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whOaKemosabe · 01-06-2014, 06:58 PM

fiddy stoned posts

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-07-2014, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

We have the same unit, use the same temps; my impression is it is a waste of weed. I don't get nearly as medicated from the volcano as I do from even the most basic pipe.

The immediate rush from smoking cannabis may be typically stronger (more immediate), however once you quit smoking and switch to vaping, you can enjoy and appreciate the cleaner high that vaping produces (plus your lungs and head should notice the difference).

I consume cannabis on a daily basis, and so for me it's not so much about trying to get couch-lock high and partying, as much as getting my head in a nice place where I can still concentrate, do work, and be productive.

Unlike some folks, I actually do use cannabis for medicinal reasons, and so cannabis is useful to me for pain/stress relief.

BONUS: Cannabis edibles add another dimension to the non-smoking cannabis experience.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

ADG, can you help me sort out vaping for medicinal purposes? from what i've been able to gather, vaping doesn't heat the cannibanoids that are medicinal, the cbd v thc cannibanoids.

i don't know if i'm not understanding it all correctly or what........

any help is appreciated.

I'm not an expert in the science of cannabis, however one of the reasons I vape using a process where I gradually increase the temps in 5 degree increments, is to vaporize the cannabinoids at the right temp to release their active ingredients.

As I understand it, the temp at which CBDs vaporize is lower than that of THC, so it seems to indicate that the process I use (gradually raising the temp), increases the likelihood that you will get a wider range of cannibinoids.

I've read that one reason the immediate rush from smoking (burning) cannabis is greater is due to a result of oxygen deprivation and a host of harmful chemicals rushing into the body at once, and not necessarily from the THC.

When I was younger I was a heavy pot smoker for decades, and I developed a chronic cough. Because of that I quit using cannabis almost completely for another 10 years.

About 3 years ago, I quit drinking alcohol, and I've returned to using cannabis, primarily by vaping and edibles instead of smoking this time around, and I feel much healthier than I have in many years.

I know that when cooking brownies, I generally have to bake the brownies longer at a lower temperature than the recipe may calls for in order to avoid destroying the THC (I generally cook cannabis under 325 degrees).

A Pot Smoker's Guide to Saving Your Lungs: http://www.vape-nation.com/vaporize-marijuana-guide/

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Even Willie Nelson vapes now:

?I?ve changed my habits a little bit. I?ve smoked so much and I got congestion from it, wheezing in the night and coughing. So I switched over to a vaporizer. You don?t get any smoke, and you don?t get any heat. And for a singer, or someone?s lungs, it?s much, much healthier. There?s pot in the vaporizer, but when you puff it in, you?re getting vapors, but not heat and not smoke. I think it?s even stronger, too.?

ADG

dyna mo · 01-07-2014, 06:36 AM

thanks for the reply ADG.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-07-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

thanks for the reply ADG.

No prob. I'm not trying to come off as any type of expert. As with everything, I say do your own research (links provided).

Saw this on one of the cannabis forums:

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Some friends of mine got together and bought a vaporizer. They have smoked off of it for a week, and the reaction towards it has varied from "I hate it, it doesnt get me high" to "Wow... this is the highest I've ever been in my life." So they got together to talk about their experiences with using a vaporizer and have come up with a few observations.

The things that they found to be true should be similar for any high-end vaporizer. I would recommend against using any vaporizer that costs less than 300 dollars, namely because these vaporizers often use substitute parts that can be hazardous to your health, such as plastics that release toxic fumes, and often have little control of temperature, sometimes releasing tars in the process.

- Weed will seem to last up to four times as long. You can buy a gram or a gram and a half and get a whole group of people high. None of my friends were ever able to successfully finish a full bowl off of the volcano to themselves, they simply got too high to keep going. It's funny to see a group of people slowly just shake their head when a bag off of a volcano vaporizer is passed to them, refusing to let themselves get more stoned.

- Vaporized weed tastes GREAT! Stems and seeds turn into schwag, schwag turns into KB, KB turns into chronic, and chronic... well, there is no name for the way it tastes whenever you vaporize it.

- Vaporized weed smells very little. The smell is there, and noticeable, for all of 2 minutes.

- The vaporizer high is VERY different from the smoking high. The vaporizer high seems to ignore couch lock and allows you to function, albeit it will still leave you stoned and happy, possibly more stoned and happy than you've ever been. Its a very energetic brain-buzz.

- The vaporizer high DURATION seems to be shorter than the smoking high duration. This may be because smoking is done over a longer period of time, but people complain about not being able to get high for as long as they can on a joint or a blunt.

- Cigarette smokers seem to crave cigarettes VERY heavily after smoking out of the volcano. We are not sure why this is.

