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  • KaliC
    Sexy Beast
    • Jan 2005
    • 617

    #46
    Originally posted by JoshGirls Josh
    is there really about to be a massive gold rush in colorado?

    I think people will no wallmart out for weed, I think they will prefer to get it from people they trust. So there is a goldmine but for the locals that have already been working the industry.
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    • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
      Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
      • Jul 2004
      • 38323

      #47
      Originally posted by baddog

      What temp do you vape at?
      There are several theories. From my extensive trial and error experience using an accurate vaporizer, I came up with the following process...

      I start at 350°F, and increase by 5°F as each bag is filled, until the temp reaches 380°F. I usually get at least 8 bags from a full bowl of cannabis (about the same amount of herb as you would put into a rolled joint).

      The reason for the gradual temperature rise is due to the different vaporization points of different cannabinoids, so this way you can get a wider range of cannabinoids.

      Additionally (and a great extra benefit of vaporizing), you can save up your leftover vape material (which is not burned), and use it to create cannabutter or cannaoil, for making cannabis edibles (brownies, etc).

      I use one of the most precise (and expensive) heating systems, the Storz-Bickel Volcano, which retails for around $600:



      http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporize...on-system.html

      The best vaporizer temperature for marijuana/thc vaporization is approximately 365°F (185°C), but is better thought of as a range between 355°-385°F (180°-195°C). The quality of your herbs and the type of vaporizer you're using have a big effect on what temp setting you should use.
      As you increase the vaporization temperature past certain thresholds the various terpenoids found in cannabis are released. This is why your vapor will taste different when vaped at 350° than it does at 385°. My recommendation is to experiment yourself to find what temps suit you best. Start out low and slowly increase the temperature until you reach your desired level of strength and flavor.
      The Volcano Vaporizer (my personal fave) is best set at about 6 on the dial, or roughly 374°F (190°C). When you factor in the temp flux of the heating element (+/- 9°F) your actual vape temps will be between 365°-383°F (185°-195°C) as it cycles on and off. The digital model is slightly more precise with a flux of only 2.7°F. Lately I've been experimenting with increasing the temperature past 6 after the first balloon, but it's all personal preference so see what works best for you.


      I know some people who set their vaporizer to 420°, however at that temperature you will burn the cannabis causing toxins to be released (plus you are wasting good cannabis).



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      • dyna mo
        just a fucking jerk
        • Dec 2008
        • 68184

        #48
        ADG, can you help me sort out vaping for medicinal purposes? from what i've been able to gather, vaping doesn't heat the cannibanoids that are medicinal, the cbd v thc cannibanoids.

        i don't know if i'm not understanding it all correctly or what........

        any help is appreciated.

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        • Penny24Seven
          So Fucking What
          • Jun 2007
          • 6287

          #49
          Originally posted by dyna mo
          not in my significant experience, weed by the gram was not $6/g.

          top shelf weed prices, for quite a long while have been

          $15/g
          $50 1/8th
          $160 1/2

          $300 full ounce

          that receipt shows the price is only ~$63 higher + tax
          This is what the prices are in Florida for the best stuff. Of course if you know someone you can get it cheaper
          Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

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          • baddog
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2001
            • 107089

            #50
            Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
            There are several theories. From my extensive trial and error experience using an accurate vaporizer, I came up with the following process...

            I start at 350°F, and increase by 5°F as each bag is filled, until the temp reaches 380°F. I usually get at least 8 bags from a full bowl of cannabis (about the same amount of herb as you would put into a rolled joint).

            . . .

            I use one of the most precise (and expensive) heating systems, the Storz-Bickel Volcano, which retails for around $600:
            We have the same unit, use the same temps; my impression is it is a waste of weed. I don't get nearly as medicated from the volcano as I do from even the most basic pipe.

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            • whOaKemosabe
              So Fucking Stoned...
              • Aug 2013
              • 1968

              #51
              fiddy stoned posts

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              • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                • Jul 2004
                • 38323

                #52
                Originally posted by baddog

                We have the same unit, use the same temps; my impression is it is a waste of weed. I don't get nearly as medicated from the volcano as I do from even the most basic pipe.
                The immediate rush from smoking cannabis may be typically stronger (more immediate), however once you quit smoking and switch to vaping, you can enjoy and appreciate the cleaner high that vaping produces (plus your lungs and head should notice the difference).

