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atom · 12-19-2013, 02:10 PM

So, unfortunately we are losing our developer who has been with us almost 7 years.

This whole situation sucks on quite a few levels. Loss off friend, valuable employee, etc etc.

I was told by a few people that they have had good success with programmers on Elance for Nats, PHP, Elevated x etc etc. Just wondering if anyone on here has used Elance, if so how was your experience? Want to recommend that person?

I am not looking to hire someone through this thread, more interested in people's personal experience before I invest a bunch of time into it.

Elance would be a temporary solution while we find someone to hire here in Minneapolis.

Any input is appreciated!

edgeprod · 12-19-2013, 03:32 PM

Almost all of the software products in adult are written by people with amateur-level skill-sets. Some of the most famous ones aren't even object-oriented.

The trivial skill-sets required to extend these applications can absolutely be outsourced.

Building from scratch, however, is not recommended with outsourcing. You're better off paying a competent programmer to lay the groundwork, and then direct the outsourcers as the project grows .. or you'll pay a LOT more in the long run than you save in the short run.

Hope that helps!

Mutt · 12-19-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Almost all of the software products in adult are written by people with amateur-level skill-sets. Some of the most famous ones aren't even object-oriented.

The trivial skill-sets required to extend these applications can absolutely be outsourced.

Building from scratch, however, is not recommended with outsourcing. You're better off paying a competent programmer to lay the groundwork, and then direct the outsourcers as the project grows .. or you'll pay a LOT more in the long run than you save in the short run.

Hope that helps!

Do you have any sites we can see that you coded? Not trying to put you on the spot - you post a lot of good info about programmers but I have no idea what projects you've coded in adult.

atom · 12-19-2013, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Almost all of the software products in adult are written by people with amateur-level skill-sets. Some of the most famous ones aren't even object-oriented.

The trivial skill-sets required to extend these applications can absolutely be outsourced.

Building from scratch, however, is not recommended with outsourcing. You're better off paying a competent programmer to lay the groundwork, and then direct the outsourcers as the project grows .. or you'll pay a LOT more in the long run than you save in the short run.

Hope that helps!

That helps a lot, I appreciate you taking the time to respond!

edgeprod · 12-19-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Do you have any sites we can see that you coded? Not trying to put you on the spot - you post a lot of good info about programmers but I have no idea what projects you've coded in adult.

Currently, I am the VP of Engineering for LeadWrench. I write the code to extend the existing platform, as well develop the other avenues of business.

Previously, I coded Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone, Playboy's RSS morphing feeds (before anyone else had morphing feeds), and have done work for the following companies, among others: SexKey, GigaCash, Xbiz, Sex.com, PimpRoll, Pride Bucks/Pride Studios, MobBucks, SatanCash.

I'm best known, however, for my contributions to Python, the programming language Google was written in. I was the Vice President of Business Development for the critical transition from the restrictive CNRI license to the much more open one we developed at BeOpen (while releasing Python 2.0 and Python Labs). Quote from the press release (I'm Dom):

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"PyBiz products are setting a new standard for advanced Internet-centric applications around distributed content and personalized web solutions," noted Domenic Merenda, Vice President of Business Development at BeOpen.com. "Together with our PythonLabs Professional Services, PyBiz will be able to provide its web products to major corporations who use Python, which today include firms such as Yahoo!, Red Hat, Ultraseek (now Inktomi), Microsoft Network eShop, Google and Loudcloud."

edgeprod · 12-19-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by atom

That helps a lot, I appreciate you taking the time to respond!

Sure, happy to help. I have considered writing a guide on how to hire programmers in the adult industry, if that's something that has a demand.

livexxx · 12-19-2013, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Currently, I am the VP of Engineering for LeadWrench. I write the code to extend the existing platform, as well develop the other avenues of business.

Previously, I coded Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone, Playboy's RSS morphing feeds (before anyone else had morphing feeds), and have done work for the following companies, among others: SexKey, GigaCash, Xbiz, Sex.com, PimpRoll, Pride Bucks/Pride Studios, MobBucks, SatanCash.