If you have some comments on my friends' observations, please go ahead and let them out. Feel free to also add your own friends' observations.

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The high from a vaporizer is mostly THC. This is the quality to which SWIM attributes the "clear, clean" high from a volcano, unlike when normally smoking, which adds in many other cannabinoids which, though fun, can cause mild sedation/laziness

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There are a few reasons for lost THC in combustion-based ingestion, one of which is in fact the destruction of THC via pyrolysis which yield up to 100 different chemicals. A major portion lost, especially in joints is due to slipstream smoke. For glass, adhesion is a primary loss factor.

Some numbers*
Efficiency of:

Unfiltered joint:
1/13 Cannabanoid/Tar
~20% THC in sample
Single Percolation Waterpipe or Bong:
1/16.9 C/T
Small waterpipe ~25%, Bong ~15% of THC in sample
Filtered joint:
1/16.9 C/T
~20% of sample
Hotplate Vaporizer:
1/9.75 C/T
~10% of sample
Modern Hot Air Vaporizer:
~9/1 C/T
~60% of THC in sample

Notable difference between vaporizer and combustion-based methods: Due to prolonged exposure and reduced pyrolysis, THC oxidizes to CBN and CBD at a much higher than usual rate, resulting in a less psychoactive smoke, with more physically stimulating components. Thus, more of a "stoney" inebriation results from a vaporizer.

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CBN (Cannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidol) are the oxidized analogues of THC. They are non-psychoactive as in have no impact on neurological functions but rather stimulate physical receptors as opposed to psychologically active receptors. This does not mean that the smoke is less inebriating, but that the intoxication is physical rather than psychological.

CBN and CBD ingestion results in physical analgesia and pleasure, as well as other physical stimulations commonly associated with a 'stoney' high as opposed to a 'giddy' high. These analogues are also employed in pain-management based medicinal marijuana.

Simply put, there will be less giggles, and more 'chill-time'. This degradation is not only a process caused by heat and heat-based decarboxylization (as well as decarb. in the stomach), but also a natural trait of production that varies between strains.

Indica dominant strains (Kushs) have higher CBN and CBD contents, while Sativa dominant strains have higher THC v. CBN/CBD contents. Kafiristanica, or "diesel" strains have an even higher THC content with a remarkably low CBN/CBD component, resulting in an almost entirely psychoactive intoxication with little to no physical action.

I'm happy that smarter people than myself developed a better healthier process for enjoying the positive effects of cannabis consumption.

As the stigma and legal ramifications of using cannabis are reduced, I believe that society will find the positive impact of legalization outweighs the negative impacts.

Additionally, I hope that a day will come that politicians do not use cannabis simply as a tax vehicle, and stop taxing the hell out of cannabis (as they are currently doing). If for no other reason, I think that the tax issues may spur people on to start growing their own cannabis (it's really pretty easy, and is quite economical once you have a plan for growing and harvesting throughout the year). For now, taxes are at least making many politicians more amenable to legalization.

ADG

stickyfingerz · 01-07-2014, 11:23 AM

ADG at least we have Cannabis as a movement in common.

dyna mo · 01-07-2014, 11:33 AM

I hear ya ADG, I dug around some more going at it from another angle, finally came up with some infos.

the issue I am trying to handle is discussed at

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0227184647.htm

this article states that the cannibanoids I need for that are vaporized at ~325f
discussed at

http://www.vaporresearch.com/2011/01...a-thc-and.html

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-07-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

ADG at least we have Cannabis as a movement in common.

Common ground is good...

So what have you been up to? Are you in adult anymore or are you still focusing on trying to make it as a country singer/songwriter? (I saw that StickyBoxBucks is no more)

ADG

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-07-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

I hear ya ADG, I dug around some more going at it from another angle, finally came up with some infos.

the issue I am trying to handle is discussed at

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0227184647.htm

this article states that the cannibanoids I need for that are vaporized at ~325f
discussed at

http://www.vaporresearch.com/2011/01...a-thc-and.html

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Vaporization is a technique for avoiding irritating respiratory toxins in marijuana smoke by heating cannabis to a temperature where the psychoactive ingredients evaporate without causing combustion.

Laboratory studies by California NORML and MAPS have found that vaporizers can efficiently deliver cannabinoids while eliminating or drastically reducing other smoke toxins.

Like tobacco, marijuana smoke contains toxins that are known to be hazardous to the respiratory system. Among them are the highly carcinogenic polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, a prime suspect in cigarette-related cancers.

These toxins are essentially a byproduct of combustion, separate from the pharmaceutically active components of marijuana, known as cannabinoids, which include THC.