                I consume cannabis on a daily basis, and so for me it's not so much about trying to get couch-lock high and partying, as much as getting my head in a nice place where I can still concentrate, do work, and be productive.

                Unlike some folks, I actually do use cannabis for medicinal reasons, and so cannabis is useful to me for pain/stress relief.

                BONUS: Cannabis edibles add another dimension to the non-smoking cannabis experience.

                Originally posted by dyna mo

                ADG, can you help me sort out vaping for medicinal purposes? from what i've been able to gather, vaping doesn't heat the cannibanoids that are medicinal, the cbd v thc cannibanoids.

                i don't know if i'm not understanding it all correctly or what........

                any help is appreciated.

                I'm not an expert in the science of cannabis, however one of the reasons I vape using a process where I gradually increase the temps in 5 degree increments, is to vaporize the cannabinoids at the right temp to release their active ingredients.



                As I understand it, the temp at which CBDs vaporize is lower than that of THC, so it seems to indicate that the process I use (gradually raising the temp), increases the likelihood that you will get a wider range of cannibinoids.

                I've read that one reason the immediate rush from smoking (burning) cannabis is greater is due to a result of oxygen deprivation and a host of harmful chemicals rushing into the body at once, and not necessarily from the THC.

                When I was younger I was a heavy pot smoker for decades, and I developed a chronic cough. Because of that I quit using cannabis almost completely for another 10 years.

                About 3 years ago, I quit drinking alcohol, and I've returned to using cannabis, primarily by vaping and edibles instead of smoking this time around, and I feel much healthier than I have in many years.



                I know that when cooking brownies, I generally have to bake the brownies longer at a lower temperature than the recipe may calls for in order to avoid destroying the THC (I generally cook cannabis under 325 degrees).

                A Pot Smoker's Guide to Saving Your Lungs: http://www.vape-nation.com/vaporize-marijuana-guide/



                Even Willie Nelson vapes now:

                ?I?ve changed my habits a little bit. I?ve smoked so much and I got congestion from it, wheezing in the night and coughing. So I switched over to a vaporizer. You don?t get any smoke, and you don?t get any heat. And for a singer, or someone?s lungs, it?s much, much healthier. There?s pot in the vaporizer, but when you puff it in, you?re getting vapors, but not heat and not smoke. I think it?s even stronger, too.?


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                • dyna mo
                  just a fucking jerk
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 68184

                  #53
                  thanks for the reply ADG.

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                  • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                    Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 38323

                    #54
                    Originally posted by dyna mo

                    thanks for the reply ADG.
                    No prob. I'm not trying to come off as any type of expert. As with everything, I say do your own research (links provided).



                    Saw this on one of the cannabis forums:

                    Some friends of mine got together and bought a vaporizer. They have smoked off of it for a week, and the reaction towards it has varied from "I hate it, it doesnt get me high" to "Wow... this is the highest I've ever been in my life." So they got together to talk about their experiences with using a vaporizer and have come up with a few observations.

                    The things that they found to be true should be similar for any high-end vaporizer. I would recommend against using any vaporizer that costs less than 300 dollars, namely because these vaporizers often use substitute parts that can be hazardous to your health, such as plastics that release toxic fumes, and often have little control of temperature, sometimes releasing tars in the process.

                    - Weed will seem to last up to four times as long. You can buy a gram or a gram and a half and get a whole group of people high. None of my friends were ever able to successfully finish a full bowl off of the volcano to themselves, they simply got too high to keep going. It's funny to see a group of people slowly just shake their head when a bag off of a volcano vaporizer is passed to them, refusing to let themselves get more stoned.

                    - Vaporized weed tastes GREAT! Stems and seeds turn into schwag, schwag turns into KB, KB turns into chronic, and chronic... well, there is no name for the way it tastes whenever you vaporize it.

                    - Vaporized weed smells very little. The smell is there, and noticeable, for all of 2 minutes.

