these areas 'downwind' can be 5 or 100 miles away from a reactor.

Winds, weather fronts and other weather conditions can move the pockets of low-lying radioactive air both near and far.

What's so dangerous about pockets of radioactive gases? A scientist named Dr. Henry Kendell, a co-founder of the Union of Concerned Scientists, once remarked in testimony that based on figures from the then U.S. Atomic Energy Commission 'if twenty percent of the radioactive gas from a 650 million watt plant were to escape and be blown away by a 6.5 mile per hour wind, it could form a cloud that would have lethal effects over an area 2 miles wide and 7.5 miles long.'

It CAN happen here. While our pro-nuclear government has a vested interest in keeping reactors running and suppressing these worrying concerns, and the utilities interested in not doling out money for repairs and shut-downs are playing along, we are sitting ducks. It's time we wake up and make sure we're not next.
http://img.rt.com/files/news/fukushi...reuters.si.jpg

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BFT3K 01-13-2014 10:53 PM
Water-Poisoning Freedom Industries Executive Is Two-Time Convicted Felon

Over 120 people have visited the hospital following a spill of MCHM, a chemical used in the coal industry. The substance, which leaked from a tank at a Freedom Industries facility, has caused the water in nine West Virginia counties to be unfit for consumption — or anything but “flushing,” according to officials. Governor Earl Ray Tomblin has declared a state of emergency in the area, prompting residents to empty stores of water.

The company’s president, Gary Southern, made it very clear the day of the spill that as an almighty job creator he has no interest in the effect the company has had on the peasantry. His sentiments were echoed by the CEO’s girlfriend, who feels that the spill has not harmed a single person – including those who have gone to the hospital. After all, she says that she took a shower and brushed her teeth and is still alive — but has somehow forgotten that no one is claiming the chemical is deadly.

While not unexpected from any company with ties to the Koch brothers (especially one exempt from many EPA regulations), the uncaring nature of those responsible for the suffering of hundreds of thousands of people is disturbing, to say the least. Yet another executive has been revealed to be of questionable character, as well.

One of the founders of Freedom Industries, Carl Lemley Kennedy II, is a two-time convicted felon — but that’s not the only interesting thing surrounding his involvement with the company! Freedom Industries’ web site says the company was founded in 1986, but it was actually founded in 1992, according to filings with the WV Secretary of State.
Kennedy is surrounded by controversy. He filed bankruptcy in 2005 after he was charged with tax evasion and willful failure to pay employee withholding to the government. Between 2000 and 2003, while acting as accountant for Freedom Industries, Poca Blending, and New River Chemical Co, he withheld over $1 million from employee checks that was never paid to the government, and owed more than $200,000 in taxes. He pleaded guilty to both charges in the U.S. District Court in the Southern District of West Virginia, according to the WV Gazette.

“Carl L. Kennedy II took steps to conceal a large portion of his income from the Internal Revenue Service by, among other things, using his position as an accountant to ensure a W2 form was not filed in his name,” the court document reads, “using corporate funds for his personal benefit and writing corporate checks to cash for his personal enrichment.”
Kennedy was sentenced to more than three years in prison, but his sentence was cut almost in half after he made some controlled cocaine buys for police while wearing a wire. What’s this about cocaine, you ask?

This brings us to the “other” felony. In 1987, Kennedy pleaded guilty to selling 10-12 ounces of cocaine. This sale was connected to a scandal that brought down former Charleston Mayor Mike Roark.

Kennedy is currently listed as “incorporator” with the Secretary of State, but Freedom Industries told the WV Gazette on Friday that he “left the company years ago.” However, in 2006 he told a court during bankruptcy proceedings that he owned portions of New River Chemical Co, Poca Blending, and Etowah River Terminal–which coincidentally are the three companies with which Freedom merged just weeks ago. As recently as 2005, Kennedy still owned a five percent stake in Freedom Industries, as well.

With folks like this running the company, we wonder if the people they have harmed will ever be compensated for their suffering.

- See more at: http://aattp.org/water-poisoning-fre....tcyTchz8.dpuf

crockett 01-18-2014 02:27 PM
Whelp.. Looks like just one week after this spill, Freedom Industries has filled bankruptcy.. A company that doesn't even have the financial ability to last a week after a spill was allowed to store chemicals next to a major water way.. Now just think of all the other companies living right there in west Virginia's chemical alley whom are likely just as bad or worse..

Btw the water is still contaminated..