Although there is no proof that marijuana smoking causes cancer, chronic pot smokers have been shown to suffer an elevated risk of bronchitis and respiratory infections. Respiratory disease due to smoking may therefore rightly be regarded as the primary physiological hazard of marijuana.

Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature of 180 - 200° C (356° - 392° F), just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced.

At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke. Many medical marijuana patients who find smoked marijuana highly irritating report effective relief inhaling through vaporizers.

Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers. Alternative devices, such as waterpipes, have been shown to be ineffective at reducing the tars in marijuana smoke

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December 2013 - Spurred by growing reports of the medical efficacy of cannabidiol (CBD), the second leading active ingredient in marijuana, patients are increasingly seeking out high-CBD varieties for treatment of conditions ranging from severe epilepsy and multiple sclerosis to anxiety and cancer pain.

CBD has long been overshadowed by delta-9-THC (tetrahydrocannabinol), the primary active ingredient in marijuana, because unlike THC, it does not produce a psychoactive ?high.? CBD has nonetheless long been known to have useful anti-spasmodic, anti-epileptic, anti-anxiety, and anti-psychotic properties.

Although CBD lacks noticeable effects when taken alone, it has a calming, sedative effect when combined with THC, cutting down on the anxiety, paranoia, and memory impairment that many users find unpleasant or debilitating with regular marijuana. CBD-rich strains accordingly have particular appeal to older users and medical patients who are uncomfortable with the THC high.

Public interest in CBD was aroused by a recent CNN report on medical marijuana by Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Previously a skeptic on medical marijuana, Dr. Gupta admitted to having been ?brainwashed? by government propaganda.

Gupta featured the story of a 5-year-old girl, Charlotte Figi, who suffered continual epileptic seizures from a rare disease known as Dravet?s syndrome. Conventional treatment having failed, Charlotte?s condition dramatically improved after she was treated orally with an extract of CBD-rich cannabis.

More CBD info from the California NORML website: http://www.canorml.org/cbd.html

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Why · 01-07-2014, 04:41 PM

the biggest issue is finding banks that allow you to make deposits or transact any kind of banking really. not sure how colorado is, but washington has been a nightmare for many people looking to setup shop.

dyna mo · 01-07-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

More CBD info from the California NORML website: http://www.canorml.org/cbd.html

ADG

thanks for the infos, starting to get it sorted out and I think I may be moving forward on a vape contraption in 2014.

and i like that snajay gupta dude, never paid much attention to him before.

seeandsee · 01-07-2014, 05:38 PM

fucking banks dont want marijuana money, yeah right

stickyfingerz · 01-07-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Common ground is good...

So what have you been up to? Are you in adult anymore or are you still focusing on trying to make it as a country singer/songwriter? (I saw that StickyBoxBucks is no more)

ADG

Actually having some success in the songwriting game finally. Moving end of this month or possibly early part of March to Colorado. I developed Graves disease over the last 4 years or so. Cannabis completely fixes the issue and I have some good ties into the Cannabis industry out there. I've been a Cannabis advocate loudly and outspokenly for the last 3 or 4 years now as well. Doing more mainstream these days. Little adult here and there. I may shoot some content again once I get moved out there and situated. I learned over the years thanks to Gfy to keep my biz stuff to myself. ;) But ya doing well and about to start a new adventure.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-07-2014, 06:48 PM

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Actually having some success in the songwriting game finally. Moving end of this month or possibly early part of March to Colorado. I developed Graves disease over the last 4 years or so. Cannabis completely fixes the issue and I have some good ties into the Cannabis industry out there.

I've been a Cannabis advocate loudly and outspokenly for the last 3 or 4 years now as well. Doing more mainstream these days. Little adult here and there. I may shoot some content again once I get moved out there and situated. I learned over the years thanks to Gfy to keep my biz stuff to myself. ;) But ya doing well and about to start a new adventure.

Sorry to hear about your Graves disease diagnosis. I also have autoimmune issues, and cannabis certainly helps me with the symptoms.

From what I've read, cannabis can treat Graves' symptoms, but is not known to actually be a cure for the disease:

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Graves' disease symptoms:

The onset of Graves' disease symptoms is often insidious: the intensity of symptoms can increase gradually for a long time before the patient is correctly diagnosed with Graves? disease, which may take months or years.

Traditional treatment: (1) anti-thyroid medication (2) radioactive iodine, which kills the overactive thyroid, cells (3) removal of thyroid gland surgically.

Marijuana is used to treat some of the symptoms of Graves? disease not the disease itself!

The patient needs to see an endocrinologist for a positive diagnosis.