                    - The vaporizer high is VERY different from the smoking high. The vaporizer high seems to ignore couch lock and allows you to function, albeit it will still leave you stoned and happy, possibly more stoned and happy than you've ever been. Its a very energetic brain-buzz.

                    - The vaporizer high DURATION seems to be shorter than the smoking high duration. This may be because smoking is done over a longer period of time, but people complain about not being able to get high for as long as they can on a joint or a blunt.

                    - Cigarette smokers seem to crave cigarettes VERY heavily after smoking out of the volcano. We are not sure why this is.

                    If you have some comments on my friends' observations, please go ahead and let them out. Feel free to also add your own friends' observations.
                    The high from a vaporizer is mostly THC. This is the quality to which SWIM attributes the "clear, clean" high from a volcano, unlike when normally smoking, which adds in many other cannabinoids which, though fun, can cause mild sedation/laziness
                    There are a few reasons for lost THC in combustion-based ingestion, one of which is in fact the destruction of THC via pyrolysis which yield up to 100 different chemicals. A major portion lost, especially in joints is due to slipstream smoke. For glass, adhesion is a primary loss factor.

                    Some numbers*
                    Efficiency of:

                    Unfiltered joint:
                    1/13 Cannabanoid/Tar
                    ~20% THC in sample
                    Single Percolation Waterpipe or Bong:
                    1/16.9 C/T
                    Small waterpipe ~25%, Bong ~15% of THC in sample
                    Filtered joint:
                    1/16.9 C/T
                    ~20% of sample
                    Hotplate Vaporizer:
                    1/9.75 C/T
                    ~10% of sample
                    Modern Hot Air Vaporizer:
                    ~9/1 C/T
                    ~60% of THC in sample


                    Notable difference between vaporizer and combustion-based methods: Due to prolonged exposure and reduced pyrolysis, THC oxidizes to CBN and CBD at a much higher than usual rate, resulting in a less psychoactive smoke, with more physically stimulating components. Thus, more of a "stoney" inebriation results from a vaporizer.
                    CBN (Cannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidol) are the oxidized analogues of THC. They are non-psychoactive as in have no impact on neurological functions but rather stimulate physical receptors as opposed to psychologically active receptors. This does not mean that the smoke is less inebriating, but that the intoxication is physical rather than psychological.

                    CBN and CBD ingestion results in physical analgesia and pleasure, as well as other physical stimulations commonly associated with a 'stoney' high as opposed to a 'giddy' high. These analogues are also employed in pain-management based medicinal marijuana.

                    Simply put, there will be less giggles, and more 'chill-time'. This degradation is not only a process caused by heat and heat-based decarboxylization (as well as decarb. in the stomach), but also a natural trait of production that varies between strains.

                    Indica dominant strains (Kushs) have higher CBN and CBD contents, while Sativa dominant strains have higher THC v. CBN/CBD contents. Kafiristanica, or "diesel" strains have an even higher THC content with a remarkably low CBN/CBD component, resulting in an almost entirely psychoactive intoxication with little to no physical action.
                    I'm happy that smarter people than myself developed a better healthier process for enjoying the positive effects of cannabis consumption.

                    As the stigma and legal ramifications of using cannabis are reduced, I believe that society will find the positive impact of legalization outweighs the negative impacts.



                    Additionally, I hope that a day will come that politicians do not use cannabis simply as a tax vehicle, and stop taxing the hell out of cannabis (as they are currently doing). If for no other reason, I think that the tax issues may spur people on to start growing their own cannabis (it's really pretty easy, and is quite economical once you have a plan for growing and harvesting throughout the year). For now, taxes are at least making many politicians more amenable to legalization.



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                    • stickyfingerz
                      Doin fine
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 24984

                      #55
                      ADG at least we have Cannabis as a movement in common.

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                      • dyna mo
                        just a fucking jerk
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 68184

                        #56
                        I hear ya ADG, I dug around some more going at it from another angle, finally came up with some infos.