Minte 01-18-2014 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19949430)
Whelp.. Looks like just one week after this spill, Freedom Industries has filled bankruptcy.. A company that doesn't even have the financial ability to last a week after a spill was allowed to store chemicals next to a major water way.. Now just think of all the other companies living right there in west Virginia's chemical alley whom are likely just as bad or worse..

Btw the water is still contaminated..
Why are you sitting here bitching about it and not over there helping with the cleanup?

BFT3K 01-18-2014 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19949447)
Why are you sitting here bitching about it and not over there helping with the cleanup?
Why aren't the companies responsible for this, paying for, and orchestrating the fucking clean up?!

mikesinner 01-18-2014 03:00 PM
Apparently this is having a possible affect on the water where I live.

Minte 01-18-2014 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19949451)
Why aren't the companies responsible for this, paying for, and orchestrating the fucking clean up?!
Did you ask them? They do have a website with a contact page.

BFT3K 01-18-2014 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19949454)
Did you ask them? They do have a website with a contact page.
Yes, I just called the Koch brothers. I actually have a direct line.

They told me to check with Minte on GFY, and then they transferred me to their Corporate Apologist department.

We should all have clean water and air by the end of the week.

Thanks for the advice!

ThunderBalls 01-18-2014 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19949461)
Yes, I just called the Koch brothers. I actually have a direct line.

They told me to check with Minte on GFY, and then they transferred me to their Corporate Apologist department.

We should all have clean water and air by the end of the week.

Thanks for the advice!

:1orglaugh

ThunderBalls 01-18-2014 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19949447)
Why are you sitting here bitching about it and not over there helping with the cleanup?

^^ An individual who clearly becomes agitated when corporate wrongs are exposed.

Minte 01-18-2014 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19949461)
Yes, I just called the Koch brothers. I actually have a direct line.

They told me to check with Minte on GFY, and then they transferred me to their Corporate Apologist department.

We should all have clean water and air by the end of the week.

Thanks for the advice!
http://www.freedom-industries.com/contact.html
Try that...tell them what you think. I am sure they are interested in your solution.

BFT3K 01-18-2014 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19949486)
http://www.freedom-industries.com/contact.html
Try that...tell them what you think. I am sure they are interested in your solution.
I called them. They told me corporations are people, except when they don't want to be criminally charged.

Then they told me they had a plan.

Here's their fucking plan...

Freedom Industries, Company Behind West Virginia Chemical Spill, Files For Bankruptcy

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4619385.html

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Here's another link, in case the first one's too liberal for you...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-virginia.html

2MuchMark 01-18-2014 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19940665)
I don't get it... accident happened and you turn it into a political issue? What does red/blue/regulation/non-regulation have to do with anything?
Hi Woj,

It's a political issue because this company is exempt from any EPA laws, something that the republicans have been pushing for and gaining ground on for years.

2MuchMark 01-18-2014 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19940914)
Since the year 1933, West Virginia has had a Democrat governor for 64 of 80 years. They currently have a Democrat governor and have since 2005.

But hey now, let's turn this into a Republicans are evil thread anyway.
Just because a state has a democratic governor doesn't mean republicans don't have influence.

crockett 01-18-2014 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19949451)
Why aren't the companies responsible for this, paying for, and orchestrating the fucking clean up?!
They are too busy trying to hide assets and run out of town most likely...

mineistaken 01-18-2014 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19940655)
plenty of "blue states" with nuclear plants in habitated regions.
sshhh, republican haters have this tendency to not pay attention to that. They find something bad and if its republican state they blame it on republicans. If its democrat state they would just say terrible thing happened, but nothing about blue state :1orglaugh

crockett 01-18-2014 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19949507)
Just because a state has a democratic governor doesn't mean republicans don't have influence.
Yea trying to say WV is a blue state because they have had a Democrat governor is about like trying to say MA or NJ are red states because they have or had Republican governors..

Vendzilla 01-18-2014 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 19942205)
Shit happens...and will always happen...REGARDLESS of the number of regulations.

The point of REGULATIONS is REDUCING the odds of shit happening. Regulations helps REDUCE THE ODDS of shit happening. It does not prevent shit from happening, and nobody thinks that.
Sure, but the bi product of over reaching regulations are companies moving to countries that allow them to get a way with it for a lower cost. Hurting the American worker.

Regulations have done more to hurt the environment than you might think.

I agree we need them, but they get out of hand way too much and cause more problems than they protect from!


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