Symptoms that can be treated with medical marijuana are:

reduce eye pressure
reduce anxiety
relieve insomnia
reduce irritability
encourage appetite/weight gain
relieve restlessness / nervousness
slow or relax heart rate

Recommendations: Sativa strains for daytime and Indica strains for late afternoon and evening. Alternatively, a 50 percent sativa:50 percent indica for all day.

ADG

stickyfingerz · 01-07-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Sorry to hear about your Graves disease diagnosis. I also have autoimmune issues, and cannabis certainly helps me with the symptoms.

From what I've read, cannabis can treat Graves' symptoms, but is not known to actually be a cure for the disease:

ADG

Last study on it was in 1984.

I wouldn't say it is a cure since if I stop using cannabis all the symptoms come back in about 3 days. What I believe it does however is that it somehow allows the thyroid to properly regulate the thyroxine. There is no masking the feeling I get when I start to feel the over production of it. When I'm medicated I don't feel it at all. It is on the list for most medical states to be approved for.

Everyone has slightly different symptoms with Graves as well. My worst thing is trembling and shaking hands. It is so bad I thought I had Parkinsons for about 3 months before I found out what it is. My grandmother has it as well but she chose to have hers radiated out. Not for me no way. lol I was breaking a few glasses a week my hands were so bad. On top of that it ramps up anxiety like to a stupid amount. Then of course insomnia as well. Then when I go more than like 4 days without it my skin starts to feel wind burnt like I'd rolled around in the snow naked for 20 minutes and came in a hot house.

Just totally makes me a wreck and my health starts to spiral. The insomnia and stress from anxiety also makes me have no appetite. So I get almost a wasting syndrome going on. With cannabis I'm right at my weight I should be, I can still play guitar and piano, and I don't shake or tremble even a small amount. Been awhile now since I got like that as I make sure I don't run out anymore. Can't wait to get out to CO and start my indoor garden and be out there all legal like. Phew.

Anywho I've been talking to a few people that are trying to get some interest in new studies for Graves and hopefully with all that is going on it will get some interest soon as Government grants are allowed. There is no stopping it all now though. This is an amazing interesting time for Cannabis that is for sure.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-07-2014, 09:16 PM

Pretty messed up disease - good luck...

Perhaps you can volunteer for a study (get treatment and help science while getting free cannabis).

I honestly never thought I would see the day when cannabis would be legalized in any State, so I am quite heartened about the changes to laws in many States, and now I feel it may only be a matter of time until cannabis is made legal nationally, especially as the States which have already legalized start realizing some of the benefits of legal cannabis, and the fears that some had will prove to be unfounded.

ADG

Joshua G · 01-07-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I honestly never thought I would see the day when cannabis would be legalized in any State, so I am quite heartened about the changes to laws in many States, and now I feel it may only be a matter of time until cannabis is made legal nationally, especially as the States which have already legalized start realizing some of the benefits of legal cannabis, and the fears that some had will prove to be unfounded.

ADG

Red states going legal? maybe in a 100 years. Thats how long it took them to get over slavery.

stickyfingerz · 01-07-2014, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

Red states going legal? maybe in a 100 years. Thats how long it took them to get over slavery.

Haha you are completely wrong dude. We are looking at 5 years or less 50 state legal. I don't think people understand exactly how fast this is going to start moving.

We are going to see about 12 full legal states in 2 to 3 years from now. Once we get to 12 you'll see within 2 years every state rushing to not be the last state to be considered the most backwards.. For example I believe Utah was the last to drop its local prohibition against alcohol. No one wants to be Utah this time around.

There is an open HUGE revenue stream now available for any state that wants it. Now that the Feds are mostly leaving CO and WA alone it is game on. Expect to see an amazing change in opinions of politicians in states that are polling high for Cannabis legalization. Watch and see. Worldwide legalization or at least majority in 10 or less.

There really is no stopping it now. I haven't been able to go to the City council meeting for the areas in CO I'm looking at moving to, but I have watched the web broadcast for most. This is going to move really... really fast. Even states like GA and AL have Bills in the works. No stopping it now.

stickyfingerz · 01-07-2014, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Pretty messed up disease - good luck...

Perhaps you can volunteer for a study (get treatment and help science while getting free cannabis).

ADG

Ya my symptoms aren't nearly as bad as hers. I had a friend when I was a senior who's brother had it like that with the bulging eyes. With cannabis you'd never know I had any medical issues.

Though it could get worse for sure someday, but I'm not too worried about it. I'll be growing out there and will be eligible for 12 plants. 6 for medical and 6 recreational. I know what I'm doing there so will be nice to be out there legally growing and maintaining my own supply. Limited in non legal states on availability of strains. Lot here but I need to really have a morning strain, afternoon strain, and nighttime strain. lol

I'll also be juicing and putting myself on a regiment of cannabis oil daily. I have a fairly strong belief that Cannabis should of always been part of our dietary makeup Anyone that studies our endocannabinoid system in our bodies and how cannabis works with that like a key in a lock should start to see some very interesting things.