                        the issue I am trying to handle is discussed at

                        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0227184647.htm

                        this article states that the cannibanoids I need for that are vaporized at ~325f
                        discussed at

                        http://www.vaporresearch.com/2011/01...a-thc-and.html

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                        • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                          Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 38323

                          #57
                          Originally posted by stickyfingerz

                          ADG at least we have Cannabis as a movement in common.
                          Common ground is good...

                          So what have you been up to? Are you in adult anymore or are you still focusing on trying to make it as a country singer/songwriter? (I saw that StickyBoxBucks is no more)





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                          • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                            Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 38323

                            #58
                            Originally posted by dyna mo

                            I hear ya ADG, I dug around some more going at it from another angle, finally came up with some infos.

                            the issue I am trying to handle is discussed at

                            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0227184647.htm

                            this article states that the cannibanoids I need for that are vaporized at ~325f
                            discussed at

                            http://www.vaporresearch.com/2011/01...a-thc-and.html


                            Vaporization is a technique for avoiding irritating respiratory toxins in marijuana smoke by heating cannabis to a temperature where the psychoactive ingredients evaporate without causing combustion.

                            Laboratory studies by California NORML and MAPS have found that vaporizers can efficiently deliver cannabinoids while eliminating or drastically reducing other smoke toxins.

                            Like tobacco, marijuana smoke contains toxins that are known to be hazardous to the respiratory system. Among them are the highly carcinogenic polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, a prime suspect in cigarette-related cancers.

                            These toxins are essentially a byproduct of combustion, separate from the pharmaceutically active components of marijuana, known as cannabinoids, which include THC.

                            Although there is no proof that marijuana smoking causes cancer, chronic pot smokers have been shown to suffer an elevated risk of bronchitis and respiratory infections. Respiratory disease due to smoking may therefore rightly be regarded as the primary physiological hazard of marijuana.

                            Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature of 180 - 200° C (356° - 392° F), just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced.

                            At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke. Many medical marijuana patients who find smoked marijuana highly irritating report effective relief inhaling through vaporizers.

                            Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers. Alternative devices, such as waterpipes, have been shown to be ineffective at reducing the tars in marijuana smoke


                            December 2013 - Spurred by growing reports of the medical efficacy of cannabidiol (CBD), the second leading active ingredient in marijuana, patients are increasingly seeking out high-CBD varieties for treatment of conditions ranging from severe epilepsy and multiple sclerosis to anxiety and cancer pain.

                            CBD has long been overshadowed by delta-9-THC (tetrahydrocannabinol), the primary active ingredient in marijuana, because unlike THC, it does not produce a psychoactive ?high.? CBD has nonetheless long been known to have useful anti-spasmodic, anti-epileptic, anti-anxiety, and anti-psychotic properties.

                            Although CBD lacks noticeable effects when taken alone, it has a calming, sedative effect when combined with THC, cutting down on the anxiety, paranoia, and memory impairment that many users find unpleasant or debilitating with regular marijuana. CBD-rich strains accordingly have particular appeal to older users and medical patients who are uncomfortable with the THC high.

                            Public interest in CBD was aroused by a recent CNN report on medical marijuana by Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Previously a skeptic on medical marijuana, Dr. Gupta admitted to having been ?brainwashed? by government propaganda.

                            Gupta featured the story of a 5-year-old girl, Charlotte Figi, who suffered continual epileptic seizures from a rare disease known as Dravet?s syndrome. Conventional treatment having failed, Charlotte?s condition dramatically improved after she was treated orally with an extract of CBD-rich cannabis.
                            More CBD info from the California NORML website: http://www.canorml.org/cbd.html



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                            • Why
                              MFBA
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 7230

                              #59
                              the biggest issue is finding banks that allow you to make deposits or transact any kind of banking really. not sure how colorado is, but washington has been a nightmare for many people looking to setup shop.

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                              • dyna mo
                                just a fucking jerk
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 68184

                                #60
                                Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude








                                More CBD info from the California NORML website: http://www.canorml.org/cbd.html



                                ADG

                                thanks for the infos, starting to get it sorted out and I think I may be moving forward on a vape contraption in 2014.

                                and i like that snajay gupta dude, never paid much attention to him before.

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