I'm best known, however, for my contributions to Python, the programming language Google was written in. I was the Vice President of Business Development for the critical transition from the restrictive CNRI license to the much more open one we developed at BeOpen (while releasing Python 2.0 and Python Labs). Quote from the press release (I'm Dom):

+1 answer, +5 agree

BigFurry · 12-19-2013, 07:43 PM

Google, coded in Python? haha

edgeprod · 12-19-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

Google, coded in Python? haha

Correct. Although it was called "Backrub" at the time. Now it's not Python, obviously. Does it surprise you? Python is an excellent prototyping and glue language -- that's part of why it was selected.

atom · 12-19-2013, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod

Correct. Although it was called "Backrub" at the time. Now it's not Python, obviously. Does it surprise you? Python is an excellent prototyping and glue language -- that's part of why it was selected.

I had a wicked mailer that was coded in Python back in the day. A developer I worked with back then swore by it.

edgeprod · 12-19-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by atom

I had a wicked mailer that was coded in Python back in the day. A developer I worked with back then swore by it.

We released MailMan to the general public. Barry (one of the coders on the core Python team) wrote it.

ls101 · 12-19-2013, 11:19 PM

Really love to learn coding! I even enrolled with some universities here and I'm loving it!

lancehart · 12-20-2013, 09:41 AM

I could talk for hours about elance. I spent 18 months trying to build a semi complicated porn network and cms with dev guys from elance. Eventually the mission was accomplished, but while I saved money in hourly dev spend, I lost my sanity many times

Why · 12-20-2013, 11:56 AM

i think elance and odesk are combining here soon.

i think hiring from those places is just like hiring from anywhere else, you never really know what you are getting until you get it and use it. typically you get what you pay for, however dealing with certain cultural differences can create problems(ie; countries where IP theft isnt frowned upon and hard to prosecute, for instance). all of the Indians and Pakistanis i have worked with seemed to take forever, the Ukrainians/Romanians always build backdoors into everything, and both seem to steal source code. However all nationalities take off more then they can chew and disappear half way through projects. Likewise you could hire someone to come into your office and get the exact same results mentioned above.

12-19-2013, 02:10 PM	#1
atom Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,739	Elance Programmers? Good or Bad? So, unfortunately we are losing our developer who has been with us almost 7 years. This whole situation sucks on quite a few levels. Loss off friend, valuable employee, etc etc. I was told by a few people that they have had good success with programmers on Elance for Nats, PHP, Elevated x etc etc. Just wondering if anyone on here has used Elance, if so how was your experience? Want to recommend that person? I am not looking to hire someone through this thread, more interested in people's personal experience before I invest a bunch of time into it. Elance would be a temporary solution while we find someone to hire here in Minneapolis. Any input is appreciated! __________________ Adult is dead.... Want to push a mainstream product that works? Hit me up at adam @ Natures86 dot com

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lancehart Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: tampa Posts: 26	I could talk for hours about elance. I spent 18 months trying to build a semi complicated porn network and cms with dev guys from elance. Eventually the mission was accomplished, but while I saved money in hourly dev spend, I lost my sanity many times __________________ Porn Model since 2009, Porn Producer since 2011 www.sweetfemdom.com www.manupbitches.com www.cumonyogapants.com

12-19-2013, 03:32 PM	#2
edgeprod Permanently Gone Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,019	Almost all of the software products in adult are written by people with amateur-level skill-sets. Some of the most famous ones aren't even object-oriented. The trivial skill-sets required to extend these applications can absolutely be outsourced. Building from scratch, however, is not recommended with outsourcing. You're better off paying a competent programmer to lay the groundwork, and then direct the outsourcers as the project grows .. or you'll pay a LOT more in the long run than you save in the short run. Hope that helps!

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BigFurry Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,557	Google, coded in Python? haha

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ls101 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 713	Really love to learn coding! I even enrolled with some universities here and I'm loving it!

12-20-2013, 11:56 AM	#14
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	i think elance and odesk are combining here soon. i think hiring from those places is just like hiring from anywhere else, you never really know what you are getting until you get it and use it. typically you get what you pay for, however dealing with certain cultural differences can create problems(ie; countries where IP theft isnt frowned upon and hard to prosecute, for instance). all of the Indians and Pakistanis i have worked with seemed to take forever, the Ukrainians/Romanians always build backdoors into everything, and both seem to steal source code. However all nationalities take off more then they can chew and disappear half way through projects. Likewise you could hire someone to come into your office and get the exact same results mentioned above.