Too bad Franck isn't around anymore to bitch about that fuckin "miracle plant". muahaha. ;)

Joshua G · 01-08-2014, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Haha you are completely wrong dude. We are looking at 5 years or less 50 state legal.

So 48 other states will clamor for pot cash, just because colorado is. Those red states, who are still fighting the abortion wars, are gonna see the money & just go 180 degrees on a federal schedule 1 narcotic.

Maybe those red states will legalize casinos & hookers too, cause hey, look at the money.

WA & CO only passed their laws via the initiative process, not through their politicians, cause their politicians would never pass such a thing.

& neither will red states, & neither will The US congress. Be happy that 1 state is legal & the Feds are letting it happen. That is enough of a miracle.

stickyfingerz · 01-08-2014, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

So 48 other states will clamor for pot cash, just because colorado is. Those red states, who are still fighting the abortion wars, are gonna see the money & just go 180 degrees on a federal schedule 1 narcotic.

Maybe those red states will legalize casinos & hookers too, cause hey, look at the money.

WA & CO only passed their laws via the initiative process, not through their politicians, cause their politicians would never pass such a thing.

& neither will red states, & neither will The US congress. Be happy that 1 state is legal & the Feds are letting it happen. That is enough of a miracle.

haha dude I've been a Cannabis advocate for 4 or 5 years now. I'm as on top of this as most anyone. Trust me there are already bills pending. You are going to see a WHOLE lot of politicians saying how they are pro cannabis legalization. 5 years or less.

Vermont is likely the next legal state. NY 2 days ago started pushing to get their medical program up and running as well. 12 states in 2 to 3 years and after that it will be a flurry of states rushing.

If you were on top of the daily feed of news coming through you'd think differently.

There are 14 or 15 with bills already pending for adult legalization.

http://www.mpp.org/legislation/marij...orm-bills.html

dyna mo · 01-08-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

WA & CO only passed their laws via the initiative process, not through their politicians, cause their politicians would never pass such a thing.

this is exactly how the system is designed- government of the people by the people for the people.

ballot initiative

A process of a participatory democracy that empowers the people to propose legislation and to enact or reject the laws at the polls independent of the lawmaking power of the governing body.

The purpose of an initiative, which is a type of election commenced and carried out by the people, is to permit the electorate to resolve questions where their elected representatives fail to do so or refuse to proceed with a change that the public desires.

potter · 01-08-2014, 08:21 AM

Colorado has had legal pot now for a long time (MMJ). There are dispensaries everywhere, on my way in to work downtown I pass three on a 2 mile stretch after getting off the highway before getting to the office. Recreational is really no different than MMJ, it's just going to take some time for places to finish going through all the hoops of a retail license. There were only 20 or so retail shops that were able to sell on Jan 1, and they're reporting they made $1,000,000 in sales on the first day between them. It is definitely going to be a huge industry.

I was finally able to get into a store and buy some on Saturday. I swung by places wed-fri but every single one had massive lines and I didn't want to wait. I don't even smoke but just wanted to go buy some to be apart of it and experience it. Saturday I was downtown for the Avalanche game and there was a big snow storm - so after the game we walked over to a shop that was pretty close to see if there was a line (and there wasn't). It was actually a disappointment from what I had been expecting. I had been imagining walking into a room with glass shelves everywhere and weed all over the place, with people behind the counter that were going to give me all sorts of ridiculous details about each strain they had. However the places have been so overrun with people the experience was far different.

Basically we walked into a room and had to go stand in line at one desk on the right side of the room. This was the ID check line, and the girl there was checking IDs and giving a ticket to those who were valid. From there you could relax in the room or go wait in the other line, which was a line into the "weed room". Once into the weed room there were just two lines going towards the back of the room, first you got into the right line which went to the weed table. At the weed table they had about 12 big glass jars each with their own strain in them - you told one of the people at this table which strains you wanted and how much. Those people started to package up what you asked for and told you to head back to the other line. The other line was the purchase line, and once you got to the front of it they had your purchase ready and took your money. We bought an 8th of "Purple Trainwreck" for $60 - which is very expensive. We picked that one cause it was literally bluish-purple compared to all the other stuff. Because there are so few retail shops open right now they know they can get away with the high prices - specially because there are people like me just buying it for the novelty of it. Once more places open up and there is more supply to meet demand the prices will subside to what they were with MMJ and you'll be able to get better deals than on the street.

I've seen pictures of MMJ dispensaries and was absolutely excited to have a "New Amsterdam" type of experience, however this was not that. It could have simply been the place I ended up going to, but it also had a lot to do with the fact that the few places that actually have a retail license have been utterly swarmed with customers. Again, I don't even smoke but I think it's really cool what our state is doing - it's a huge progressive step forward in civil liberties - something we rarely get to see from our government. And the amount of revenue this is going to bring in will just be astounding.

Joshua G · 01-08-2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

haha dude I've been a Cannabis advocate for 4 or 5 years now. I'm as on top of this as most anyone. Trust me there are already bills pending. You are going to see a WHOLE lot of politicians saying how they are pro cannabis legalization. 5 years or less.

Vermont is likely the next legal state. NY 2 days ago started pushing to get their medical program up and running as well. 12 states in 2 to 3 years and after that it will be a flurry of states rushing.

If you were on top of the daily feed of news coming through you'd think differently.

There are 14 or 15 with bills already pending for adult legalization.

http://www.mpp.org/legislation/marij...orm-bills.html

Yes. but pending bills does not equal passed laws. & i'm not saying blue states wont legalize someday soon.

I am saying instead, that red states are ass backwards. they wont extend medicaid to their own poor people, on principle. They love guns & cops, & i dont see them changing course until Congress changes the status of THC on the federal level.

I think my hundred years prediction on red america is more likely than those states legalizing in 5 years.

just IMO.

Joshua G · 01-08-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

this is exactly how the system is designed- government of the people by the people for the people.

yep. however only 24 states of the union have the initiative process. So 26 states will require their politicians to support legalization. & we all know how receptive politicians are to the public (AKA the cop lobby will have more pull than public opinion - pot is unlikely to be a leading issue in elections anyway)

The only way i see national legalization is thru Congress legalizing. Keep in mind whats happening is completely illegal under federalism. Should the laws of CO or WA actually be opposed by another president, the justice dept can ask the federal courts to issue an opinion on whether federal law or state law prevails on marijuana. guess what would happen.

Joshua G · 01-08-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

It is definitely going to be a huge industry.

i believe there is no question as to the size of the industry related to demand. in addition to the 10s of billions per year going legit, legalization will also add new customers to the mix.

but the supply side looks like it could limit the size of growth. Think about the number of regs wholesale growers have to abide. Think about the massive tax rates the public has to pay. seems to me the black market still has competitive advantages in the market relative to these 2 matters, even in the long run.

then there is the matter of banks not allowing marijuana business (for now,) large pools of cash are very attractive targets for cartels & mafias to send out goons & grab that cash from law abiding entrepreneurs.

stickyfingerz · 01-08-2014, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

Yes. but pending bills does not equal passed laws. & i'm not saying blue states wont legalize someday soon.

I am saying instead, that red states are ass backwards. they wont extend medicaid to their own poor people, on principle. They love guns & cops, & i dont see them changing course until Congress changes the status of THC on the federal level.

I think my hundred years prediction on red america is more likely than those states legalizing in 5 years.

just IMO.

Haha you'll see shortly. People are itchy to join the rest of the country. There is billions and billions of dollars at stake here and the longer they wait they less they make. Watch you'll see. ;)

stickyfingerz · 01-08-2014, 01:15 PM

Oh and the pressure to reschedule it below a 1 is about to get ridiculous high over the next 16 months as well. ;)

Joshua G · 01-08-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Oh and the pressure to reschedule it below a 1 is about to get ridiculous high over the next 16 months as well. ;)

from who? i would think the law enforcement lobby has a lot more pull in congress than NORML. There are a lot of cop jobs & a lot of public employee cash at stake in the drug laws. Those union jobs pay union dues, & guess what unions do with that money? shovel it to politicians to preserve their power.

Cops & DAs & the whole public sector infrastructure that prospers from drug law enforcement is not going away without a huge fight.

i admire your enthusiasms but i dont think legalization will move very fast, nor do i think it will be smooth sailing in Colorado. The supply issue is real & is going to be a problem.

mineistaken · 01-08-2014, 07:37 PM

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Colorado just lost 85 million a year worth income due to their idiotic new gun laws. I wonder if the money generated by marijuana sales will make up for it?

In one hand, they are saying "Federal laws aren't strong enough to protect our citizens."

In the other hand they say "Federal laws are too strict so we're going to ignore them and sell drugs."

Hypocrites.

stickyfingerz · 01-08-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

from who? i would think the law enforcement lobby has a lot more pull in congress than NORML. There are a lot of cop jobs & a lot of public employee cash at stake in the drug laws. Those union jobs pay union dues, & guess what unions do with that money? shovel it to politicians to preserve their power.

Cops & DAs & the whole public sector infrastructure that prospers from drug law enforcement is not going away without a huge fight.

i admire your enthusiasms but i dont think legalization will move very fast, nor do i think it will be smooth sailing in Colorado. The supply issue is real & is going to be a problem.

Bam... like dominos they are dropping..

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has loosened up on medical marijuana. An executive order on Wednesday by Cuomo, a longtime opponent of legalizing pot for medicinal purposes, is set to legalize medical marijuana."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/sharei...#axzz2pqbrwcdb

mineistaken · 01-08-2014, 08:17 PM

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Bam... like dominos they are dropping..

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has loosened up on medical marijuana. An executive order on Wednesday by Cuomo, a longtime opponent of legalizing pot for medicinal purposes, is set to legalize medical marijuana."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/sharei...#axzz2pqbrwcdb

Congrats to potheads in NY.

SuckOnThis · 01-08-2014, 08:35 PM

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Congrats to potheads in NY.

Congrats to the girls who lay your alcoholic ass down in bars.....

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Never. Well once I got face slapped by a female at the cub when I was not behaving sober

DTK · 01-08-2014, 08:44 PM

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At least he had the stones to admit he was hoaxed.

LeeD · 01-08-2014, 08:46 PM

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Once we get to 12 you'll see within 2 years every state rushing to not be the last state to be considered the most backwards..

There are many people in the southeast that have no problem being seen as backwards.

dyna mo · 01-08-2014, 08:49 PM

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yep. however only 24 states of the union have the initiative process. So 26 states will require their politicians to support legalization. & we all know how receptive politicians are to the public (AKA the cop lobby will have more pull than public opinion - pot is unlikely to be a leading issue in elections anyway)

The only way i see national legalization is thru Congress legalizing. Keep in mind whats happening is completely illegal under federalism. Should the laws of CO or WA actually be opposed by another president, the justice dept can ask the federal courts to issue an opinion on whether federal law or state law prevails on marijuana. guess what would happen.

valid points.

mineistaken · 01-08-2014, 09:14 PM

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Congrats to the girls who lay your alcoholic ass down in bars.....

Congrats to your ass for calling a person who never in his life drank alcohol 2 days in a row alcoholic and congrats for calling a semi friendly face slap "laying your ass down".
I guess pot smoking really works on your brain

Oh, and you got everything else that you invented about me (for example me not stepping a foot on US soil) wrong as well. What a definition of a complete moron you are

Joshua G · 01-08-2014, 09:38 PM

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valid points.

we agree a lot more often then not. just we dont dialogue unless there is division.

off topic, but do you have an opinion on intermittent fasting? I was thinking of trying the 16 hour fast as proposed by leangains.com. just curious as i know you have a lot of thoughts on nutrition...

stickyfingerz · 01-08-2014, 10:50 PM

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There are many people in the southeast that have no problem being seen as backwards.

Lol sorry this is going to come all down to money sitting on the table for every state. This is going to go down like a hole in a dam. The hole is already too big to stop now and bigger the hole gets faster it will start going.

Unless you spend 3 or 4 hours a day studying and reading everything that is going on with the Cannabis movement you might miss out on what is happening.

dyna mo · 01-09-2014, 03:13 AM

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we agree a lot more often then not. just we dont dialogue unless there is division.

off topic, but do you have an opinion on intermittent fasting? I was thinking of trying the 16 hour fast as proposed by leangains.com. just curious as i know you have a lot of thoughts on nutrition...

i started if ~3 years ago and haven't looked back. it's fantastic and very easy. it's my natural way of approaching meal planning now. I haven't checked martin's site in ages, but I clicked through your link and noticed his last update was *the letter* something that pissed a lot of us off. Not sure what happened to him after that. gotta sift through a lot of cheesecake stories there but the essence of if is in there.

SuckOnThis · 01-09-2014, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken

Congrats to your ass for calling a person who never in his life drank alcohol 2 days in a row alcoholic and congrats for calling a semi friendly face slap "laying your ass down".
I guess pot smoking really works on your brain

Oh, and you got everything else that you invented about me (for example me not stepping a foot on US soil) wrong as well. What a definition of a complete moron you are

Does your step mom know you're on the computer today and stealing her vodka? Careful, she might give ya a good ass whooping too.

ThunderBalls · 01-09-2014, 10:50 AM

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If this guy spoke with a thick Syrian accent and was 70 years younger I would swear it was this mineistaken character.

mineistaken · 01-09-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Does your step mom know you're on the computer today and stealing her vodka? Careful, she might give ya a good ass whooping too.

Thanks for one more invention - I have a step mom

I have respect for you for one thing, you have a thick skin and don't mind repeatedly exposing yourself as a fool

mineistaken · 01-09-2014, 11:49 AM

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If this guy spoke with a thick Syrian accent and was 70 years younger I would swear it was this mineistaken character.

Hmm, lets think:

I am not favorable to weed, he seems like he does not mind that.
I am not a naive person to believe onion news types of stories, he is.

Completely wrong again

Not to mention that he is probably younger than 70 years

_Richard_ · 01-09-2014, 11:50 AM

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ADG

ThunderBalls · 01-09-2014, 11:57 AM

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Thanks for one more invention - I have a step mom

I have respect for you for one thing, you have a thick skin and don't mind repeatedly exposing yourself as a fool

He should know better, no divorce in Syria means no step moms.

mineistaken · 01-09-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

He should know better, no divorce in Syria means no step moms.

One more invented thing about me - I am a camel jockey

Continue your fool show, its always fun

izombie · 01-09-2014, 04:59 PM

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www.growflorida.com
www.chroniccasino.com

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01-08-2014, 08:21 AM	#72
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	Colorado has had legal pot now for a long time (MMJ). There are dispensaries everywhere, on my way in to work downtown I pass three on a 2 mile stretch after getting off the highway before getting to the office. Recreational is really no different than MMJ, it's just going to take some time for places to finish going through all the hoops of a retail license. There were only 20 or so retail shops that were able to sell on Jan 1, and they're reporting they made $1,000,000 in sales on the first day between them. It is definitely going to be a huge industry. I was finally able to get into a store and buy some on Saturday. I swung by places wed-fri but every single one had massive lines and I didn't want to wait. I don't even smoke but just wanted to go buy some to be apart of it and experience it. Saturday I was downtown for the Avalanche game and there was a big snow storm - so after the game we walked over to a shop that was pretty close to see if there was a line (and there wasn't). It was actually a disappointment from what I had been expecting. I had been imagining walking into a room with glass shelves everywhere and weed all over the place, with people behind the counter that were going to give me all sorts of ridiculous details about each strain they had. However the places have been so overrun with people the experience was far different. Basically we walked into a room and had to go stand in line at one desk on the right side of the room. This was the ID check line, and the girl there was checking IDs and giving a ticket to those who were valid. From there you could relax in the room or go wait in the other line, which was a line into the "weed room". Once into the weed room there were just two lines going towards the back of the room, first you got into the right line which went to the weed table. At the weed table they had about 12 big glass jars each with their own strain in them - you told one of the people at this table which strains you wanted and how much. Those people started to package up what you asked for and told you to head back to the other line. The other line was the purchase line, and once you got to the front of it they had your purchase ready and took your money. We bought an 8th of "Purple Trainwreck" for $60 - which is very expensive. We picked that one cause it was literally bluish-purple compared to all the other stuff. Because there are so few retail shops open right now they know they can get away with the high prices - specially because there are people like me just buying it for the novelty of it. Once more places open up and there is more supply to meet demand the prices will subside to what they were with MMJ and you'll be able to get better deals than on the street. I've seen pictures of MMJ dispensaries and was absolutely excited to have a "New Amsterdam" type of experience, however this was not that. It could have simply been the place I ended up going to, but it also had a lot to do with the fact that the few places that actually have a retail license have been utterly swarmed with customers. Again, I don't even smoke but I think it's really cool what our state is doing - it's a huge progressive step forward in civil liberties - something we rarely get to see from our government. And the amount of revenue this is going to bring in will just be astounding. __________________

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whOaKemosabe So Fucking Stoned... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,968	fiddy stoned posts

01-07-2014, 06:36 AM	#53
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,015	thanks for the reply ADG.

01-07-2014, 11:23 AM	#55
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	ADG at least we have Cannabis as a movement in common.

01-07-2014, 11:33 AM	#56
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,015	I hear ya ADG, I dug around some more going at it from another angle, finally came up with some infos. the issue I am trying to handle is discussed at http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0227184647.htm this article states that the cannibanoids I need for that are vaporized at ~325f discussed at http://www.vaporresearch.com/2011/01...a-thc-and.html

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Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	the biggest issue is finding banks that allow you to make deposits or transact any kind of banking really. not sure how colorado is, but washington has been a nightmare for many people looking to setup shop.

01-08-2014, 01:15 PM	#77
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Oh and the pressure to reschedule it below a 1 is about to get ridiculous high over the next 16 months as well. ;)

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izombie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 346	I have a pretty good domain name and running a medical marijuana blog and hope I can turn it into some a good biz or sell when weed finally becomes legal in Florida, I also have another domain name that would be great for someone living in Nevada which has become more weed friendly. www.growflorida.com www.chroniccasino.com